Post-Game Talk: #8 - 10/21/18 | flames @ RANGERS | 7:00 - MSG

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Oh I don;t know, maybe because you can say that about any person talking about anything....

You asked, I provided an answer, you obviously didn't like the answer so you disregarded it.

But, who better to break down what Panarin does that makes him good thank his coach and the two players who play with him.

Umm actually I was legitimately asking. I liked your post and said it sounded good and you snap at me? Way to overreact
 
Did we get Nylander yet? I’ll give Toronto ADA, Skjei and Pionk. Let them figure it out.
Theyll actually play those guys in the correct spot and with decent linemates...

Remember everygame we tie an anchor to a righty dmans neck then complain when they can't make magic happen with it
 
Theyll actually play those guys in the correct spot and with decent linemates...

Remember everygame we tie an anchor to a righty dmans neck then complain when they can't make magic happen with it

It's really about teaching the kids how to make everyone around them better players.
 
I'm not really disappointed with the play of the team as a whole, honestly. They're 11th in xGF%....somehow. That doesn't pass my eye-test at all but what the f*** do I know?

Point is, the analytics are way in better (in a small sample) than AV hockey.

It's individual players I'm disappointed with.

Kreider isn't driving play. I expected Buchnevich to take huge strides away from AV; he's worse somehow. Don't get me started on Brady Skjei. Chytil has played extremely well and deserves better, but he just isn't scoring. Zuccarello has been the opposite of Chytil - he's been very meh but he's pulling points out of thin air. I wish ADA were playing.

But like I said, the team analytics are better, so who's doing that? Smith, Shattenkirk, and Zibanejad have been solid, and like I said, Chytil deserves better. But the real surprise? Vladislav Namestnikov is driving play like Patrice Bergeron.

Of course, all of this is over a small sample.
 
Y'know I keep hearing about Panarin this, Panarin that. Just wait for Panarin.
Panarin is the latest panacea in a long line of hyped up panacea's for this teams issues with finding a top line.
I have to ask
What is he able to do that will allow him to take over games for us and carry us to wins? Because what usually happens is that the shiny toy comes over and fits right in with the rest of the guys who score maybe 50 points because none of them is truly a top talent.

Outside of Jagr and Gaborik, who has lived up to even half the hype that this board has given them?

I'm not even saying it won't be Panarin, I'm asking why it will be.

Redden, yandle, shattenkirk, Richards, St. Louis, Nash, Erixon, Vesey, Hayes, Gilroy. Let's not forget the hype for Gomez and Drury. Each time, this place has DROOLED over these guys almost unanimously and this place is wrong. Every. Single. Time.

Can anyone actually breakdown Panarin's game and demonstrate how he can come in here, carry a line by himself or elevate his teammates enough to justify the hype he's getting?
Well, if we substituted him in for Vesey this season, he would be tied with Matthews in goals.

edit- He's a finisher. We need finishers desperately
 
Why arent you acknowledging that it's early in the season and that this could be attributed more to having a lineup full of new, inexperienced players. Why the complete quantum leap to assuming wr have ZERO talent

It's not a quantum leap when 10 games in the Rangers have 0 regulation wins, have 40% of their games scoring fewer than 2 goals, have two players tied for the team lead in points with 6( fewer than some players have goals in this league) genuinely don't make good passes to each other and have shown, at best, spurts of offense during games. Offensive production is a measure of skills possessed by the roster. Currently, this team has nothing more than hopeful possibilities.

Maybe this could improve after sometime but 10 games in and we've seen nothing out of many players. I don't think this will all of a sudden change substantially. Hockey does not work like that.
 
I'm not really disappointed with the play of the team as a whole, honestly. They're 11th in xGF%....somehow. That doesn't pass my eye-test at all but what the **** do I know?

Point is, the analytics are way in better (in a small sample) than AV hockey.

It's individual players I'm disappointed with.

Kreider isn't driving play. I expected Buchnevich to take huge strides away from AV; he's worse somehow. Don't get me started on Brady Skjei. Chytil has played extremely well and deserves better, but he just isn't scoring. Zuccarello has been the opposite of Chytil - he's been very meh but he's pulling points out of thin air. I wish ADA were playing.

But like I said, the team analytics are better, so who's doing that? Smith, Shattenkirk, and Zibanejad have been solid, and like I said, Chytil deserves better. But the real surprise? Vladislav Namestnikov is driving play like Patrice Bergeron.

Of course, all of this is over a small sample.

Outside of last night and the Carolina game, I think all the games have been one-goal games, and the Carolina game was close to about the 45 minute mark. They've been losing the games from a few bad stretches within games when their structure and discipline broke down and the opposition capitalized.
 
