GDT: #41 - 1/21/22 | RANGERS @ nyr south | 7:00 - MSG

[SnowblindNYR]

Stupid move to start Georgiev. We should be able to beat Arizona with Georgiev but we're unlikely to beat Carolina with him. Really dumb coaching move. I don't care about ADA.

 

[bbny]

At this point I think this whole episode exists on the internet and only the internet. I seriously doubt Georgiev has given it a second thought in the past calendar.

Matter of fact "nobody likes Georgiev" was birthed on the internet and never existed at all. "But he's weird!" He's Russian and he's a goaltender. It would be weird if he wasn't weird.

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You think it’s a conspiracy for there to be bad blood between Georgiev and ADA? Lol. Whatever you say

 

[Crease]

In the grand scheme of things, the Rangers playoff spot is all but locked up, so perhaps Gallant is “giving the boys what they want” in ADA Georgiev II.

 

[EdJovanovski]

You think it’s a conspiracy for there to be bad blood between Georgiev and ADA? Lol. Whatever you say

Georgiev and ADA were actually getting a little too close so they had to move one of them

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

Someone tune up Tony early, make him look over his shoulder all night.

 

[Cmox]

Just spent 5 hours in a dentists chair getting a root canal and crown

Feel better. You get any good painkillers? Lol

 

[Machinehead]

Truthfully i dont really care where the Rangers are slotted in national rankings, because it means nothing in the real world. The smugness of the analytics community on the Athletic is what bothers me. The Rangers entry in the power rankings is exhibit A; incorrect information, calling out NYR fans for defending the team and of course calling us a paper tiger the day after we beat his beloved leafs handily. hes a douche

He also has us 8th when we're like 35th/32 in expected goals.

There have been a lot of smug analytics people. Travis Yost comes to mind and guilty as charged in my day. I never got that from Dom.

I just think that to an extent, people don't want to hear the truth that this team wins because of its goaltender. It's the same conversation we've been having for like 11 years.

It's fine if you enjoy it. I've said they're a fun team. But I'm in this to win the Stanley Cup. The Stanley Cup has been largely annexed and sequestered off by teams who carry play and rely very little on goaltending. [And yes, Vasilevskiy is excellent but he's faced the fewest chances in the league during their two Cup years with the grand canyon between him and the next lightest-worked goalie]

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Just spent 5 hours in a dentists chair getting a root canal and crown

Less painful than this game will be.

 

[Fitzy]

Truthfully i dont really care where the Rangers are slotted in national rankings, because it means nothing in the real world. The smugness of the analytics community on the Athletic is what bothers me. The Rangers entry in the power rankings is exhibit A; incorrect information, calling out NYR fans for defending the team and of course calling us a paper tiger the day after we beat his beloved leafs handily. hes a douche

The dogmatic worship of metrics above all else has jettisoned a few very good and knowledgeable posters from our forum as well.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Feel better. You get any good painkillers? Lol

Thank you; and nope! They didn’t even offer lol, but I’m more of a naturopathy guy and avoid drugs when possible

 

[Machinehead]

You think it’s a conspiracy for there to be bad blood between Georgiev and ADA? Lol. Whatever you say

No, I didn't say that at all.

I think it's a conspiracy theory that everyone on the Rangers dislikes Georgiev.

I don't even think they disliked DeAngelo. I think two teammates getting hot at each other is non-issue if it's anyone but DeAngelo.

It was an issue for DeAngelo because of well-documented disciplne problems.

At most, the Georgiev thing was the last straw on a parting of ways that was inevitable.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I had a fox in my yard this am hopefully good luck

How did he get to Carolina so quick?

 

[chosen]

Just spent 5 hours in a dentists chair getting a root canal and crown

Was Kravtsov holding your hand for the entire time?

 

[Machinehead]

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Need this game to start. Wasted already.

There's no way this dog is 21.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Was Kravtsov holding your hand for the entire time?

I wish

 

[Levitate]

He also has us 8th when we're like 35th/32 in expected goals.

There have been a lot of smug analytics people. Travis Yost comes to mind and guilty as charged in my day. I never got that from Dom.

