Proposal: 4th -> 1st
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Local media is no issue. What local media, lol.
It's about had core fans. Such media as there is will almost certainly defend the pick.
If NYI pick Schaefer, it doesn't mean they're closed for business.
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The value difference between 1OA & 4OA is ~44.7 point in value according to the pick value table on Puckpedia. That point value is equal to the #6OA pick.
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The long Island media. Local sports talk radio. Whoever covers the Islanders on social media.
If they pick Schaefer and I think they will, will of course mean they used the #1 pick.
I think it doubtful, they'd use it to select Hagen
Long Island is subsumed under the auspices of Greater NY Metro media. That's why the Islanders disappear. They'll be talking Mets & Yankees in June, and will hardly notice the NHL draft, much less the Islanders at the NHL draft.
And local media people aren't big on home town heroes. New Yorkers, by and large, are from everywhere, so the home town angle is really not as big a deal as you'd think. The only thing that NYI will pay significant attention to is attendance, and maybe TV ratings. Tbh I think the whole Carmelo Anthony & Stephon Marbury thing killed whatever sentiment for that kind of thing there was city-wide.
It's about hard core fans who buy tickets, and them alone.
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Value seems way off. It would cost at least Iginla to move up from #4 to #1. Especially since there is no guarantee Hagens would be available at #4
miscs75
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This will gain traction in the local market for outside of the active teams. The Isles have the first pick and the whole Hagens ordeal is a big sell for the Long Island news outlets. The only way I see if getting pushed down quite a bit is if the Knicks win the next 2 rounds and make it into the championship. That’ll blow past the MLB for sure.
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I don't think it's worth it for us to trade up from 4th to 1st in this year's draft. What would actually be a reasonable add for us to send to Long Island in exchange for the privilege of moving up would be more than I'm comfortable giving up to move up three spots.
I've said it elsewhere, but that said, I could see us being good trading partners with the Islanders for something else, just not an exchange of first round picks this year.
I've said it elsewhere, but that said, I could see us being good trading partners with the Islanders for something else, just not an exchange of first round picks this year.
I think the media angle is the wrong angle to consider. As I said elsewhere, the people I know who really care about the local Hagens angle are youth sports famlies. And for them it's really important, which isn't surprising. My guess is that these people are probably more important to the Islanders than a similar group would be to the Rangers just because they are a higher percentage of the current fanbase, and also include the future fan base.
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tf? offer was made by a Utah fan. no one has any leverage but the Isles as they have the most valuable position here.
you want Misa that bad? pay the price to move up. IMO it would be 4th OA + Iginla + something else. Which is why these trades do not happen.
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Remove the junk, and make it 4th + Iginla
That’s what it takes to entice a GM to move up to first overall, so not worth it imo.
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It's just the optics of a local kid from a small community like Long Island having a shot to truly play for the local franchise right from the start. It would have been just as big if the year McAvoy got drafted he was going to the Isles or Rangers. Not really saying people will ultimately care but they'll sell it as such and it'll get some random viewers and people locally to possibly tune in for the first pick to see if the Islanders take that local kid. Not quite the Anthony Volpe level big but still somewhat notable.
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It's more so the teams desperate enough to move up to 1 to take Schaefer or Misa and entice the Isles with the right quality in order to have them move down. If a team in the top 4 wants one of those two and is 100% positive the Islanders can still get the other player they want by moving down then its worth it for the Isles. For the Isles to move down to 4 and miss out on essentially all of Hagens, Misa and Schaefer; the offset would have to be massive.
Draft pick value charts work better for the NFL than the NHL. With hockey it really does come down to the year.
It depends on what the Islanders' intentions are. I think there's a misconception that if a team offers up enough draft pick value then the other team would say yes. Typically teams trading down are doing so because they can still land their intended target while adding a couple assets. With regards to Utah, it would depend on whether San Jose or Chicago wanted to move up for Schaefer as well.
The handful of times we've seen a top 2 pick moved:
1993: San Jose traded #2 to Hartford for #6, #45, #58, Sergei Makarov - For better or worse the Sharks decided to take Viktor Kozlov instead of Chris Pronger because they wanted a franchise center.
1998: San Jose traded #2 and #85 to Nashville for #3 and #29 - San Jose had drafted Patrick Marleau the previous year so they thought David Legwand was a redundant piece / they wanted a cornerstone D. Meanwhile Nashville was in its first draft and wanted a presumed high scoring forward to be the face of the franchise.
1999: Tampa Bay traded #1 to Vancouver for #4, #75, and #88 - It was a year without a consensus #1. Most figured Tampa was going to get a winger for Vinny Lecavalier so they'd be debating between Daniel Sedin or Pavel Brendl. After the fact, Tampa GM Rick Dudley said they would have taken Brendl had they kept the pick. Dudley waited to see if Brian Burke would improve his meager offer. Simultaneously Dudley shopped the pick outright and worked out a deal with the Rangers who also wanted Brendl. The morning of the draft, Dudley agreed to Vancouver's offer since he was now a middle man to deliver Brendl to the Rangers.
2003: Florida traded #1 and #73 to Pittsburgh for #3, #55, and Mikael Samuelsson - Florida won the lottery and had Nathan Horton atop their list. Dudley, now GM in Florida, figured he could trade down a spot or two and still get Horton. He tried to drum up a bidding war between Carolina and Pittsburgh but eventually settled on a forgettable offer from the Penguins.
4thOA+ -> 2ndOA
then 4thOA -> Dobson+
NYI drafts Schaefer & Hagens, trades Dobson (no idea what the plus is)
SJ trades 2nd OA and pick up +s from Utah & NYI to make the trade work and Dobson.
then 4thOA -> Dobson+
NYI drafts Schaefer & Hagens, trades Dobson (no idea what the plus is)
SJ trades 2nd OA and pick up +s from Utah & NYI to make the trade work and Dobson.
