Prospect Info: #8OA, Marco Kasper

[Gniwder]

Want me to find you posts where I said we f***ed up trading away our pick and should have drafted Chychrun who turned out to be the much better player? And told everyone on here that said Chychrun was already maxed out physically and Cholo had more upside that they were dead wrong?

Cause there was a bunch of that.

I wasn't picking on you, I linked the page and you were at the top. There were a lot of people that were overly optimistic on Cholo. The same ones that are always overly optimistic, and start flaming people when you say anything negative about a player. At least you started questioning his defensive skills early and mentioned his gap control issue.

 

[izlez]

His draft thread died before he made the team, but there's this gem:

Cholowski's Ceiling

I think Cholowski ends up a good all-around player, but his play in the offensive zone looks much better than the play in his own end at this point to me. He needs to get better at gapping up bigger/faster players. Not sure I see the IQ in his own end shining through just yet. I think he is...

forums.hfboards.com

lol... I knew I was higher than most on Cholowski and for way too long (I'm still not totally giving up hope, dammit) so I checked that thread to see what my opinions were. My only post in there was bitching about the concept of "ceilings". I guess some things never change

 

[Frk It]

I wasn't picking on you, I linked the page and you were at the top. There were a lot of people that were overly optimistic on Cholo. The same ones that are always overly optimistic, and start flaming people when you say anything negative about a player. At least you started questioning his defensive skills early and mentioned his gap control issue.

Lol you’re fine, I just had a lot of coffee his morning and was responding to annoying client emails so I was in that type of mood.

 

[Gniwder]

lol... I knew I was higher than most on Cholowski and for way too long (I'm still not totally giving up hope, dammit) so I checked that thread to see what my opinions were. My only post in there was bitching about the concept of "ceilings". I guess some things never change

Look at the Brady Cleveland thread and the Cholo thread, lol. Some of the same people.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

So that Marco Kasper kid is looking realgud, eh?

 

[norrisnick]

So that Marco Kasper kid is looking realgud, eh?

Who?

 

[newfy]

So I was watching a lot of Kasper film today. Free time for once on a Saturday and this is what I am doing...

I know we have a complicated relationship with the player and some media treatment at his height probably will make some unhappy. But his game reminds me a ton of young Toews, heavy game with his feet always moving if his offense keeps coming. Really developed game down low for someone so young. I think he is a tick better skater, but that also kind of matches the generational difference and Toews would have the better rating hands wise. But there are chunks of the game I think you can see.

Regardless of media treatment, no one should complain about a young player being compared to Toews. I personally dont see that comparison that much but itshard to make a comparison because a lot of them wont account for him being a rat and physical.

Like you see some play similaries to Toews, but Toews doesnt mix it up nearly as much. Not a lot of skilled guys do though os its tough. I still see Zetterberg a lot when he plays

 

[Retire91]

For where he was drafted I think maybe one season in development is okay but I would expect him to earn a regular spot by the following season. Assuming no injuries.

Edit: to clarify I don't mean he needs to hit the roster to prove anything. Development has a lot of exceptions and outliers. It's just on the whole when someone is heading for an top line or even elite level of talent they are normally sink or swim kind of players that can overcome adversity like developing directly in the NHL. Things like not being physically ready and maturity stuff aside.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

So I was watching a lot of Kasper film today. Free time for once on a Saturday and this is what I am doing...

I know we have a complicated relationship with the player and some media treatment at his height probably will make some unhappy. But his game reminds me a ton of young Toews, heavy game with his feet always moving if his offense keeps coming. Really developed game down low for someone so young. I think he is a tick better skater, but that also kind of matches the generational difference and Toews would have the better rating hands wise. But there are chunks of the game I think you can see.

I think that might be his absolute peak. Kasper does the small things that go unappreciated so damn well. He was tops on his team in Corsi/fenwick and (if memory serves) top 3 in xGF. I rarely saw his line get hemmed in due to Kasper's work down low and how well he facilitated the breakout. He'd come away with the lion's share of wins in 50/50 battles. And I know @Frk It will say only bitches rag the puck in the D zone in 'chel, but Kasper did that often and forced the other team to back off their forecheck.

Kasper has very good hands and it was a bit frustrating for me when watching Rogle last season when he'd make a move, beat a guy clean or even when on his knees after getting knocked down, then dish to a teammate that couldn't put the puck in the ocean from a pier. I hope we see him being rewarded with more assists for his playmaking in Grand Rapids. Having Mazur, Soderblom and some AHL vets down there should help there.

