Prospect Info: 6 scouts sacked -Gare-MACGREGOR -Davis-Hawley-Samenko-Moores

OilTastic

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A 5th grader with the ISS list could have done better by selecting the highest name remaining on the list with each pick. The Oilers needed to show that they were 'smarter' than everyone else.

^actually, that's a good point! in some of the mocks i have played here over the years, i use the NHL.com's CSS rankings, and they have the top 210 NA players, the top 50 or so Euros, and the top NA goalie list and top Euro goalie list. it has been a great reference guide for me, and although i'm not always taking the 'BPA' religiously, i tend to more or less follow the list! and unless i'm in the later rounds, i rarely take an off the board pick because of what we oiler fans have been through with that here with our scouts and management.
 

redgrant

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Would anyone have a list of the scouts involved the disastrous 2007 draft? I know that was MacGregor's first year so have no idea how people saying things have gotten better with him.
 

Tarus

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Would anyone have a list of the scouts involved the disastrous 2007 draft? I know that was MacGregor's first year so have no idea how people saying things have gotten better with him.

Mcgregor's first year was 08, with the eberle pick
 

Burnt Biscuits

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Would anyone have a list of the scouts involved the disastrous 2007 draft? I know that was MacGregor's first year so have no idea how people saying things have gotten better with him.
Of the remaining scouts:

Bob Brown's first season was 02/03
Jim Crosson's first season was 10/11
Joseph Cucci's first season was 12/13
Bill Dandy's first season was 00/01
Pelle Eklund's first season was 10/11
Scott Harlow's first season was 10/11
Dave Heitz's first season was 12/13
Frank Musil's first season was 00/01
Robert Nordmark's first season was 09/10
Matti Virmanen's first season was 10/11

all info from Eliteprospects.
 

oilz89*

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Of the remaining scouts:

Bob Brown's first season was 02/03
Jim Crosson's first season was 10/11
Joseph Cucci's first season was 12/13
Bill Dandy's first season was 00/01
Pelle Eklund's first season was 10/11
Scott Harlow's first season was 10/11
Dave Heitz's first season was 12/13
Frank Musil's first season was 00/01
Robert Nordmark's first season was 09/10
Matti Virmanen's first season was 10/11

all info from Eliteprospects.

Eklund??? Fire him
 

Burnt Biscuits

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He was stinking it up long before that.

He's been a scout for us since the 2000/01 season and was named head amateur scout in 2007/08 season.

Also in discussing the Eberle pick and crediting it to MacGregor, more credit is owed to Lorne Davis, Eberle grew up on the same street as the Davis family and his kids played hockey with Eberle. He apparently fought extremely hard to pick him and then died before the draft took place, so the pick was essentially dedicated to him for his nearly 3 decades of service as an Oiler scout.

If anyone wasn't aware the recently fired Brad Davis is Lorne Davis's son.
 

BarDownBobo

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The thing is, 2014 is just looking like a bad draft year as a whole. As bad as Bouchard looks, just look at who other teams took. Arizona took Jared Fiegl, a forward who put up 1 point last season. What irks me is that we didn't take a chance on Tkachev, when we were clearly very interested, and now we have to use a pick in a better draft, if we want him

Apparently the Oil had little interest in Tkachev. The only reason he was at camp in the first place was the Moncton GM or Tkachev's agent gave MacT a call asking if the Oil would bring him to camp.
 
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Apparently the Oil had little interest in Tkachev. The only reason he was at camp in the first place was the Moncton GM or Tkachev's agent gave MacT a call asking if the Oil would bring him to camp.

He was very likely the best player on the ice for the Oilers at the prospect tourney. I dont know what that says about the players we DID draft, but you can draw your own conclusions.
 

