Prospect Info: #70 - Carter Mazur (LW)

[Gniwder]

Fixed that for you.

Dude, 11 AHL games. Like I already said Hirose had 8 pts in 10 NHL games. Not to mention Zadina looked pretty good in the AHL.

I'm not gonna get hyped up about 11 AHL games, way too early.

 

[Frk It]

Dude, 11 AHL games. Like I already said Hirose had 8 pts in 10 NHL games. Not to mention Zadina looked pretty good in the AHL.

I'm not gonna get hyped up about 11 AHL games, way too early.

Hirose didn’t play a game in the AHL until he was 24.

 

[Gniwder]

Hirose didn’t play a game in the AHL until he was 24.

Because he played in the NHL first, had 7 pts in his first 10 games playing with Vanek.... remember now? Last time I checked, NHL is a higher league.

(Note: It was 7, not 8 as I previously said. 5 pts in first 5 games.)

 

[izlez]

Dude, 11 AHL games. Like I already said Hirose had 8 pts in 10 NHL games. Not to mention Zadina looked pretty good in the AHL.

I'm not gonna get hyped up about 11 AHL games, way too early.

So long as this is your stance on all prospects, great, I think we all understand where your coming from.

But, this is a site called Hockey's Future and we're all understanding we're talking about what we're projecting him to be based on what he's done as a prospect.

 

[Gniwder]

So long as this is your stance on all prospects, great, I think we all understand where your coming from.

But, this is a site called Hockey's Future and we're all understanding we're talking about what we're projecting him to be based on what he's done as a prospect.

Mazur needs to bulk up, smaller guys that play his style tend to get injured. AmBertuzzi was 10 -15 lbs heavier and had a series of injuries, and of course there's Fabbri...

Matt Tkachuk is 210lbs, and his brother has 10 pounds on him. Guys that are successful playing that style are built for it.

Also, Hockey Futures or not, extrapolating on 11 games is silly. If Mazur is a success at this point then Kasper is a total bust, lol.

 

[Frk It]

Because he played in the NHL first, had 7 pts in his first 10 games playing with Vanek.... remember now? Last time I checked, NHL is a higher league.

(Note: It was 7, not 8 as I previously said. 5 pts in first 5 games.)

What’s your ultimate point here?

Hirose had some physical limitations that Mazur doesn’t. Mazur plays a game that translates very well to the NHL. Mazur has been an impactful player at every stop he has played at the last 2 or 3 years. It’s not easy to put up a point a game in college or put up over a ppg at the WJC.

Pointing out another prospect failed or disappointed doesn’t mean this other one will too.

 

[Gniwder]

What’s your ultimate point here?

Hirose had some physical limitations that Mazur doesn’t. Mazur plays a game that translates very well to the NHL. Mazur has been an impactful player at every stop he has played at the last 2 or 3 years. It’s not easy to put up a point of game in college or put up over a ppg at the WJC.

Pointing out another prospect failed or disappointed doesn’t mean this other one will too.

Mazur ain't that big, and the sample size is small. That's my point.

The same people that are saying Kasper isn't a bust yet because the sample size is small are celebrating Mazur as a success. His game will only translate to the NHL if he gains some pounds. I thought Sebrango would do well, but I put that same caveat on him, and he never bulked up.

If Mazur wants to play that physical, chippy game in the NHL, he needs to add at least 10 - 15 lbs. Then I'll be excited.

Edit: I said earlier that smaller players that play his style tend to get injured, totally forgot Mazur started this season on IR, lol.

 

[Frk It]

Mazur ain't that big, and the sample size is small. That's my point.

The same people that are saying Kasper isn't a bust yet because the sample size is small are celebrating Mazur as a success. His game will only translate to the NHL if he gains some pounds. I thought Sebrango would do well, but I put that same caveat on him, and he never bulked up.

If Mazur wants to play that physical, chippy game in the NHL, he needs to add at least 10 - 15 lbs. Then I'll be excited.

I'm not just looking at 12 AHL games... I'm looking at 12 AHL games AND what he did in college AND what he has done in international tournaments (WJC And WC). The sum of all that is impressive. Simply put he has shown up at every level he has played at the last 3 years.