His shot power and release are really the only major concerns I have about his game moving up a level. That could be the difference between him being a guy that flirts with 20 goals a season or a guy that regularly flirts with 30. We saw a major improvement in Larkin's shot in his 4th season so I think it's completely within the realm of possibilities.

 

[Retire91]

then dish to a teammate that couldn't put the puck in the ocean from a pier

 

[Gniwder]

His shot power and release are really the only major concerns I have about his game moving up a level.

Copp V2.0

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I wish I was kidding. Kasper should have had 15 more assists this year. Easily. It's like Rogle hired Boyd Devereaux as their shooting coach.

Copp V2.0

 

[Gniwder]

I wish I was kidding. Kasper should have had 15 more assists this year. Easily. It's like Rogle hired Boyd Devereaux as their shooting coach.

I'm still on the wait list for one, it's a long line nowadays.

 

[Retire91]

I always wondered what it would be like to describe the internet to someone in the 80's like a chalk board where dudes from around the world can write in with their remote pens to add their opinion on the 2020 NHL's 8th overall pick and if in so doing mention something improper are queued up to get punched in the vagina.

 

[Gniwder]

I always wondered what it would be like to describe the internet to someone in the 80's like a chalk board where dudes from around the world can write in with their remote pens to add their opinion on the 2020 NHL's 8th overall pick and if in so doing mention something improper are queued up to get punched in the vagina.

There were online bulletin boards in the 80's, it involved dial up modems so there were very few overseas members. It would cost you quite a bit of money back then to threaten to punch someone's vagina from "around the world". I don't think it would be that big of a stretch for people back then to imagine it though, since there were 800 numbers within the US, just not internationally.

I think the big advance in making computers accessible was the GUI interface, prior to that computers were the domain for nerds. So if you scroll back another decade or two, then you'd have a much more interesting scenario. (FYI, the Mac came out in Jan 1984 while I was in junior high, and contrary to popular belief, the GUI interface was invented by Xerox, not Apple.)

Also the use of email became popular in the 80's. IBM release PROFS in 1981 and Ford used that system for about 2 decades. Email would have been the cheapest method of threatening to punch someone's vagina from around the world.

 

[Retire91]

There were online bulletin boards in the 80's, it involved dial up modems so there were very few overseas members. It would cost you quite a bit of money back then to threaten to punch someone's vagina from "around the world". I don't think it would be that big of a stretch for people back then to imagine it though, since there were 800 numbers within the US, just not internationally.

I think the big advance in making computers accessible was the GUI interface, prior to that computers were the domain for nerds. So if you scroll back another decade or two, then you'd have a much more interesting scenario. (FYI, the Mac came out in Jan 1984 while I was in junior high, and contrary to popular belief, the GUI interface was invented by Xerox, not Apple.)

Also the use of email became popular in the 80's. IBM release PROFS in 1981 and Ford used that system for about 2 decades. Email would have been the cheapest method of threatening to punch someone's vagina from around the world.

haha I did my fair share of s**t posting in the 80's on prodigy dial up.

My parents would pick up the receiver and phone be like skkkkkkkkkkkshshshshwiikakakaerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnttttttttttt

 

[Gniwder]

haha I did my fair share of s**t posting in the 80's on prodigy dial up.

My parents would pick up the receiver and phone be like skkkkkkkkkkkshshshshwiikakakaerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnttttttttttt

And here I was thinking I was giving you a history lesson, lol. You should've said 70's, not 80's.

If anything in that 40 year span since the 80's, nothing has really progressed. I mean "punch you so hard in the vagina"? That's all we can come up with now? Is that progress? I don't think so.

 

[Retire91]

Hahah yeah you are right back in the 70's the web was really just in academic circles, Although it gained some steam with early adopters in 80's I still don't think the great toxic debate we know and love today started until about the 2000's. Even in the 90's it seemed simple watching the viral dancing baby and sneezing panda on a fledgling youtube. It feels like an age of innocence in hindsight. In the 2000's was when I started to notice youtube comments become a textual dumpster fire and social media become something even our parents were on. There is a theory of mob think where a group of people adopts the intelligence of its dumbest member. I think one of the consequences of linking the entire world is now we are all as stupid as the dumbest idiot the world has to offer. That said I am a star trek fan and do believe in an enlightened future, through I look around today and it is challenging to maintain that believe but I do still believe this is a bump we need to get over.

Anyways SORRY, yes I really love this pick, still loving it.

