Prospect Info: 71st Overall Leevi Merilainen G, Fin, Karpat Jr

[Sun God Nika]

None of those guys has a Cup though. Rask Cup doesn’t count because he wasn’t the starter

i am fine with Leevi being the back up for a cup....

 

[Snowwy]

Outside of the trade its been an incredibly dissapointing day. I just dont understand the mind set, why not swing on a few players. Colorado always comes in and picks up these guys late (foudy) and then we wonder what happened.

What a guy, so confident and cocky despite this fantastic record, basically everywhere you look. If only we drafted like Colorado , right..

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

even when we had Lehner Bishop and Andy? and completely f***ed it.


I would say this kid is the next Saros/Rinne/Rask.

There is an alternate universe where we lament how we screwed things up by trading Tampa Bay a star goalie for Conacher, except that it's Craig Anderson.

 

[armani]

What a guy, so confident and cocky despite this fantastic record, basically everywhere you look. If only we drafted like Colorado , right..

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That’s a No-Name list, absolutely horrendous, Sakic sucks lol.

Meanwhile, the guy he fleeced, our ex-GM The Duhrion, can boast about one thing, and that’s the 2020 draft that him and his team of scouts picked. Merilainen looks to be a steal thus far.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Feeling very optimistic that we have management that won't trade him for a short fix. We've drafted and partially developed so many goalies that have become starters on other teams. Its nice to feel confident that we get to keep a guy for once

Still devastated with Seattle taking Daccord from us.

even when we had Lehner Bishop and Andy? and completely f***ed it.


I would say this kid is the next Saros/Rinne/Rask.

I agree. My username might finally get a change.

 

[PlayersLtd]

That’s a No-Name list, absolutely horrendous, Sakic sucks lol.

Meanwhile, the guy he fleeced, our ex-GM The Duhrion, can boast about one thing, and that’s the 2020 draft that him and his team of scouts picked. Merilainen looks to be a steal thus far.

Dorion can boast about a lot more than that when it comes to his drafting. Asset management yes, drafting however was well above average and thank god for that.

 

[Loach]

Dorion can boast about a lot more than that when it comes to his drafting. Asset management yes, drafting however was well above average and thank god for that.

Pretty sure on Gatineau radio he said he was heavily involved with first round picks and high second round and that after that it was the scouts. He also said "But he wasn't involved in the Boucher pick." And we all know that Mann picked Pinto. Anything good Dorion did was an accident. The man is a buffoon. My french is rough, but his is brutal.

 

[PlayersLtd]

He was GM of a team that drafted wabove average during his tenure. Whether we like it or not he gets the credit, that's how it works. He was a buffoon yes, but by and large drafting wasn't the problem.

If you were assigned to do an honest and unbiased post mortem on the team between 2016 and 2023, that is the conclusion you would come to. I realize that's not easy for some people to do because of the trauma.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Here is a good article describing Dorion's tenure:
A narrow functional orientation is a limited focus on one type of work, which can lead to career issues. It can also be characterized by over-reliance on strengths, avoiding new areas, and ignoring flaws.

Signs of a narrow functional orientation Over-reliance on strengths, Ignoring flaws, Avoiding untested areas, and Focusing on just one type of work.


Strategies for gaining a broader perspective

• Seek challenging experiences
• Learn from your experiences
• Be vulnerable
• Understand your learning style
• Reconnect with your mission
• Follow your awe
• Use “Yes, and…” thinking
• Notice “all or nothing” thinking
• Put yourself in someone else's shoes
• Zoom out, but don't zone out

 

[Loach]

He was GM of a team that drafted wabove average during his tenure. Whether we like it or not he gets the credit, that's how it works. He was a buffoon yes, but by and large drafting wasn't the problem.

If you were assigned to do an honest and unbiased post mortem on the team between 2016 and 2023, that is the conclusion you would come to. I realize that's not easy for some people to do because of the trauma.

Somebody ran the numbers a few months ago and drafting was below average.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Pretty sure on Gatineau radio he said he was heavily involved with first round picks and high second round and that after that it was the scouts. He also said "But he wasn't involved in the Boucher pick." And we all know that Mann picked Pinto. Anything good Dorion did was an accident. The man is a buffoon. My french is rough, but his is brutal.

Overrated at the Draft table.

 

[BigRig4]

Pretty sure on Gatineau radio he said he was heavily involved with first round picks and high second round and that after that it was the scouts. He also said "But he wasn't involved in the Boucher pick." And we all know that Mann picked Pinto. Anything good Dorion did was an accident. The man is a buffoon. My french is rough, but his is brutal.

Yeah it was on BPM and you’re spot on. He basically said anything good was him, anything bad he wasn’t involved with.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Yeah it was on BPM and you’re spot on. He basically said anything good was him, anything bad he wasn’t involved with.

Classless Liar with zero people skills.

 

[Hale The Villain]

When not selecting the consensus guy on Bob's list (Stutzle, Tkachuk) Dorion's drafting in the 1st round was hit and miss at best.

