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GDT: #42 ⋅ ANA @ PHI ⋅ 4:00 PM PST

I think he COULD be fired and is generally a bad coach at this point.

But the board has now convinced themselves that Verbeek thinks we’re underperforming expectations and therefore Cronin WILL be fired

Honestly, it feels like wishful thinking. We have no evidence unfortunately that Verbeek is unhappy with what’s occurring.

He could be fired or he could be hung onto for a lot longer than people want to even think about IMO. We will see
I get it, you hate verbeek too. That’s fine. But to think that a guy like him whos been in hockey his entire life, isn’t aware of what’s going on. And that we hockey boards fans are. That’s laughable. He announced that eakins wouldn’t return as coach I believe around yrade deadline? Same will happen this season. I take verbeek at face value when he says he wants there to be meaningful games being played come March. As long as that’s not the case, Cronin is 100% fired. Thompson somehow got a pass too. He will be fired also, klune as a first time nhl coach probably was given a 1 year contract( given he has no experience and leverage ) he will also be gone. Why? Because that’s what a GM has to do, to excuse himself, keep his job and improve his team
 
I get it, you hate verbeek too. That’s fine. But to think that a guy like him whos been in hockey his entire life, isn’t aware of what’s going on. And that we hockey boards fans are. That’s laughable. He announced that eakins wouldn’t return as coach I believe around yrade deadline? Same will happen this season. I take verbeek at face value when he says he wants there to be meaningful games being played come March. As long as that’s not the case, Cronin is 100% fired. Thompson somehow got a pass too. He will be fired also, klune as a first time nhl coach probably was given a 1 year contract( given he has no experience and leverage ) he will also be gone. Why? Because that’s what a GM has to do, to excuse himself, keep his job and improve his team
I don’t hate Verbeek at all

Like it or not Cronin has only been here 1.5 seasons. It’s possible Pat believes a fair chance at success is more time than that

That’s all I’m saying
 
People should also keep in mind that just saying he could be having a better year (like Cutter) isn’t giving up on him or calling it a bad pick or something.

Mainly my concern is that our young forwards are all flat or regressing. It’s not just the big names, Lundy’s taken a step back too IMO. It matters not just for now but for kids who are hitting that part of the development curve (like Colangelo) and risk running headlong into the Cronin developmental meatgrinder.
yeah exactly. I’m talking about this year and I think those who criticize Leo almost always are well. He’s been disappointing this year but I still think he’ll be good is pretty much the gist of it. It’s a critical distinction and is almost always the source of arguments on here.
 
It’s certainly possible
I mean like you said well see... i just dont see enough positive change(if any) in any of the young guys to warrant keeping him around.

PV is starting to get pretty close to the point where the fingers are going to start pointing at him.... idk that hes going to want to die on the cronin hill. (id say he prob has 2 more offseasons before his job is in question).
 
yeah exactly. I’m talking about this year and I think those who criticize Leo almost always are well. He’s been disappointing this year but I still think he’ll be good is pretty much the gist of it. It’s a critical distinction and is almost always the source of arguments on here.

You have been one of his biggest critics. It’s over the top. Cronin is killing this kid and anyone with any sense of hockey can see this.
 
I don’t hate Verbeek at all

Like it or not Cronin has only been here 1.5 seasons. It’s possible Pat believes a fair chance at success is more time than that
Recebtly, Friedman, around the time the Cronin and yandle story broke. Said verbeek was contemplating firing Cronin this summer. But brought in klune( a player friendly guy ) to help him. Klune has a power play dead last in the league, all season. Cronin season 2 is his only chance at redemption. I’ll die on this cross. I understand given how difficult it’s been these past seasons to be a duck fan. And it’s easy for us to always think the absolute worst. But verbeek bringing Cronin back, opens up the possibility that verbeek and Cronin both get fired the following season together given verbeek continues to back Cronin ( and if it doesn’t work he’s super on the hook) verbeek has no reason to do that to himself. I think verbeek likes being a gm
 
You have been one of his biggest critics. It’s over the top. Cronin is killing this kid and anyone with any sense of hockey can see this.
You can think that but I always point out when he makes a nice play.

