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GDT: #78 - 04/03/14 | New York Rangers @ Colorado Avalanche | 9:00 - MSG

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jas said:
Just give Patrick Roy the Jack Adams right now. I know Duchene is out, but, how the hell did that lineup reach 100 points? Nate Guenin on the 2nd D pair? And that right side for the forward group? Amazing job by Roy.
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Both Parenteau and Tanguay who play the right side are also out. Usually it would look a little better than that.



Good luck tonight. Hopefully the Rangers don't steamroll the Avs like last time :D
 
Avs44 said:
Both Parenteau and Tanguay who play the right side are also out. Usually it would look a little better than that.



Good luck tonight. Hopefully the Rangers don't steamroll the Avs like last time :D
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Even so, I'd still maintain that your coach has done a heckuva job this year.
 
NYRKindms said:
Paul Stewart rips Rangers lack of reaction in VAN

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Paul...re-the-Rangers/196/59112#.Uz2N0NU2rEs.twitter
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Girardi elbowed Burrows in the back of the head, which was arguably more dirty and painful than the hit itself. I don't mind that he did it frankly, but I don't get why dropping the gloves and throwing some punches is seen as the end all be all of response. When was the last time someone was legitimately hurt in a fight against a guy who isn't in the league almost solely based on fighting prowess? When was the last time a fight stopped any player from running around? Cooke got clocked and straight up embarrassed by a 19 year old Evander Kane and he did some filthy stuff after, too.

This fantasy world where fighting after a hit someone deters players like Burrows from doing what they think they have to do to maintain a lucrative career is just that, fantasy.

Let's also take into account that if G, or anyone, instigated a fight at the end of the game, they'd be suspended. Is it worth losing a whole top d pair to send some message to Burrows? A message that's already been sent to him over and over with no response?
 
Megustaelhockey said:
I am not a Gambler's Fallacy kind of guy myself, but both teams are due for a loss. :laugh: But the Avs were terrible in the game at the Garden, so they might have the extra motivation to make up for that.
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With their extra motivation and us not playing nearly as well at home than on the road, I'm thinking we really need to come out strong in this one and not let up. I hope this is one of those games where we can accomplish this, because sucking in the 1st two periods and coming out strong in the 3rd just isn't going to cut it.

Any news on whether or not McDonagh is playing?
 
NYRKindms said:
Paul Stewart rips Rangers lack of reaction in VAN

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Paul...re-the-Rangers/196/59112#.Uz2N0NU2rEs.twitter
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I dont really agree with his assessment here. First off, he needs to watch McDonagh more because he is quickly approaching the elite of the elite level. I wouldn't compare him to Leetch (i wouldnt compare any defenseman to Leetch, he was a generational player). Thats a cop out since its a Ranger to Ranger comparison.

Lack of immediate reaction? Sure. Maybe someone should have been smacked Burrows around. But if you go back and watch the final 43 seconds of the game the Rangers took runs at 2 different Canucks and Brassard was sending howitzers at the net towards Lacks head. The Rangers were being aggressive trying to score there and make their mark that way. Maybe not the response some wanted but in my estimation it was a response of some kind. They definitely showed some more emotion.

Personally, I feel like if you don't recognize the situation for what it is quickly and make instant retribution, its silly to try and do it after the fact, on the road, with less than a minute to go, about to win against an opponent you will not see in the playoffs.

No doubt would i like to see a little more passion immediately after the hit but who knows if any of the Rangers on the ice saw it clearly or even realized what exactly happened. Just because one of your players goes to ice doesnt mean something dirty occurred. We can talk about this after the fact after seeing the replays dozens of times and thinking it through. The response should be made in a split second in this instance.

Does this show the Rangers are soft? Possibly. But i think the whole "soft as butter" and "toughness" debate is blown out of proportion with the fans. This isnt 1973.
 
Too many Colorado players that were ex-Ranger property. Mitchell, Cliché and Nasty Nate will be lighting up the scoreboard. Col 14 Rangers 1. :sarcasm:
 
haveandare said:
Girardi elbowed Burrows in the back of the head, which was arguably more dirty and painful than the hit itself. I don't mind that he did it frankly, but I don't get why dropping the gloves and throwing some punches is seen as the end all be all of response. When was the last time someone was legitimately hurt in a fight against a guy who isn't in the league almost solely based on fighting prowess? When was the last time a fight stopped any player from running around? Cooke got clocked and straight up embarrassed by a 19 year old Evander Kane and he did some filthy stuff after, too.