Sanderson was a great pick. Arguably the consensus at 5 giving how much he was rising up the rankings but they could have opted for Drysdale or even reached for the "local guy" whether it be Quinn or Rossi.

Greig was also a solid selection. Peterka obviously would have been better but nothing wrong with getting a solid 3rd line guy out of a late 1st.

Bowers, JBD, Thomson and Boucher, on the other hand, were awful selections.

Definitely not a track record worth praising.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Filtering through draft lists or not, if it weren't for the Karlsson trade the guy's tenure would have been considered an absolute disaster. Obviously it still happened, so it worked out, but it's crazy to think how much of a guaranteed failure the rebuild would have been without that. Like, not even close to competitive. It still was a disaster because of his long list of poor transactions, but that one really saved their bacon. Thankfully he's gone now and the franchise is a serious organization for the first time in a long time.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Filtering through draft lists or not, if it weren't for the Karlsson trade the guy's tenure would have been considered an absolute disaster. Obviously it still happened, so it worked out, but it's crazy to think how much of a guaranteed failure the rebuild would have been without that. Like, not even close to competitive. It still was a disaster because of his long list of poor transactions, but that one really saved their bacon. Thankfully he's gone now and the franchise is a serious organization for the first time in a long time.

The trade to SJ coinciding with a SJ collapse that rendered Stutzle as a lottery pick.

 

[Norris4Norris]

Filtering through draft lists or not, if it weren't for the Karlsson trade the guy's tenure would have been considered an absolute disaster. Obviously it still happened, so it worked out, but it's crazy to think how much of a guaranteed failure the rebuild would have been without that. Like, not even close to competitive. It still was a disaster because of his long list of poor transactions, but that one really saved their bacon. Thankfully he's gone now and the franchise is a serious organization for the first time in a long time.

Ya we are an average team with Stutzle and Sanderson.

Without them we would be a below average team. I still can’t believe Dorion kept his job for so long. Every draft they took a relatively high pick and wasted it on someone expected to go late in the second round.

Dorion’s face and voice bothered me almost as much as his f*cking stupidity.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Ya we are an average team with Stutzle and Sanderson.

Without them we would be a below average team. I still can’t believe Dorion kept his job for so long. Every draft they took a relatively high pick and wasted it on someone expected to go late in the second round.

Dorion’s face and voice bothered me almost as much as his f*cking stupidity.

Dorion was such a goof as GM. Never would have sniffed the job if it weren't Melnyk's cheap ass operation. The only other rumored candidate at the time was Randy "Rick" Lee, the former strength and conditioning coach, so safe to say it wasn't a serious hiring process.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Leevi has taken the opportunity and is running with it... This should absolutely make him the #1 goal tending prospect by a long shot.

Forsberg is in the last year of his contract and is a UFA at the end of the season.

 

[Senscore]

As it stands he's got a pretty good shot at rookie of the month honours.

5-2-1, 2.17 GAA .928sv%, 2 SO


Wolf has good but worse individual numbers, but one more win.

 

[zenator]

even when we had Lehner Bishop and Andy? and completely f***ed it.

How did we f* it? We chose the right goalie to keep.

We kept Anderson, who played better than the other 2 going forward, and also lasted longer in the NHL.

Although if you're referring to only getting Conacher for Bishop, or blowing the 1st rounder we got for Lehner on Colin White, then I see what you're saying.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

How did we f* it? We chose the right goalie to keep.

We kept Anderson, who played better than the other 2 going forward, and also lasted longer in the NHL.

Although if you're referring to only getting Conacher for Bishop, or blowing the 1st rounder we got for Lehner on Colin White, then I see what you're saying.

bishop was the better, younger goalie.

career .921 save pct

lehner prob would have been better too but injuries and mental health messed that up.

 

[Micklebot]

bishop was the better, younger goalie.

career .921 save pct

lehner prob would have been better too but injuries and mental health messed that up.

It's interesting, because if you ignore those last three years of Anderson where he clearly aged out, all three guys essentially were .920 sv% from the point that they made the choice.

Neither Lehner or Bishop lasted long enough to see their play regress, they had more catastrophic collapses in their health, be it mental or knees(?)

At the time I thought the guy to trade was Anderson, but I don't really think the decision to go with Anderson actually hurt us in the long run other than getting a couple fewer years of quality play, albeit at a point in time where the team was no longer competitive.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

How did we f* it? We chose the right goalie to keep.

We kept Anderson, who played better than the other 2 going forward, and also lasted longer in the NHL.

Although if you're referring to only getting Conacher for Bishop, or blowing the 1st rounder we got for Lehner on Colin White, then I see what you're saying.

I don't get why we never picked Konency with the 1st rounder we got from Lehner.

What a guy, so confident and cocky despite this fantastic record, basically everywhere you look. If only we drafted like Colorado , right..

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Yeah Avs have elite pro-scouting, but their amateur scouting was also not good outside of 1st round (And even then outside of MacKinnon, Rantanen, and Makar, all top 10 picks, they haven't done that well).

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Ottawa Senators Draft History at hockeydb.com Damn 2008-2011 Sens drafting was elite.