Outside of last night and the Carolina game, I think all the games have been one-goal games, and the Carolina game was close to about the 45 minute mark. They've been losing the games from a few bad stretches within games when their structure and discipline broke down and the opposition capitalized.

Right and when we have good stretches, we haven't scored.

I know people will say that's because we just can't finish, and look, maybe we can't.

But there's a big difference between a bad finishing team and shooting way below what any NHL team has ever shot over a whole season. The Rangers are the latter right now.
 
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How long has this been a Ranger problem?

No Finish.

Almost equivalent to the NYJ not having a QB... maybe things are about to change..

They had the 4th highest shooting percentage in the league just two seasons ago and the highest in the league the season before that. So...one season?

Over the last three years total they have the third highest so they've been almost the MOST efficient team at finishing in the league.
 
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They had the 4th highest shooting percentage in the league just two seasons ago and the highest in the league the season before that. So...one season?

From 14-15 through 16-17, the Rangers had the highest shooting percentage by some distance and scored the most goals at even strength. (Yes, the most)

They were very recently the best finishing team in the league.

People always think their team can't finish, just like everyone thinks their team can't score on backups.
 
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Only watched the 1st period but the boys seemed a little flat last night. Cannot be the case when we have inferior talent than most other teams.
 
From 14-15 through 16-17, the Rangers had the highest shooting percentage by some distance and scored the most goals at even strength. (Yes, the most)

They were very recently the best finishing team in the league.

People always think their team can't finish, just like everyone thinks their team can't score on backups.

Was the only thing they excelled at under AV.

This team was in the bottom 10 in Goals scored last year and have only subtracted from that # though. There shouldn't be any surprise that this team is having trouble putting pucks in the net so far this season. They may go through a stretch or 2 where they're scoring more, but I wouldn't expect it to become common.
 
I think you're overreacting. The bolded shows me that you aren't being patient. We have to expect some rough times while we are going through this. Focus on the positives, and yes, there were many. The Rangers didn't embarrass themselves, not by any means. They played hard and were the better team for most of the game. The only difference is that they weren't able to bury their chances. How often have we seen the reverse, where the Rangers get outshot on a nightly basis yet come away with a win due making the most of their chances? Buch had his best game in a while. Chytil had his best game of the year. The 4th line was effective. The 1st line continued to play well.

The Sabres and Oilers have suffered from mismanagement and poor drafting. The Flames rebuild was relatively short. It just took them a while to admit that they needed to.

The Rangers have a leg up on those teams because they aren't just sitting back and sucking for high draft picks, hoping for a savior. We had, and still have, a lot of talent that we could trade to accelerate the process. We are also a much more attractive destination for free agents and players on the trade block. We have done better at drafting players outside the first round.

If you want to see what embarrassing really looks like, look at LA and Detroit. LA has playoff aspirations, but has lost 4 in a row, getting outscored 21-5. Three of those losses were to Ottawa, NYI and Buffalo, teams that were predicted to miss the playoffs. Detroit has a -17 goal differential in 8 games (nearly twice as much as the Rangers -9).

If you rewatch much of the second period and parts of the first period, the Rangers virtually never touched the puck for extended periods of time and were playing defense for many stretches. This has been true for all of the games so far and minus Herculean efforts from Hank, this team would be giving up hoards of goals too. Last night the game was still in question in the first and second and when the Flames were competing at their most. In the third, when the game was well in hand for the Flames, the inevitable let down occurred and the Rangers were able to get some momentum back. I’m strugglig to see the game in such a positive light.

I’m very patient, and I’m still supporting the team( I’m going to the game tomorrow and rooting hard for a win.). My issue with what I keep reading after every game is the pie in the sky approach some are taking— looking for “development” and “competative efforts.” This is the NHL. Development has its place and players will get slightly better, but this is not college or junior hockey where players actually develop. Players who need development are in lower level hockey. By the time players reach the NHL they basically are “developed” in my mind. I struggle to see how many on this roster will ever develop to beyond low end NHL talent or high end AHL talent.

I’d rather people just call it like it is. This roster is not designed to win and, while that leaves us with little else to root for but “development,” people need to see the reality on the ice.
 
From 14-15 through 16-17, the Rangers had the highest shooting percentage by some distance and scored the most goals at even strength. (Yes, the most)

They were very recently the best finishing team in the league.

People always think their team can't finish, just like everyone thinks their team can't score on backups.

Trading guys like Grabner and Miller really hurt them in the team's finishing ability.
 
What about saves+shots that missed the net completely?

I mean its a pretty subjective stat as it is but 28 is a very, very large number for one game. 14 is a bunch for one game, and they doubled that.

I'm not sure it's supposed to be a subjective stat. If it were I think that 28 goes to about 14.
 
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