Prospect Info: #8OA, Marco Kasper

[RedHawkDown]

40-50pt centres available in FA jsut this year:
Kadri
Trocheck
White
Rask
Strome
Rakell
Copp

Tell me more about you can’t find these guys in FA.

Again, I think it would be a good outcome for Kasper to be a 2way 40pt C. I just don’t think that’s his ceiling and I don’t think Yzerman takes him top 10 if he felt that was his ceiling.

 

[ZDH]

Looking to get a Rogle Kasper jersey. Anyone know whereyou can find an authentic one?

I found these knockoffs so far - Rögle Ängelholm - Champions Hockey League Shop powered by Warrior

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

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@Bench , hide the drugs!

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

40-50pt centres available in FA jsut this year:
Kadri
Trocheck
White
Rask
Strome
Rakell
Copp

Tell me more about you can’t find these guys in FA.

Again, I think it would be a good outcome for Kasper to be a 2way 40pt C. I just don’t think that’s his ceiling and I don’t think Yzerman takes him top 10 if he felt that was his ceiling.

Copp is 28 and hit 40 points once, in a contract year. Rask hasn't hit 40 points in 6 years. White has hit 40 points once in his career. Kadri and Trochek are not 40 point Cs, they are 70 point Cs and will demand 8+ million a year.

Nice examples. In that list you have 4 Cs who have consistently proven capable of hitting 40 points, and two of them aren't even included in the population we were referring to.

 

[Ricelund]

Looking to get a Rogle Kasper jersey. Anyone know whereyou can find an authentic one?

I found these knockoffs so far - Rögle Ängelholm - Champions Hockey League Shop powered by Warrior

You might want to post on reddit.com/r/hockeyjerseys

 

[RedHawkDown]

Copp is 28 and hit 40 points once, in a contract year. Rask hasn't hit 40 points in 6 years. White has hit 40 points once in his career. Kadri and Trochek are not 40 point Cs, they are 70 point Cs and will demand 8+ million a year.

Nice examples. In that list you have 4 Cs who have consistently proven capable of hitting 40 points, and two of them aren't even included in the population we were referring to.

You can nitpick all you want. The point is there are several players that qualify as “40 pt C” available in a shitty FA class just this year.

 

[Bench]

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@Bench , hide the drugs!

Everything I own is perfectly legal!! In Michigan.

 

[Oddbob]

“I don’t know that is ceiling is a top-six forward” says the guy on TV after he was drafted.

That’s a pretty brutal take.

That guy is a scout though as far as I know, so he probably knows at least a little of what he is talking about. I heard him say that too, which wasn't exciting to hear.

 

[Oddbob]

Everything I own is perfectly legal!! In Michigan.

Do you have permits for your goaltending factory though???

 

[Bench]

Do you have permits for your goaltending factory though???

Keep it down and keep shredding those documents!

 

[Oddbob]

Keep it down and keep shredding those documents!

Shredder started smoking, so I panicked.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Shredder started smoking, so I panicked.

I don't pay you to panic. I pay you to shred incriminating documents. I mean... I pay you to shred unnecessary and completely unrelated documents.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Although I love the pick, I do worry that Steve may be getting a bit carried away with character and two way play and grit. And it may be his experience of winning Cups when he personally became a better two way player at the expense of offence. I hope he remembers those teams had a lot of skill too.

His first two 1st round draft picks were Calder caliber with one actually wining the award. This isn't Ken Holland drafting Filip Zadina that we are talking about. And lots of people loved the Zadina pick because he oozed "skill".

 

[Oddbob]

I don't pay you to panic. I pay you to shred incriminating documents. I mean... I pay you to shred unnecessary and completely unrelated documents.

Ooops. I shredded my job description document. Back to shredding. What do you do when the building is floor to ceiling paper shreds?

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

tanx to Ogee. had to post this so I could see it.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Yeah I mean Trocheck as a CEILING isn't what I hope for being a basement team making a lottery pick. NHL purgatory....

Since Trocheck's best year beats all of Bergeron's years you must surely think Bergeron isn't a 1C, nor elite, correct?

 

[newfy]

Anyone have a highlight reel of him hitting people?

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

People keep saying power forward and I don’t see it, he works very hard, but I think much of this power forward narrative is due to how he has to play in the SHL because he is younger. He has the skill, he just has to play grimey in his role to produce in the SHL from what I’ve seen. Like he will still be physical in the NHL but I don’t think he’s a power forward. I think kasper will be finishing a lot of goals of Raymond’s passes out front. I think they will be a very good duo.