I don’t think I’m a “big” critic at all. A big critic would be questioning his long-term viability in the league. Which some on here have done but I don’t see you going after them at all.
 
I love how every game this team sucks it’s instantly “Cronin needs to go”, and yet the team just came off a solid stretch and there’s zero mention that Cronin could possibly have something to do with that. It goes both ways.

The team wasn’t skating and dug themselves a hole. Some onus for that goes on the players. It’s embarrassing the effort they put out tonight on a night they knew their teammate was under a microscope.

One thing is for sure….this team looks a lot different offensively with no Terry or Zegras.
 
Yeah expectations are generally quite low for him this year on here. I think there’s only a couple of us willing to say something and we’re always generating a ton of pushback lol.

I think he’s been disappointing and it’s wrong to blame it all on the coach and/or coaching decisions (line mates/system). It absolves him of responsibility when 80% of his performance is determined by him. And that goes for every single player that’s ever played.
When a kid is this young, a coaches decisions on deployment and their guidance in helping a kid improve their play and correct their mistakes matters. Prospects rarely step in and are ready to perform in this league without much guidance and development. We're talking about a 20 year old kid who has spent his whole hockey playing life playing a very different style of hockey in Europe.

Let's look at Michkov as an example. To start his career he was playing with guys like Konecny and Tippett and his numbers were really good and made a lot of people wonder if he was better than Bedard. Then Torts moved him down into the bottom 6 to play with players he has no chemistry with. After that happened, including tonight's goal he has 3 points in his last ten games. Sound familiar to anyone you know?

Of course some blame belongs with Leo for not just sucking it up and figuring it out himself but these teams pay development staffs to help transitioning young players work on their mistakes to foster their development. Sometimes a head coach is hired with the express goal of developing the youth on a young rebuilding team.

The issue seems to be that 1) Leo needs better strength and conditioning; 2 Leo is playing without confidence and doesn't seem to have any chemistry with his linemates including the guy he's played most of his NHL career with: 3) Leo keeps making the same mistakes.

As to 1, that can't really improve in a meaningful sense until the offseason and we all hope his offseason strength/conditioning training pays off big.

2) there's a lot of intangibles that go into fixing a player's confidence but ultimately the best thing that could help would be a better environment in the locker room and more pucks going in off goals or assists from the kid. But as to chemistry, I mean Leo has been stapled to Killorn going back to last season and it's a big enough sample to say pretty confidently that they do not have any chemistry with each other. But the pairing persists because Killorn is a veteran. Yet that veteran presence seems to be of zero benefit.

The third issue, his repeating the same mistakes, to me, is an issue shared between Leo and the coaches. Yes he needs to try new approaches on his own, but it doesn't seem that he's getting coached on which approaches would work best for his physical stature and playstyle. So he shows up every game trying the same things over and over and making the same mistakes. I think you're underselling the importance of coaching in developing a young player's habits and tendencies.
 
You can think that but I always point out when he makes a nice play.

I don’t think I’m a “big” critic at all. A big critic would be questioning his long-term viability in the league. Which some on here have done but I don’t see you going after them at all.

He has no chemistry with Killorn, even when Leo has very good games he still can’t produce. When you don’t produce you get frustrated and then say to yourself what’s the point of even trying to produce.

A good coach would see that but he continues to roll the same lines. I’m willing to bet the lines are the same tomorrow even after getting shut out by the team who gives up the most goals in the league.
 
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I love how every game this team sucks it’s instantly “Cronin needs to go”, and yet the team just came off a solid stretch and there’s zero mention that Cronin could possibly have something to do with that. It goes both ways.

The team wasn’t skating and dug themselves a hole. Some onus for that goes on the players. It’s embarrassing the effort they put out tonight on a night they knew their teammate was under a microscope.

One thing is for sure….this team looks a lot different offensively with no Terry or Zegras.

Inflated by one line and been carried by goaltending all year that has faltered at the start of the trip.

I will agree that I don’t put the lack of aggression and battle on the coach though. That’s on the players, get in the fight and stand up for one another for God’s sake, don’t let your 20 year old rookie get pushed around relentlessly in a hostile environment with no response
 
I love how every game this team sucks it’s instantly “Cronin needs to go”, and yet the team just came off a solid stretch and there’s zero mention that Cronin could possibly have something to do with that. It goes both ways.