I just think that to an extent, people don't want to hear the truth that this team wins because of its goaltender. It's the same conversation we've been having for like 11 years.

It's fine if you enjoy it. I've said they're a fun team. But I'm in this to win the Stanley Cup. The Stanley Cup has been largely annexed and sequestered off by teams who carry play and rely very little on goaltending. [And yes, Vasilevskiy is excellent but he's faced the fewest chances in the league during their two Cup years with the grand canyon between him and the next lightest-worked goalie]

I think they gotta get better at limiting shots. I feel like "whatever" about their own expected goals. They clearly have talent, they can clearly score goals, that's one I'd consider an oddity of their personnel more than a telling analytic.

But if they want to win a cup they're going to need to learn at some point how to really clamp down and deny other teams shots, especially good possession teams. Whether it's doing a better job preventing teams from setting up or better job recovering and breaking out with the puck, I dunno, but I don't think they'll win it all getting caved on shots all the time and relying on their goaltender

 

[McRanger92]

The dogmatic worship of metrics above all else has jettisoned a few very good and knowledgeable posters from our forum as well.

I was a big supporter of the analytics movement when I was younger, but I think its tough to use them as anymore than a useful tool in a game like hockey that's so free flowing. Too often are the stats used as an "I'm smarter than you" trump card. The Rangers rebuild gave me a greater appreciation for competing and winning hockey games, so I don't really care how they look doing it. It all gets thrown out the window in a 7 game series anyway.

 

[SRHRangers]

Analytics ruined baseball.

They have a purpose, but aren't the end all of sports.

 

[McRanger92]

Someone tune up Tony early, make him look over his shoulder all night.

This. The Canes have defenseman will turn the puck over if you pressure them on the forecheck, we know first hand with Skjei/Tony/Smith. I think the 4th line can have an impact on tonight game.

They are going to get outshot by a lot, but the Canes give up scoring chances and take penalties, which will play into the Rangers hand.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Analytics ruined baseball.

They have a purpose, but aren't the end all of sports.

Steroids & pitch counts ruined baseball.

 

[Fitzy]

I was a big supporter of the analytics movement when I was younger, but I think its tough to use them as anymore than a useful tool in a game like hockey that's so free flowing. Too often are the stats used as an "I'm smarter than you" trump card. The Rangers rebuild gave me a greater appreciation for competing and winning hockey games, so I don't really care how they look doing it. It all gets thrown out the window in a 7 game series anyway.

Analytics folks when you disagree on a basic game performance

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Panarin has been quiet with his goal scoring lately. Needs to shoot

 

[SRHRangers]

Steroids & pitch counts ruined baseball.

Pitch counts are a part of analytics. Why 47 relievers in a game became posh.

Roids, not so much. Before them, greenies we're the enhancer.

I'll also add that the baseball writer has had a major part of killing the game.

 

[bobbop]

So if this goaltending shuffle works tonight, Gallant is a genius. If it doesn't, well he gets roasted. I think it will motivate the players to play hard in front of their goaltender. That may be worth something.

 

[Machinehead]

I think they gotta get better at limiting shots. I feel like "whatever" about their own expected goals. They clearly have talent, they can clearly score goals, that's one I'd consider an oddity of their personnel more than a telling analytic.

But if they want to win a cup they're going to need to learn at some point how to really clamp down and deny other teams shots, especially good possession teams. Whether it's doing a better job preventing teams from setting up or better job recovering and breaking out with the puck, I dunno, but I don't think they'll win it all getting caved on shots all the time and relying on their goaltender

I agree and disagree.

I agree in the sense that we have talent and obvious finishing ability and you can absolutely outskill your analytics. The Caps did this in 2018.

However, last I checked we actually have more of an issue with generation than prevention. As the games get tight and the goals get cheap, I worry that we don't shoot the puck or even have it enough to get the bounces.

To go back to the Washington example, it was their defense that sucked (and f*** John Carlson) but they can shoot. Ovechkin by himself attempts like 5-6 shots a game. One of them is going in eventually.