 

[Vector Cereal]

Reading through old prospect profiles, I wonder if Brayden Schenn is a good comp: "A talented, gritty and hard-working center, Schenn is a player who brings a lot of different elements to the table and possesses very few, if any, areas of weakness. A good skater with decent top speed, Schenn has the agility and mobility to beat defensemen off the rush. Schenn also boasts excellent puck skills and tremendous vision, making him not only a top-end playmaker, but a consistent threat to score as well. Perhaps his best attributes are his tireless work ethic and consistency. Schenn rarely has an off-game, let alone a bad shift, and always brings a high level of compete. A solid frame helps him win plenty of battles on the boards and in front of the net, and makes him incredibly difficult to knock off the puck."

Sounds a good bit like Kasper, although I'm sure Schenn could show more skill in the WHL vs the SHL. Similar size guys too.

 

[kabidjan18]

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@Bench , hide the drugs!

Marcel is a friend of mine so I'm good with it haha but I was thinking that no one likely cares what an HF noob has to say.

Anyone have a highlight reel of him hitting people?

It wouldn't be a great reel...he hits somewhat often? Like slightly above average. But his hits, especially in the SHL, aren't very effective.

Like @Coach Reggie Dunlop said. He's not a power forward. He is willing to put his body in tough spots to get an SHL spot. But objectively, aside from having an elite motor, he's straight up bad at everything that you would expect a power forward to be good at. That will change over time as he gets older and matures.

But I think the impression that people have of him should reflect what he is and not what he's painted out to be. He's not, and has never been, the guy who gets the puck and gives it to the line's puckhandler. He is the guy who gets the puck from the lines' puck retriever and handles it.

 

[Henkka]

Yzerman about Kasper:

"Really like everything on his play"

- good size
- good skating
- centreman
- centre, but could play anywhere at 3-4 different positions
- good hockey sense
- he's not super flashy, but makes the right play
- not flashy, different player than Pavel Datsyuk, but very efficient, does not mean he isn't really skilled guy
- fundamentally sound
- plays simple
- drives hard to the net
- all-around player

"I like every part of his game"

- strong skater
- moves the puck well
- sees the ice well
- love how hard he competes and drives to the net
- good defensive player
- well-rounded player for 18 years old
- extremely driven young man
- tremendous character
- very mature

"I really wouldn't point out one part of his game what really stands out, he is just good at everything."

 

[NikMo53]

Reading all the comments about Kasper I have a deja Vu. Defense is there, but I don't see the offense... I don't see the upside... but if he will find offense, you look back at the pick and you more then happy.

Anybody think that Wright or Savoie would play in the SHL the last 1,5 years? If Kasper would play junior hockey his numbers would look completely different. I haven't seen a 16 year old starting in the top line in a pro league. He has to play 4th line, if he plays. And Kasper has earned the trust of his coaches so he gets bigger minutes and starts to produce more.
Remember Seider, he wasn't playing offense a lot, because it was not his task at this age.
I trust our scouting much more than the scouting of the other experts in the last 3 years.

 

[Bevans]

40-50pt centres available in FA jsut this year:
Kadri
Trocheck
White
Rask
Strome
Rakell
Copp

Tell me more about you can’t find these guys in FA.

Again, I think it would be a good outcome for Kasper to be a 2way 40pt C. I just don’t think that’s his ceiling and I don’t think Yzerman takes him top 10 if he felt that was his ceiling.

FA hasn't even started so this remains to be seen whether they're available.

In free agency they're going to be paid. Drafting a 2C is infinitely better than trading for or signing one.

Most of these guys were heavily sought after and will have a ton of suitors. 30 of 31 teams are about to be unable to find trocheck and Kadri.

This is just such an odd way to try to prove your point.

Also which rask are you talking about? Tuukka is closer to a 2C than Victor so I have no clue.

 

[Frk It]

Reading all the comments about Kasper I have a deja Vu. Defense is there, but I don't see the offense... I don't see the upside... but if he will find offense, you look back at the pick and you more then happy.

Anybody think that Wright or Savoie would play in the SHL the last 1,5 years? If Kasper would play junior hockey his numbers would look completely different. I haven't seen a 16 year old starting in the top line in a pro league. He has to play 4th line, if he plays. And Kasper has earned the trust of his coaches so he gets bigger minutes and starts to produce more.
Remember Seider, he wasn't playing offense a lot, because it was not his task at this age.
I trust our scouting much more than the scouting of the other experts in the last 3 years.

I was wondering this too.

Seems like they felt Seider had more offense to him, but he was simplifying his game because he was a teenager playing in a men's league. They could feel Kasper is a similar story.

 

[Larkin2AA]

For anyone interested in seeing some extended video of Marco, I thought this was a solid video to watch. You can take or ignore the commentary, but from my glance it seems like if he is able to get with a shooting coach to become more comfortable with his wrist we, then I expect him to score a lot more. I love how much he drives the net.