This fantasy world where fighting after a hit someone deters players like Burrows from doing what they think they have to do to maintain a lucrative career is just that, fantasy.

Let's also take into account that if G, or anyone, instigated a fight at the end of the game, they'd be suspended. Is it worth losing a whole top d pair to send some message to Burrows? A message that's already been sent to him over and over with no response?
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How was it more painful if McD barely got off the ice holding his arm while Burrowes was fine?

Girardi's response in my book was fine. He gave him a good shot and then they had a scrum. But I don't think you can compare the Burrowes hit to the shot G gave him.
 
Jackson Ranger said:
How was it more painful if McD barely got off the ice holding his arm while Burrowes was fine?

Girardi's response in my book was fine. He gave him a good shot and then they had a scrum. But I don't think you can compare the Burrowes hit to the shot G gave him.
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You're right, saying it was more painful was poor wording. McD's arm got stuck awkwardly between two players and the wall from what I can tell. G straight threw an elbow at the back of Burrows' head. There was no other player, no involvement from the playing area itself, just one guy purposely throwing his elbow at another. Like I said, I don't hold it against G, the dude was pissed, and he hit Burrows in the helmet, didn't seem to leave much damage. What I meant was that G's move also had a good deal of potential to hurt somebody.

Anyway, I agree that his response was fine. If G dropped the gloves, there's a good chance that the Rangers start tonight's game without an entire first pair. That's lunacy and it's absolutely not worth it to "send a message" in a way that hasn't been effective in more than a decade. He gave Burrows a good wack, and he skated off the ice a winner while Burrows skated off a loser who's team isn't going to make the playoffs and who's coach is almost certainly going to fired because of that entire team's poor performance, Burrows' included. Take the big win and move on IMO.
 
Miller must have done or said something to piss AV off with his lack of maturity.

Andrew Gross ‏@AGrossRecord 1m
Regarding JT Miller being sent back to Hartford, AV says Miller needs to "figure it out," pointedly says both on and off the ice.
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Yeah that's interesting. I can see Miller getting frustrated with being shuttled up and down, but on the other hand he's gotta see that he's the teams top pick to be called up when they need help...that means something. He's 20 years old and regarded as the most NHL ready prospect the Rangers have and they regularly turned to him when they needed some help. Better than being the 3rd or 4th guy down that list who never gets a sniff
 
NYRKindms said:
Paul Stewart rips Rangers lack of reaction in VAN

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Paul...re-the-Rangers/196/59112#.Uz2N0NU2rEs.twitter
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You can Agree or Disagree with what's being said. But a bottom line questions is being raised and that is what is important along with a perception that such a question creates:

Have the Rangers been exposed as a passive team that will not stick up for each other?

Are players around the league asking themselves that question about this Rangers team?

It will be interesting to see where this goes should any liberties be taken tonight. I will be keeping an eye on Danny G. tonight.
 
haveandare said:
You're right, saying it was more painful was poor wording. McD's arm got stuck awkwardly between two players and the wall from what I can tell. G straight threw an elbow at the back of Burrows' head. There was no other player, no involvement from the playing area itself, just one guy purposely throwing his elbow at another. Like I said, I don't hold it against G, the dude was pissed, and he hit Burrows in the helmet, didn't seem to leave much damage. What I meant was that G's move also had a good deal of potential to hurt somebody.

Anyway, I agree that his response was fine. If G dropped the gloves, there's a good chance that the Rangers start tonight's game without an entire first pair. That's lunacy and it's absolutely not worth it to "send a message" in a way that hasn't been effective in more than a decade. He gave Burrows a good wack, and he skated off the ice a winner while Burrows skated off a loser who's team isn't going to make the playoffs and who's coach is almost certainly going to fired because of that entire team's poor performance, Burrows' included. Take the big win and move on IMO.
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I agree with the majority of the post. The only thing I disagree with is the instigation part of it. My feeling is the refs would do the right thing and not give an instigation penalty as a result of a hit like that. I think that rule is more in place for late game goonery like the Rangers did one time a few years back when they sent out the tough guys at the end of a game to start trouble when they were losing by a few goals. In this case, Girardi is just reacting to a dirty hit on the ice and not looking to "start" the trouble.
 
Andrew Gross
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Vigneault says McDonagh is considered "day to day" and coach doesn't think it will be a long absence.

My prediction was a week off, we'll see.
 
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