Prospect Info: 41OA: Trey Augustine

jaster

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Ras definitely felt like a swing for the fences pick. If he hits, we win big. If he doesn't...well, we get what we got, which isn't a horrible player at all. I know folks will bang the drum for Necas and Suzuki, still, but the only other guy taken after Ras in the 1st that I would definitely swap him for is Oettinger...
I hear you, and although I don't think Necas is a world-beater, there is no way, if he and Ras were both FAs right now and the Wings could pick one, I wouldn't pick Necas. There is nothing Ras does better than Necas except maybe kill penalties? Necas put up 71 points last season.
 

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Ras definitely felt like a swing for the fences pick. If he hits, we win big. If he doesn't...well, we get what we got, which isn't a horrible player at all. I know folks will bang the drum for Necas and Suzuki, still, but the only other guy taken after Ras in the 1st that I would definitely swap him for is Oettinger...
I think I would take Norris and Thomas over him too. I agree though that Oettinger is the best player taken after him.
 

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He feels like a Jonathan Quick-type pro. Very similar numbers in the NCAA in D+1 season.

Augustine - 2.97 GAA / .916 SV% in 17 games in the NCAA
Quick - 2.98 GAA / .920 SV% in 17 games in the NCAA
Yeah i've been saying that. He has the same type of build. If he can have the same lateral movement as quick did, then this is a home run pick. Always hated playing LA because of how good quick was with his lateral movement. if you get him moving it doesn't matter, you need to aim in the top corners every time or that puck is just not going in.
 

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Yeah i've been saying that. He has the same type of build. If he can have the same lateral movement as quick did, then this is a home run pick. Always hated playing LA because of how good quick was with his lateral movement. if you get him moving it doesn't matter, you need to aim in the top corners every time or that puck is just not going in.
With the addendum of learning how to better rein it in when necessary. It's a balance of being able to do it, but not putting yourself out of position too early (or too often).

I'm not concerned about it. Just noting it as a normal (but mandatory) part of the continued development.
 

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With the addendum of learning how to better rein it in when necessary. It's a balance of being able to do it, but not putting yourself out of position too early (or too often).

I'm not concerned about it. Just noting it as a normal (but mandatory) part of the continued development.
Look if he becomes a quick, I'm not going to complain at all. We won't need to worry about cross ice passes that much.
 

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Again, emphasizing how terrible Tyler Wright is at drafting. Selecting Rasmussen in an effort to get tougher is a terrible pick considering, given his size, Rasmussen is a wet noodle.
I think the Ras pick was less about "getting tougher" and more about "look, a big guy who can score, very projectable!" Except his scoring was all on the PP, and his size being an advantage for him never really played out.

Now we just have blank-stare-looks-pissed-but-does-nothing-to-the-opponent guy.
I was going to say I'm shocked Tyler Wright still has a job, but it appears he does not.

That is the worst director of amateur scouting we have had since I've followed this team AINEC.... as they like to say on here.
 
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I hear you, and although I don't think Necas is a world-beater, there is no way, if he and Ras were both FAs right now and the Wings could pick one, I wouldn't pick Necas. There is nothing Ras does better than Necas except maybe kill penalties? Necas put up 71 points last season.

He gets fed a ton of PP time, too. At ES their production doesn't pace all that different, but it's also not a hill I'd die on. @Rzombo4 prez brings up Thomas and Norris, who I could also see people taking over Ras. But that goalie is the only one I'd care enough to go to bat over.
 

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He gets fed a ton of PP time, too. At ES their production doesn't pace all that different, but it's also not a hill I'd die on. @Rzombo4 prez brings up Thomas and Norris, who I could also see people taking over Ras. But that goalie is the only one I'd care enough to go to bat over.

I mean if even strength production is your thing you absolutely should for Robert Thomas

he's tied for third in the entire league in even strength points this year behind only MacKinnon and Kucherov
 
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He gets fed a ton of PP time, too. At ES their production doesn't pace all that different, but it's also not a hill I'd die on. @Rzombo4 prez brings up Thomas and Norris, who I could also see people taking over Ras. But that goalie is the only one I'd care enough to go to bat over.
Necas scores almost 50% more than Ras at ES, going by career numbers (about 0.49 ppg vs 0.34 ppg). You're gonna die on this hill!

Anyway, in a redraft of players taken at #9 and later, I might take Oettinger at #1 as well, but I'd also take Necas, Suzuki, Norris, and Thomas before Ras too, without blinking. All are on another level.
 

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Yeah i've been saying that. He has the same type of build. If he can have the same lateral movement as quick did, then this is a home run pick. Always hated playing LA because of how good quick was with his lateral movement. if you get him moving it doesn't matter, you need to aim in the top corners every time or that puck is just not going in.

Augustine has the "elite athleticism" that people on here claim Cossa has. Augustine is very fast in net. I have high hopes for this kid.
 

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Augustine has the "elite athleticism" that people on here claim Cossa has. Augustine is very fast in net. I have high hopes for this kid.
His technical game is what impresses me even more. He's so polished and positionally sound, looks like a pro already in that regard. Also, he looks mad confident. But I take that last part with a grain of salt. I thought the same about Mrazek's confidence in his WJC performance, and that trait didn't play out so well lol.
 

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His technical game is what impresses me even more. He's so polished and positionally sound, looks like a pro already in that regard. Also, he looks mad confident. But I take that last part with a grain of salt. I thought the same about Mrazek's confidence in his WJC performance, and that trait didn't play out so well lol.

Mrazek was always a bit of a wild card in net though. I never thought of him as technically sound in all the years I watched him. Incredibly fast. Could make highlight saves. Gave up bigger rebounds than anyone I've seen in Detroit. Seemed leaky when trying to stop routine shots.