The AHL site has him listed at 6'1 and 178 lbs. Sounds like maybe you are looking at an out of date number for him, like maybe what EP has.

He will come into the league at a size comparable to Wayne Simmonds who played a similarish style game and was an effective and pretty durable player.

 

[Gniwder]

I'm not just looking at 12 AHL games... I'm looking at 12 AHL games AND what he did in college AND what he has done in international tournaments (WJC And WC). The sum of all that is impressive. Simply put he has shown up at every level he has played at the last 3 years.

The AHL site has him listed at 6'1 and 178 lbs. Sounds like maybe you are looking at an out of date number for him, like maybe what EP has.

He will come into the league at a size comparable to Wayne Simmonds who played a similarish style game and was an effective and pretty durable player.

I'm looking at the small sample size, and I'm gonna say he spends his entire NHL career on IR, lol. 178 is light for his style of play. Even Kadri is 195lbs.

I edited my previous response, Mazur started the season on IR. So far his entire NHL career is IR.

 

[Frk It]

I'm looking at the small sample size, and I'm gonna say he spends his entire NHL career on IR, lol. 178 is light for his style of play. Even Kadri is 195lbs.

I edited my previous response, Mazur started the season on IR. So far his entire NHL career is IR.

What's to say he won't continue to put on more weight? We have seen his listed weight go up 10 lbs since we picked him. At 6'1" he should have room to put on more weight and get stronger.

Even now though when you watch him, he does not get pushed around at all. It's not really a limiting factor IMO.

 

[Gniwder]

What's to say he won't continue to put on more weight? We have seen his listed weight go up 10 lbs since we picked him. At 6'1" he should have room to put on more weight and get stronger.

Even now though when you watch him, he does not get pushed around at all. It's not really a limiting factor IMO.

I hope he gains weight. Not everyone can. I'd be excited if he was 200lbs, or at least 190. It's not like I want him to fail.

He could very well become the next Bertuzzi, spending more time on IR than actually playing. Smaller guys that play a physical game tends to worry me. That's all.

As for the scoring, I'd like a bigger sample size.

 

[izlez]

I don't recall anyone in the last 2.5 years being remotely concerned about his size. And a 21 year old at 178 lbs entering his first pro season, I don't see why it would be a concern

 

[Detroit Knights]

Just so you guys know @Gniwder @Frk It , you both can be right you know. He is playing well with his current weight and probably would sustain it for a period of time, but injuries could happen more often than not with his style of play. If he gained/bulked up to closer to 200, he may lose foot speed or so, but with the way he plays, the injuries wouldn't mount up as much.

 

[Gniwder]

I don't recall anyone in the last 2.5 years being remotely concerned about his size. And a 21 year old at 178 lbs entering his first pro season, I don't see why it would be a concern

I have. Same with all the prospects, I even said Raymond needs to bulk up, and he did this summer.

The average NHL forward is 198lbs, and we're talking pro athletes, not some fat ass sitting at your favorite bar. 20lbs is a huge difference, and most of the prospects start bulking up before they hit 21. Look at Raymond, he's 21 now and at 188lbs after bulking up this summer.

 

[izlez]

I have. Same with all the prospects, I even said Raymond needs to bulk up, and he did this summer.

The average NHL forward is 198lbs, and we're talking pro athletes, not some fat ass sitting at your favorite bar. 20lbs is a huge difference, and most of the prospects start bulking up before they hit 21. Look at Raymond, he's 21 now and at 188lbs after bulking up this summer.

I would say becoming professional has a big impact on when a prospect bulks up. Focusing on hockey and health and bulking up is a lot easier when it's your job and you're not balancing it with going to classes.

Regardless, I'm not so sure Mazur falling into the boards or Bertuzzi blocking slapshots with his wrists has a lot to do with their weight

 

[Gniwder]

I would say becoming professional has a big impact on when a prospect bulks up. Focusing on hockey and health and bulking up is a lot easier when it's your job and you're not balancing it with going to classes.

Regardless, I'm not so sure Mazur falling into the boards or Bertuzzi blocking slapshots with his wrists has a lot to do with their weight

Have you looked at college football players? Not to mention he had all summer to bulk up, I felt Raymond should have started bulking up earlier and same with Mazur.

