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Magua

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The fact that calling Provorov a top pair defensemen is considered “bashing” really shows how crazy people’s views of him are. :laugh:

“It can all end. Right now. Peace. Just say it. Cry out....‘Norris.’”


*Norris, the crowd chants, growing louder and louder*


“.....The poster wishes to say a word.”


*A pause. The words gurgling in the back of the poster’s throat. Then a roar*


“TOP PAIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!”

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Striiker

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“It can all end. Right now. Peace. Just say it. Cry out....‘Norris.’”


*Norris, the crowd chants, growing louder and louder*


“.....The poster wishes to say a word.”


*A pause. The words gurgling in the back of the poster’s throat. Then a roar*


“TOP PAIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!”

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Ohhh boy... another movie reference I'm unfamiliar with. :laugh:
 

Remarkablr

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He would be, he'd be paired with their top offensive defenseman, like Burns or Karlsson on San Jose.

Our problem with depth on the defensive core is just a matter of time, we have young D-men coming out of the woodwork, in April the Phantoms could roll out Hogberg, Zamula, Wylie, Millman, York, St Ivany and Attard.

Of course. You think he's better than Burns or Karlsson. Dream on.
 

AdamParrot

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Provorov's "problem" are his though minutes.

I believe if he is in Tampa (for example) and plays with much easier minutes (like Sergachev) he would be TOP10 defenseman around the league as he scores much more points because of power-house in Tampa.

It's not easy to draw rank, but one is sure. Provy is TOP20 defenseman in this league. He has his flaws of course (and shouldnt play on 1PP) but he is there.
 

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You haven’t seen Braveheart @Striiker? You sir are a pop culture failure
:laugh: Look man, I was 2 years old when the movie came out and at no point in the following near 26 years have I ever had someone say to me "Hey, do you want to watch Bravehart?", so it's just never happened.

I'll get to it eventually - I have an IMDB Watchlist with 343 assorted movies and TV shows that I intend to watch - but I'm just a little behind. Shitposting on a hockey forum and watching godawful hockey takes up more time than you'd think.
 

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Patrick is of the few guys who has been playing reasonably well. I’d definitely love to see him show up in the goal scoring column a few times.

I agree, he has looked good. Still makes too many WHL-level passes, but he's been good on the forecheck and leading plays in the O-zone, and has been *quick* in returning back to the D-zone to help break up plays, and help the defense.

In fact, his speed is what has impressed me the most so far this year - he seems a bit faster than I remember.
 
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Another movie that mangles history.
The Princess was 3 years old.
Wallace was a nobleman, "freedom" my ass. If his peasants revolted for their freedom, guess what their fate would have been?

William Wallace | Biography, Braveheart, Death, Sword, & Facts

Randall Wallace, who wrote the screenplay, has acknowledged Blind Harry's 15th-century epic poem The Acts and Deeds of Sir William Wallace, Knight of Elderslie as a major inspiration for the film.[48] In defending his script, Randall Wallace has said, "Is Blind Harry true? I don't know. I know that it spoke to my heart and that's what matters to me, that it spoke to my heart."[48] Blind Harry's poem is not regarded as historically accurate, and although some incidents in the film that are not historically accurate are taken from Blind Harry (e.g. the hanging of Scottish nobles at the start),[49] there are large parts that are based neither on history nor Blind Harry (e.g. Wallace's affair with Princess Isabella).[5]

Elizabeth Ewan describes Braveheart as a film that "almost totally sacrifices historical accuracy for epic adventure".[50] The "brave heart" refers in Scottish history to that of Robert the Bruce, and an attribution by William Edmondstoune Aytoun, in his poem Heart of Bruce, to Sir James the Good Douglas: "Pass thee first, thou dauntless heart, As thou wert wont of yore!", prior to Douglas' demise at the Battle of Teba in Andalusia.[51] It has been described as one of the most historically inaccurate modern films.[5]

Sharon Krossa noted that the film contains numerous historical inaccuracies, beginning with the wearing of belted plaid by Wallace and his men. In that period "no Scots [...] wore belted plaids (let alone kilts of any kind)." Moreover, when Highlanders finally did begin wearing the belted plaid, it was not "in the rather bizarre style depicted in the film". She compares the inaccuracy to "a film about Colonial America showing the colonial men wearing 20th century business suits, but with the jackets worn back-to-front instead of the right way around."[52] In a previous essay about the film, she wrote, "The events aren't accurate, the dates aren't accurate, the characters aren't accurate, the names aren't accurate, the clothes aren't accurate—in short, just about nothing is accurate."[53] The belted plaid (feileadh mór léine) was not introduced until the 16th century.[54] Peter Traquair has referred to Wallace's "farcical representation as a wild and hairy highlander painted with woad (1,000 years too late) running amok in a tartan kilt (500 years too early)."[55] Wallace was a lowlander, so the mountains and glens of his home as depicted in the film are also inaccurate.