When I watched MSU and the WJC this season I saw the speed from Augustine, but he's getting to the right spot to make himself big. That technical proficiency at 18 is several years ahead of where you'd expect it to be. I don't think I saw him give up a single bad goal.
 
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His technical game is what impresses me even more. He's so polished and positionally sound, looks like a pro already in that regard. Also, he looks mad confident. But I take that last part with a grain of salt. I thought the same about Mrazek's confidence in his WJC performance, and that trait didn't play out so well lol.

I like that he hasn't taped his stick since the Spartans' start of fall practice.
 
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jaster

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Mrazek was always a bit of a wild card in net though. I never thought of him as technically sound in all the years I watched him. Incredibly fast. Could make highlight saves. Gave up bigger rebounds than anyone I've seen in Detroit. Seemed leaky when trying to stop routine shots.

When I watched MSU and the WJC this season I saw the speed from Augustine, but he's getting to the right spot to make himself big. That technical proficiency at 18 is several years ahead of where you'd expect it to be. I don't think I saw him give up a single bad goal.
Sorry, with Mrazek I meant the high confidence was similar. Otherwise yeah, totally different style goalie than Augustine.

I like that he hasn't taped his stick since the Spartans' start of fall practice.
Goalies gonna goalie :laugh:
 

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Mrazek was always a bit of a wild card in net though. I never thought of him as technically sound in all the years I watched him. Incredibly fast. Could make highlight saves. Gave up bigger rebounds than anyone I've seen in Detroit. Seemed leaky when trying to stop routine shots.

When I watched MSU and the WJC this season I saw the speed from Augustine, but he's getting to the right spot to make himself big. That technical proficiency at 18 is several years ahead of where you'd expect it to be. I don't think I saw him give up a single bad goal.
Definitely agree on the technically sound part, as technically sound goalies aren't so bipolar in their performance. He was athletic and reactionary and when he was on, it was great but you couldn't count on it. And as for the rebound point, to be sure he was not good, but there were worse. Tim cheveldae comes to mind.
 

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Obviously Kenny picked Raz because he thought he was a big bodied skilled player. The difference is Steve obviously has a better eye for talent. And Kenny was placing size over skill.

If you disagree with me you can go take a look at how deep that draft was and see that he brutally missed on about 10 other players better than Raz including otter. Some of those players are 6'3"
I'm fairly certain Holland had come out and stated that they focused on size for that entire draft. That was their plan all along. I think it's what had people foaming at the mouth in here around that time. It was pretty clear right away, they had missed out on talent that year. Add that to Raz being the highest Wings pick since Lapointe, and the first pick of the 'rebuild.' ANNNND well, we've seen how most felt.
 

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I'm fairly certain Holland had come out and stated that they focused on size for that entire draft. That was their plan all along. I think it's what had people foaming at the mouth in here around that time. It was pretty clear right away, they had missed out on talent that year. Add that to Raz being the highest Wings pick since Lapointe, and the first pick of the 'rebuild.' ANNNND well, we've seen how most felt.

On those days I was saying, "you draft size first, because it takes most time to develop. And the skill comes last."

I still say the same.

Yzerman has been doing it mostly at Defence (drafting).

RD Seider 6'4 (Top defenceman pick at 2019)
RD Tuomisto 6'5 (Top2 defenceman pick at 2019)
LD Wallinder 6'4 (Top defenceman pick at 2020)
LD Edvinsson 6'6 (Top defenceman pick at 2021)
LD Buium 6'3 (Top2 defenceman pick at 2021)
RD Anton Johansson 6'4 (Top defenceman pick at 2022)

So the size (with some skill) came first, and now comes the PURE skill, in Pellikka.

Still added two big guys after him in Gibson and Cleveland.
 

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I don't understand all the contempt towards Rasmussen. They weren't selecting a goalie. And Ras is the 12th best point getting player selected that played over 250+ games to date. Two of those players were selected after #38th, so KH could have picked them with his 2nd pick. Ras is right where he should be.

I like Rasmussen. I think he is a good player to have on the team and I suspect he's exactly the type of player you'll LOVE in the post-season playing on your team, and HATE him if you're cheering the opposing team.

As good as Suzuki is at scoring... Wings have no problems scoring goals. *if* he was selected over Ras, then I doubt we have Debrincat. I much rather have Debrincat.
 
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I don't understand all the contempt towards Rasmussen. They weren't selecting a goalie. And Ras is the 12th best point getting player selected that played over 250+ games to date. Two of those players were selected after #38th, so KH could have picked them with his 2nd pick. Ras is right where he should be.

I like Rasmussen. I think he is a good player to have on the team and I suspect he's exactly the type of player you'll LOVE in the post-season playing on your team, and HATE him if you're cheering the opposing team.

As good as Suzuki is at scoring... Wings have no problems scoring goals. *if* he was selected over Ras, then I doubt we have Debrincat. I much rather have Debrincat.

that's an interesting way of describing someone that's 16th in his draft class in points :laugh:
 

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I'd like to know what aspect of Rasmussen's butter soft game will make us love him in the playoffs and make opposing teams hate him.

If anything, I bet opposing teams will love to see Rasmussen in the waning minutes of a playoff game.
He is not that soft. No other forwards blocks as many shots. Only Fischer and Kostin has more hits per 60 also. If you want to talk about soft, there's Sprong.
 

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that's an interesting way of describing someone that's 16th in his draft class in points :laugh:
To be fair to Ras, it doesn't make sense to compare him to anyone taken before him given that we necessarily did not have the opportunity to draft those players.
 

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