The lighter you are, the farther you fly when you get checked. What goes around comes around, you know other players will be looking to get back at Mazur. He might catch opponents off guard in their first meeting, but not the second. We see plenty of players successful in their first few NHL games like Hirose, Elmer, and Cholo, but they falter as soon as the league figures them out. The AHL isn't much different, that's why I hate small sample sizes.

I'll be more enthused about him after he gains 15 lbs, we'll see what he does next summer. Hopefully he doesn't have the DeKeyser syndrome.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Have you looked at college football players? Not to mention he had all summer to bulk up, I felt Raymond should have started bulking up earlier and same with Mazur.

The lighter you are, the farther you fly when you get checked. What goes around comes around, you know other players will be looking to get back at Mazur. He might catch opponents off guard in their first meeting, but not the second. We see plenty of players successful in their first few NHL games like Hirose, Elmer, and Cholo, but they falter as soon as the league figures them out. The AHL isn't much different, that's why I hate small sample sizes.

I'll be more enthused about him after he gains 15 lbs, we'll see what he does next summer. Hopefully he doesn't have the DeKeyser syndrome.

Working as a student in a sports office for the college I went to, I can definitively say that football programs are leaps and bounds better at strength and conditioning than any other sport, especially the high revenue schools that have a football specific S & C coach. So this is a little bit disingenuous.

Also, at my school specifically, about 90% of the players are in a degree similar to sociology that takes limited thinking and if it is a good enough school, the players get a pass on a lot of stuff (schools like stanford I would assume don't get that pass, but most do). I mean a school like ohio state doesn't give a sh*t about your grades because they are going to pass the players anyways.

The rest of what you said makes sense, but that part I'll push back on. I don't know what mazur degree program was or anything, but being a bigger player in college hockey, I don't think helps as much as being fast...that's just random opinion but I'll bow out of that if I'm wrong.

 

[Gniwder]

Working as a student in a sports office for the college I went to, I can definitively say that football programs are leaps and bounds better at strength and conditioning than any other sport, especially the high revenue schools that have a football specific S & C coach. So this is a little bit disingenuous.

Also, at my school specifically, about 90% of the players are in a degree similar to sociology that takes limited thinking and if it is a good enough school, the players get a pass on a lot of stuff (schools like stanford I would assume don't get that pass, but most do). I mean a school like ohio state doesn't give a sh*t about your grades because they are going to pass the players anyways.

The rest of what you said makes sense, but that part I'll push back on. I don't know what mazur degree program was or anything, but being a bigger player in college hockey, I don't think helps as much as being fast...that's just random opinion but I'll bow out of that if I'm wrong.

Do grades matter if you're not planning on graduating?

 

[Detroit Knights]

Do grades matter if you're not planning on graduating?

depends. some coaches (ala coach carter) want you to have good grades.

 

[Killerjas]

If he becomes a good NHL bottom 6 player, this pick is a massive W.

 

[Oddbob]

If he becomes a good NHL bottom 6 player, this pick is a massive W.

It would be a win, not a massive one. He was a 3rd round pick, you hope you would at least get a functional NHL player out of that.

 

[norrisnick]

It would be a win, not a massive one. He was a 3rd round pick, you hope you would at least get a functional NHL player out of that.

And hope you would need as the odds are massively stacked against a 3rd being a functional full time NHLer.

 

[Oddbob]

And hope you would need as the odds are massively stacked against a 3rd being a functional full time NHLer.

Still not a major win if you get a bottom 6er out of it.

 

[norrisnick]

Still not a major win if you get a bottom 6er out of it.

It's about 50/50 that a third even gets a game, period. And then less than 50/50 of that to get a guy that sticks. Getting an every day player out of the 3rd round or below is huge.

 

[Gniwder]

It's about 50/50 that a third even gets a game, period. And then less than 50/50 of that to get a guy that sticks. Getting an every day player out of the 3rd round or below is huge.

No, because you can pick up 3rd and 4th liners for cheap in free agency. The salary cap savings from his ELC will be $1M/season or less.

It's good.... but not huge, and not something that gets you a Cup with a crap defense.