Zaddy

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The thing is, 2014 is just looking like a bad draft year as a whole. As bad as Bouchard looks, just look at who other teams took. Arizona took Jared Fiegl, a forward who put up 1 point last season. What irks me is that we didn't take a chance on Tkachev, when we were clearly very interested, and now we have to use a pick in a better draft, if we want him

I agree the 2014 draft year as a whole was not very good but there was still some pretty good bets to make if you would've been smart. For instance, I don't mind Lagesson as a prospect and he wasn't a reach I don't think but considering the depth of LHD's and the absolute abysmal goaltending pipeline, why the hell didn't we take Ville Husso with that pick? I had him pegged in the 3rd round and was ecstatic when he was still around for our pick, yet we go for a guy we don't need, doesn't have huge upside and is, in my eyes, not a better prospect than Husso.

Considering we took 2 goalies later in the draft the management must have considered it a weakness too and wanted to adress it. Why not adress it with a legit prospect instead of one maybe and one very bad prospect? It just makes no sense to me. Similarly, with the next pick we select Liam Coughlin. A guy who is a mega longshot for an NHL career and even if he would beat the odds he is going to be a fringe guy.

Here I was, again, ecstatic that Dysin Mayo was still available and felt he was just a slam dunk pick. We need RHD's, he's one of the best prospects, if not the best, still available (some scouts had him ranked in the 3rd round and we were in the 5th now...) and he had just been on the Oil Kings team that won the Memorial Cup. Why on earth would you favor a nothing special BCHLer over this kid? It just doesn't make sense to me.

And that's just these two picks, I could easily debate the others too and say that there were much better prospects available than the ones we took and that's not hindsight, anyone who followed junior hockey at all could have told you that on draft day.
 

Dorian2

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It seems to me that McGregor was pretty lucky to last this long. Were the blinders put on by the powers that be when Ebs was picked, with credit going to McGregor (who apparently probably didn't deserve such credit.) Talk about riding a picks coattails. They were pretty long coattails for sure. Then the laundry list of 1st rounders in Hall, Nuge, Yaks Drai, Klef, Nurse etc.

I think so far Lander is the only later pick to work out so far...maybe Marincin, but not sure. And we also shouldn't forget the ****s and giggles that were had by us during Linus Omark's tenure here. Where was the scouting outlash on that debacle?

I'm glad these guys are finally being weeded out for the failures that they are and were.
 

Aequitas

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Without a doubt. He's a family friend of the Riley Nash for 07(another BCHL pick), which can probably be attributed to Stu.

I was just pointing out that he didn't become a head scout in full control until 2008

Well nash is an nhl player so that's not a good example of a bad pick. Bad handling of assets maybe.
 

TheRebuild

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I'd say, the only reason why Riley Nash is an NHLer today is the Carolina Hurricanes made him into one. It's a double edged sword when both your scouting and development were absolute trash. Thankfully the development has improved, hopefully the scouting will now.
 

Aequitas

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I'd say, the only reason why Riley Nash is an NHLer today is the Carolina Hurricanes made him into one. It's a double edged sword when both your scouting and development were absolute trash. Thankfully the development has improved, hopefully the scouting will now.

I'd argue that if you think Riley nash isn't an NHLer with the oilers but is with a team who develops players then scouting isn't the issue development is.
 

smokersarejokers

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I have a hard time defending previous oilers management and scouting regimes, but I recall Nash wanting out before the oilers had a chance to develop him. Maybe he would've been worse, maybe better. We don't know.

I seem to recall the oilers trying to get him to play in the whl and Nash getting all pissed off about it.
 

Paralyzer008

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Reorganization in EDM continues. More scouting terminations expected today. Stay tuned. - Mark Spector.

Here we go....
 

rosemount289

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This is what amazes...............???

Reorganization in EDM continues. More scouting terminations expected today. Stay tuned. - Mark Spector.

Here we go....

This is what amazes me......all these haters of Lowe and MacTavish........more for their personality and their style, and the way they talk......yet not a peep about the scouting (amateur and pros).
 
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*Flush

keep flushing

bust out the plunger if you need to

Yes, that is a better choice of words. Go down the drain.

This is what amazes me......all these haters of Lowe and MacTavish........more for their personality and their style, and the way they talk......yet not a peep about the scouting (amateur and pros).

To be frank, everything is wrong with the Oilers. There's very few people who deserve to keep their job. Seeing the great purge warms my heart. This is exactly what I've been calling for.
 

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