Post-Game Talk: #78 | Flyers at Blue Jackets | April 6, 2024 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP | Loss

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GapToothedWonder

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no one predicted this

Except the 65% that thought they would be stuck in no man's land like they always are.
 

ChiTownPhilly

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You guys may not like it but this is what culture looks like:

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Losses by 3 or more goals, Calendar Year 2024- Selected Teams:

Columbus: 12
San Jose: 12
Anaheim: 13
Chicago: 13
Philadelphia: 14

Too lazy to check ALL teams to see if this is the nadir- but (having run the numbers with the four manifestly worst teams in the NHL), it seems probable to me.

"This team competes blows. This team competes blows HARD."
 

GKJ

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You guys may not like it but this is what culture looks like:

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The irony here is that of these games the best ones they played were against the better teams. Can’t even be like how Torts says stuff about “finding out who can play these games,” because their worst games are against bad teams.
 

gto64dr

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How is this Laughton's fault? How is this Torts fault? Who should we have put in goal? I can blame Rocky for a terrible PP. I can blame Hart for his stupidity. I can blame Ersson for a collapse. I can blame Briere for an ill Advised trade (Walker). But the biggest fault belongs to the Goaltending duo. Once our strength now our A hilles Heal.
 

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How is this Laughton's fault? How is this Torts fault? Who should we have put in goal? I can blame Rocky for a terrible PP. I can blame Hart for his stupidity. I can blame Ersson for a collapse. I can blame Briere for an ill Advised trade (Walker). But the biggest fault belongs to the Goaltending duo. Once our strength now our A hilles Heal.
Yea if only the team had exciting players and had a coach that excelled in offensive creativity they wouldn't have to constantly rely on defense and goaltending to win them games. It's funny how these teams keep beating the Flyers by I don't know uh scoring goals. But that's a no no for John. The flyers don't need goal scorers. The flyers need grinding and hitting and toughness. If they had more 10-12 goal pk specialists they'd have won the cup already no playoffs needed.

So yea why blame John and Rocky and management when clearly the team they built is collapsing when the goaltending turned to shit.
 

gto64dr

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Yea if only the team had exciting players and had a coach that excelled in offensive creativity they wouldn't have to constantly rely on defense and goaltending to win them games. It's funny how these teams keep beating the Flyers by I don't know uh scoring goals. But that's a no no for John. The flyers don't need goal scorers. The flyers need grinding and hitting and toughness. If they had more 10-12 goal pk specialists they'd have won the cup already no playoffs needed.

So yea why blame John and Rocky and management when clearly the team they built is collapsing when the goaltending turned to shit.
Yes, great plan to build a team. BUT, we're not exactly loaded with high draft picks and star players we can trade for all that. If it was that simple any GM could do it. Remember the GM loads the team, not the coach.

I am tired.



I am exhausted.
If you think we've had good goaltending since January I don't think you've been watching the games
 

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CerpinTaxt

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Yes, great plan to build a team. BUT, we're not exactly loaded with high draft picks and star players we can trade for all that. If it was that simple any GM could do it. Remember the GM loads the team, not the coach.


If you think we've had good goaltending since January I don't think you've been watching the games
Maybe other teams GM's but not the Flyers. Danny B is only here cause he had to sign off on keeping torts and they've talked all season long how torts Jones and briere are gonna shape the team.

So don't expect too many skill players to be coming thru so long as this management is around
 

JojoTheWhale

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If you think we've had good goaltending since January I don't think you've been watching the games

The Goaltending has been terrible, but the team in front of it hasn’t been the same since December. They’ve still had some highs, but they also had two sustained 5v5 streaks that were painful. That didn’t happen earlier in the year.

The point as it feels like it is year in and out is that instead of hyper focusing on one thing, we have to look at the big picture. In the very same post, you’ve lamented that the Goaltending has killed them, but the only complaint you have about Briere is that he traded away Walker. Let’s toss that insanity aside and focus on what you haven’t brought up. He also decided to buy a player. That player sucks and also does not play Goalie. At how many major inflection points since June did Briere choose to stay the course with respect to Goalies? Why are we handwaving this? How is that not the single most important chain of decisions he made if the Goalies are the biggest problem with the team?

What I’m asking you to do is not stop at the surface level. Think things through to their root causes. That’s where you find the problems that move the needle.
 

Beef Invictus

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Man the last decade and a half of middling, aimless mediocrity must have been nirvana for you.

Just a guy that loves a team that isn't that talented, refuses to bottom out, but gives him some good games! I mean what is better then that ?!



I would rather ask Pitssbugdh, Chicago, LA, Toronto, Dallas, Colorado, Vancouver or Edmonton.