Irish historian Seán Duffy remarked "the battle of Stirling Bridge could have done with a bridge."[56]

In 2009, the film was second on a list of "most historically inaccurate movies" in The Times.[5] In the humorous non-fictional historiography An Utterly Impartial History of Britain (2007), author John O'Farrell claims that Braveheart could not have been more historically inaccurate, even if a Plasticine dog had been inserted in the film and the title changed to "William Wallace and Gromit".[57]

In the DVD audio commentary of Braveheart, Mel Gibson acknowledges many of the historical inaccuracies but defends his choices as director, noting that the way events were portrayed in the film was much more "cinematically compelling" than the historical fact or conventional mythos.[5]

Braveheart - Wikipedia

The 10 most historically inaccurate movies

Caroline White

1 U-571, 2000
Rather cynically, American screenwriter David Ayer depicted American rather than British naval officers capturing the first Enigma machine, “in order to drive the movie for an American audience.”

2 Braveheart, 1995
Not only was the Scottish hero William Wallace gruesomely executed in 1305, having been captured by the English at Falkirk, but seven centuries later his memory was exhumed, smeared with blue face paint and mutilated by Mel Gibson.

3 10,000 BC, 2008

4 The Patriot, 2000
Gibson (rugby) tackles history again with his turn as an honest farmer drawn into the American Revolutionary War, which historian David Hackett Fischer claimed in the New York Times “is to history as Godzilla was to biology.”

5 Pearl Harbour, 2001
The protagonists of Pearl Harbour, George Welch and Kenneth M. Taylor, are based on two real-life US Army Air Corps Second Lieutenants, but the film weaves such a wildly inaccurate account of their love lives and sky-swooping exploits, that the cinematic incarnations have been rendered fictional. B

6 Apocalypto, 2006
If you thought it strange that Apocalypto’s Mayans ransack a village of their own people for sacrificial victims and slaves, your suspicion was justified.

 

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I agree, he has looked good. Still makes too many WHL-level passes, but he's been good on the forecheck and leading plays in the O-zone, and has been *quick* in returning back to the D-zone to help break up plays, and help the defense.

In fact, his speed is what has impressed me the most so far this year - he seems a bit faster than I remember.
Yep. He’s by no means what I hope he can be, but he’s been better than I expected after such a long time off. He is skating well, which may make sense because I’d guess that’s something he was cleared for during much of his time out.
 
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JojoTheWhale

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So when I say things like, "We just get a little carried away with Provorov as a fanbase," what I mean is statements like him playing the toughest Minutes in the league. He plays tough Minutes. There's no need to get hyperbolic.

The fanbase did this with Gositsbehere to a degree too. It's Crosby passing the torch to Giroux all over again. Just be happy with having a good player.

I’m kind of curious where the same guys who bash on Provorov regularly, would place Ghost in the overall scheme of things in terms of d-men? Realistically, apart from one or two seasons, Ghost is a bottom pairing or heavily sheltered minutes dman on most teams. Yet, I somehow have a feeling there would be a few here who would place him ahead of Provy and closer to the elite, top 30 dman category. Talk about objectivity..

My elite tier would be a lot less than 30, but for the sake of clarity, I don't think the Flyers have a top tier Defenseman.
 

flyersnorth

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Just noticed that Blackwood is out under COVID protocol. The Debs have quite a few players out.

I was kinda looking forward to seeing Blackwood. He's 2 years older than Carter, but does have slightly better career numbers so far on much crappier teams. Also drafted in the 2nd round.

I'm sure I saw Blackwood in the past, but, you know... it's New Jersey so I wasn't paying attention.
 

deadhead

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So when I say things like, "We just get a little carried away with Provorov as a fanbase," what I mean is statements like him playing the toughest Minutes in the league. He plays tough Minutes. There's no need to get hyperbolic.

The fanbase did this with Gositsbehere to a degree too. It's Crosby passing the torch to Giroux all over again. Just be happy with having a good player.

My elite tier would be a lot less than 30, but for the sake of clarity, I don't think the Flyers have a top tier Defenseman.

Elite should be a small tier, or the term is meaningless.

I'd say Provorov is a top #2, Ghost is harder to place, at his best a #3 (even in 2017-18, the Pens exposed his defensive and physical limitations in the playoffs), the last couple years a 3rd pair guy. Hopefully he can get back to top four status this year.

Sanhiem - Myers are still under development, they could be a solid 1st pair down the road, right now I'd say they're a middle of the road 2nd pair (too many mistakes, but that's why experience is more important for D-men than forwards). I want to keep them together because I think they are better paired than their individual talents.
 

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:laugh: Look man, I was 2 years old when the movie came out and at no point in the following near 26 years have I ever had someone say to me "Hey, do you want to watch Bravehart?", so it's just never happened.

I'll get to it eventually - I have an IMDB Watchlist with 343 assorted movies and TV shows that I intend to watch - but I'm just a little behind. Shitposting on a hockey forum and watching godawful hockey takes up more time than you'd think.

Plus, with Mel Gibson having become a pariah since, I would think that fewer people would seek out his films. It's an interesting part of watching old(er) movies to consider who was in them and what has become of them since. We watched Jack (Robin Williams) after having subscribed to Disney Plus. Jack's tutor is played by Bill Cosby. Seeing him made me very sad.
 
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