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Where are these Lidström comments? I'd like to hear them.
Posted in the everything Swedish thread (2 or 3? I can't remember which.)
Where are these Lidström comments? I'd like to hear them.
Because I believe my own eyes.
I don't need a lecture from you. I've been higher on Johansson than you have from day one.
1) Hakan Andersson's glowing remarks.
2) Positive scouting reports
3) Dynamite play in the 3 on 3 tournament.
4) Positive rookie season in the SHL.
So I was already high on the guy.
But what I saw in the WJCs poked some holes in that. And I've downgraded my expectations.
I believed he was going to shine in that tournament.
Instead, he was largely ineffective.
He was weak, soft and indecisive defensively.
Offensively, he skated the puck beautifully to nowhere in particular.
Until I see Johansson play in a way that addresses my concerns - on North America ice - I'm going to temper my expectations.
So let's get this straight, you claimed people's opinions as your own, sprinkled in a little 3 on 3, had no interest in watching him during his draft year, certainly never watched him in Sweden in his D+1 year, admitted to having not watched much if any SHL hockey in his D+2 year.
And you have been consistent in your shitting on him exclusively for a short tournament this season...and you want people to believe you when you say that "I liked him more than you."
You've never actually watched him to have an opinion that you formulated yourself, so how does that work?
So let's get this straight,
And you have been consistent in your shitting on him exclusively for a short tournament this season...and you want people to believe you when you say that "I liked him more than you."
You've never actually watched him to have an opinion that you formulated yourself, so how does that work?
Loaned again to Farjestad next season
Little surprised
Loaned again to Farjestad next season
Little surprised
I would not be surprised if Yzerman isn’t too happy with how GR has been developing players.I feel like maybe things are shifting with regards to the organization's philosphy on where these guys have to develop. Wouldnt surprise me if they feel that he will develop just fine playing overseas versus doing the GR route. If he does well enough, he could just step into the NHL like Mo.
He's also got access to Kronwall over there. I'd love to see Johansson dominate over there before coming over to the AHL.I'm actually a fan of this. He had a good year. Can he do it again? Maybe be even better?
NA hockey is a much more physical game, and at some point he's gonna have to make the jump. I suppose waiting another year isn't a big deal, but that team's name always reminds me of this guy:Were you expecting him to play in Detroit or GR?
I don't think he should be in the NHL and can't see a reason for GR versus Färjestad for one more year. He's right at that breakthrough point where next season he could develop into an elite two-way d-man in the SHL. With a big role on a strong Färjestad team and the large rink, I think we could see him make those offensive flashes a consistent part of his game while further developing his defense (still needs work + strength). If those things happen, he could even be ready to go right to Detroit.
I thought he might head to GRWere you expecting him to play in Detroit or GR?
I don't think he should be in the NHL and can't see a reason for GR versus Färjestad for one more year. He's right at that breakthrough point where next season he could develop into an elite two-way d-man in the SHL. With a big role on a strong Färjestad team and the large rink, I think we could see him make those offensive flashes a consistent part of his game while further developing his defense (still needs work + strength). If those things happen, he could even be ready to go right to Detroit.
I thought he might head to GR
Were you expecting him to play in Detroit or GR?
I don't think he should be in the NHL and can't see a reason for GR versus Färjestad for one more year. He's right at that breakthrough point where next season he could develop into an elite two-way d-man in the SHL. With a big role on a strong Färjestad team and the large rink, I think we could see him make those offensive flashes a consistent part of his game while further developing his defense (still needs work + strength). If those things happen, he could even be ready to go right to Detroit.
I don't think it makes much sense to compare how long prospects spend in whatever leagues.I was expecting him to play in Grand Rapids and start learning the North American game.
I'm not sure it's wise to expect a ton of offensive development. You see a guy like Stecher. That might be the kind of ceiling to see in Johansson offensive game.
And that's just fine IF he develops his defensive game.
Year 3 of the SHL doesn't sound so great for development.
I know Kronwall was there 3 years post draft, but he was 5'10 when he was drafted.
Loaned again to Farjestad next season
Little surprised
I don't think it makes much sense to compare how long prospects spend in whatever leagues.
In general, I believe pretty strongly in not rushing prospects out of places where they still have a lot to learn, are given a proper role and face strong enough competition - especially if it also involves moving to another country. It's just unnecessary friction in the developmental process. Obviously it's a case by case thing and there are exceptions.
Ultimately, if they're good enough to develop into impact NHLers they will probably do so regardless of where their pre-NHL years are spent, assuming proper ice time and coaching. Us not rushing Europeans to GR also means more room for North American prospects who really have no other options after junior/college.
Year 1 he was at 12 minutes per game.Year 3 of the SHL doesn't sound so great for development.
I know Kronwall was there 3 years post draft, but he was 5'10 when he was drafted.
I'm guessing that Cotton stays with his team as an over-ager, each WHL team is allowed 3.He was good enough to be considered for the Swedish roster.
He's played two full years of Swedish pro.
There's no reason to believe he would be "rushed" to Grand Rapids.
Outside of Alex Cotton, which NA prospects are in a roster pickle?
This kid is going to need to learn to use that skating in NHL sized rinks in an north American league.
Not only that, but having Johansson along with Berggren and Raymond might be beneficial for all 3 Swedes.