 

[Gniwder]

Hahah yeah you are right back in the 70's the web was really just in academic circles, Although it gained some steam with early adopters in 80's I still don't think the great toxic debate we know and love today started until about the 2000's. Even in the 90's it seemed simple watching the viral dancing baby and sneezing panda on a fledgling youtube. It feels like an age of innocence in hindsight. In the 2000's was when I started to notice youtube comments become a textual dumpster fire and social media become something even our parents were on. There is a theory of mob think where a group of people adopts the intelligence of its dumbest member. I think one of the consequences of linking the entire world is now we are all as stupid as the dumbest idiot the world has to offer. That said I am a star trek fan and do believe in an enlightened future, through I look around today and it is challenging to maintain that believe but I do still believe this is a bump we need to get over.

Anyways SORRY, yes I really love this pick, still loving it.

Before Youtube became popular there were Yahoo, AOL, and other content sites, for example you could create your own groups on Yahoo. The comment section on stocks was a total shitshow. The Yahoo account I created in '96 is still my primary e-mail.

I'm optimistic about Kasper, but he hasn't done anything yet that deserves a lot of hype. He's only 19, and people (not you specifically) want to rush him. A full year in GR will do him some good.

 

[Retire91]

Nah really no need to rush him. Not like we are needing the playoffs or cap management in anyway. We can afford to be conservative. I just think for the potential that is being thrown around he should have a successful season where ever he plays or it would feel pretty concerning.

 

[The Real Pastafarian]

I was actually permanently banished (to be pronounced "banish-shed") from that wretched hive of scum and villainy about 5 or 6 years ago.

Sorry -- I meant this to be a reply to Ogee's question of what I did to get banned -- looks like I replied to myself.

I was guilty of wrong-think.

It was about the time that some wackadoodle neo-nazi group decided to borrow the winged wheel as their own logo -- I think because this group's initials happened to be DRW. The Red Wings held a trademark on the logo, of course, so they told the group to f*ck right off.

Now, I don't want to hijack a Marco Kasper thread and I don't want to be banned here for wrong-think, but I would like to answer your question lest you think the banishment was for something horrible; so for those looking for more Kaspercentric content, or those easily triggered by ideas that don't align with your own, please scroll-on-by. LOOK AWAY.

So there was some discussion of this group on the board, and someone referred to the group as right wing, and I pointed out, with actual quotes and easily verifiable historical evidence, that the National Socialist German Workers' Party was, in fact, Socialist. It's right there in the name. The one-dimensional political spectrum of left, right, and center is not really a valid model, it's a tool used to tar philosophies by placing them next to something odious; the terms "right wing" and "left wing" are meaningless.

That's it. That's what got me banish-shed. And punishing someone for wrong-think while distancing one's own philosophy from fascist totalitarianism is totes not an ironic embarrassment you guys.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Sorry -- I meant this to be a reply to Ogee's question of what I did to get banned -- looks like I replied to myself.

I was guilty of wrong-think.

It was about the time that some wackadoodle neo-nazi group decided to borrow the winged wheel as their own logo -- I think because this group's initials happened to be DRW. The Red Wings held a trademark on the logo, of course, so they told the group to f*ck right off.

Now, I don't want to hijack a Marco Kasper thread and I don't want to be banned here for wrong-think, but I would like to answer your question lest you think the banishment was for something horrible; so for those looking for more Kaspercentric content, or those easily triggered by ideas that don't align with your own, please scroll-on-by. LOOK AWAY.

So there was some discussion of this group on the board, and someone referred to the group as right wing, and I pointed out, with actual quotes and easily verifiable historical evidence, that the National Socialist German Workers' Party was, in fact, Socialist. It's right there in the name. The one-dimensional political spectrum of left, right, and center is not really a valid model, it's a tool used to tar philosophies by placing them next to something odious; the terms "right wing" and "left wing" are meaningless.

That's it. That's what got me banish-shed. And punishing someone for wrong-think while distancing one's own philosophy from fascist totalitarianism is totes not an ironic embarrassment you guys.

This is a silly post

 

[The Real Pastafarian]

This is a silly post

Well yeah, that's kind of my thing, dude.

But my comment appears in the thread shortly after one guy offered to punch another in the bur-giner, and another attempted to produce a phonetic spelling for the modem handshake squawk.

Speaking of: I remember the early internet too, and I fondly recall the free-for-all as an opportunity to discuss things with all sorts of people, including those with whom I disagreed; and forums like this gave us an opportunity to agree on something, even as trivial as hockey, and allowed us to humanize the other side. I think guys like those that run WiiM don't want anyone to consider the other side human, so they enforce a homogeneity of thought. Their motive for that I'll leave as an exercise for the reader.

errrEEEEEEAAHHHHgrgrlgrglAHHHHnnggggbleepbeep....that seems closer to the squawk that I remember.

 

[1878rgw]

 

[Murmansk16A]

He puts ketchup on his hot dog . . . May have to rethink this draft pick.