Unfortunately, because we are managed badly, the best they can do in a rebuild is Montreal/Buffalo
 
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Beef Invictus

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Yes, great plan to build a team. BUT, we're not exactly loaded with high draft picks and star players we can trade for all that. If it was that simple any GM could do it. Remember the GM loads the team, not the coach.


If you think we've had good goaltending since January I don't think you've been watching the games

Why do you think we are not loaded with picks, when we easily could be?
 

Larry44

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Maybe the problem is signing Stall in the first place . Signing Hathaway , treating Cates last year like he is the next selke winner then signing for more than Frost , We still have Delusional for two more stinken years . And worst of all this coaching staff ain't going anywhere as it's the teams fault not theirs it's never their fault .
Signing Staal, Hathaway and Poehling was unnecessary. When Couts rebounded strong, and Hart played great in his swan song, they overachieved. Could have played the kids, let the Hart thing play out, and finished with a good pick for a 1D.
 

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It’s old school but you build teams up the middle and that is where the Flyers have miserably failed. Wings they have; when healthy, their defensemen are adequate; light in goal and horrible at center.
Last night it was Laughton, Poehling, Cates and Frost. That is a miserable situation at that position. Until that gets remedied, the club will be chum in the water. No club can win when they are consistently being beaten in the middle of the rink.
 

Beef Invictus

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The Goaltending has been terrible, but the team in front of it hasn’t been the same since December. They’ve still had some highs, but they also had two sustained 5v5 streaks that were painful. That didn’t happen earlier in the year.

The point as it feels like it is year in and out is that instead of hyper focusing on one thing, we have to look at the big picture. In the very same post, you’ve lamented that the Goaltending has killed them, but the only complaint you have about Briere is that he traded away Walker. Let’s toss that insanity aside and focus on what you haven’t brought up. He also decided to buy a player. That player sucks and also does not play Goalie. At how many major inflection points since June did Briere choose to stay the course with respect to Goalies? Why are we handwaving this? How is that not the single most important chain of decisions he made if the Goalies are the biggest problem with the team?

What I’m asking you to do is not stop at the surface level. Think things through to their root causes. That’s where you find the problems that move the needle.

It makes you think back to the people who pointed out in training camp that Tortorella teams start with an advantage, then once the rest of the league has their legs (and his team is worn thin from blocking shots) things begin melting down.

You cannot win in this league through brutal grinding alone. Tortorella has not realized this. The Flyers have not realized this, and never will until they fire everyone who has ever met Clarke. It is why hiring Tortorella was a dream match for them and a nightmare for me. The last thing either needed was a feedback loop from each other.
 

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It’s old school but you build teams up the middle and that is where the Flyers have miserably failed. Wings they have; when healthy, their defensemen are adequate; light in goal and horrible at center.
Last night it was Laughton, Poehling, Cates and Frost. That is a miserable situation at that position. Until that gets remedied, the club will be chum in the water. No club can win when they are consistently being beaten in the middle of the rink.

You also inject as much skill as you can and let it push guys down the roster. The Flyers build from the 4th line and 3rd pair out. They can't stop giving contract terms to those guys and then gasp in agony at signing skilled players.
 

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The answer is clear. Even with a new coach and less grinders. We need

1C
2C
1D
Top goalie minimum

We MAYBE have one of those so far.
We don’t have any of those. I don’t think sanheim is a number one on any contender. I don’t think we can count on couturier to be healthy and, frankly, motivated to perform at a number one level which brings into question him even as a number two. I also don’t think the flyers can get out of their own way to allow frost to be consistently a number two center man.
 
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Larry44

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It makes you think back to the people who pointed out in training camp that Tortorella teams start with an advantage, then once the rest of the league has their legs (and his team is worn thin from blocking shots) things begin melting down.

You cannot win in this league through brutal grinding alone. Tortorella has not realized this. The Flyers have not realized this, and never will until they fire everyone who has ever met Clarke. It is why hiring Tortorella was a dream match for them and a nightmare for me. The last thing either needed was a feedback loop from each other.
This. All. Of. This. Nailed it.
 
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You also inject as much skill as you can and let it push guys down the roster. The Flyers build from the 4th line and 3rd pair out. They can't stop giving contract terms to those guys and then gasp in agony at signing skilled players.
No doubt the organization has been unwise with their money. They need to take a hard look at how they are using their cap space. IMO, it’s being wasted. They should be getting more in return for it when it’s being included in deals. Then, as you say, when they do spend it, spend it more intelligently. Blowing money on Deslauriers, Staal and the like is unacceptable. Those spots could have gone to younger players already in the system.
 

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