The team wasn’t skating and dug themselves a hole. Some onus for that goes on the players. It’s embarrassing the effort they put out tonight on a night they knew their teammate was under a microscope.

One thing is for sure….this team looks a lot different offensively with no Terry or Zegras.

No. Even during the win streak , my mind wasn’t changed. Those so called good teams played down to the Ducks and good goaltending kept them in those games and a streaky bunch were able to score some goals.

If this team needs one player to win games in Troy Terry that’s not good.
 
is there something in the water in Philly? like how are actual adults this pressed over a kid not wanting to play for them? are they actually just neanderthals?
There has to be something in the water or they are raised to be terrible human beings. Passed through Philadelphia once when I was stationed on the East Coast, hated every bit of it, trashiest place I've ever been, the people included. That's why this game and this stuff doesn't surprise me one bit:
 
i guess. he could at least have a reason for wanting to fight instead of just "im gonna fight you cause the fans are babies about you not wanting to play here"

We don't know what led to the exchange, shit was chippy all night.

All I know is none of us would care if Gudas did that to Michkov.
 
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I just got back to my hotel room from the game. It was a total embarrassment. The staff at the arena was good and they were kind to me and my wife so I’m appreciative on that account.

Philly fans, on the other hand, certainly have earned their reputation. Booing Cutter was expected but laughing at Dumo and mocking him when he could have been injured was the Philadelphia scumminess that is as synonymous with that city as the Liberty Bell.

As for any take away from this game, obviously firing Cronin is beyond despite but I’m starting to more seriously question Verbeek. Right now, all I’m seeing is a GM who fails to admit his mistakes which is in my view a fatal flaw.
 
I love how every game this team sucks it’s instantly “Cronin needs to go”, and yet the team just came off a solid stretch and there’s zero mention that Cronin could possibly have something to do with that. It goes both ways.

The team wasn’t skating and dug themselves a hole. Some onus for that goes on the players. It’s embarrassing the effort they put out tonight on a night they knew their teammate was under a microscope.

One thing is for sure….this team looks a lot different offensively with no Terry or Zegras.
Well after the turd sandwich of the St. Louis loss, I think it's fair to scrutinize the coaching in their response to an embarassing loss. The response being an even more embarrassing loss is as big an indictment on the quality behind the bench as you're gonna see.

Edit: but let's take it a step further. What adjustments did you see the team make between the three periods? Anything at all? Cause from my view, it looked like nothing changed between periods and they just caved to a mediocre team and failed to put a single goal past one of the worst goalies in the league. Not worst back up. Worst goalie. There's only two who were worse before tonight, including backups and third strings. And he's their de facto starter.
 
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michkov deserved a beating after how he celebrated a 5-0 goal like he won the cup.
The old ducks rteams, each of getzlaf Perry and Kesler all would at least slash and jab michkov in the face for that. Carlyle wouldn’t stand for that shit either. Hell, I don’t think eakins would either.
 
I just got back to my hotel room from the game. It was a total embarrassment. The staff at the arena was good and they were kind to me and my wife so I’m appreciative on that account.

Philly fans, on the other hand, certainly have earned their reputation. Booing Cutter was expected but laughing at Dumo and mocking him when he could have been injured was the Philadelphia scumminess that is as synonymous with that city as the Liberty Bell.

As for any take away from this game, obviously firing Cronin is beyond despite but I’m starting to more seriously question Verbeek. Right now, all I’m seeing is a GM who fails to admit his mistakes which is in my view a fatal flaw.
Yeah I've reached that point. Cronin probably fairly earned himself some grace with that run of wins but after this, there should be no length left on the leash.
 
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michkov deserved a beating after how he celebrated a 5-0 goal like he won the cup.

So then you admit it has nothing to do with a grown man promising to fight a 20 yr old rookie... it has to do with our feelings towards our players vs theirs.

Cutter should have dropped him right then and there, but he was playing scared all night. They did their job, threw him off and took him out of the game.
 

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