GDT: #40 - 1/2/20 | RANGERS @ flames | 9:00 - MSG

[will1066]

DeAngelo was awful as well last night. In general our d was bad but people singling out everyone but him is laughable.

Plenty of people criticized ADA's play, including me.

 

[TGWL]

What was Henke trying to do on the Gaudreau breakaway goal? He turns his blocker hand over and extends it out with his goalie stick blade pointed up towards the ceiling...

Probably trying to not look embarrassed by an elite stick handler coming at you fast on a breakaway. Sometimes it's difficult not to lift and move your stick when you have somebody flying on you that good.

 

[TGWL]

Same old story. Skjei was horrible, but on the Flames' first goal, the blame is on Breadman, who threw a blind backward pass from the left wall to the right point that was intercepted.

Yeah, I don't fault Trouba on this one showing a goal against with him on the ice.

 

[ArPanet]

Skjei plays like a guy who knows he won't see out his contract on this team.

 

[LORDE]

Serious question... when was the last time we pulled a goalie and scored to tie a game.

I can’t think of one time... I’m sure I’m missing one but it just seems to NEVER happen.

Not spotting the other team 2-6 goals would also help but still

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Serious question... when was the last time we pulled a goalie and scored to tie a game.

I can’t think of one time... I’m sure I’m missing one but it just seems to NEVER happen.

Not spotting the other team 2-6 goals would also help but still

Buchnevich vs CBJ last year which ended up contributing heavily to Kakko.

 

[LORDE]

Buchnevich vs CBJ last year which ended up contributing heavily to Kakko.

Ahhhh yes. I knew I was forgetting one. TY

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

People think this is a playoff team lol.

They might really overachieve but this is a really bad, young team with loads of talent.

I wonder if the coaches strategy is to leave the D vulnerable in order to allow these guys to really go at it offensively. I keep hearing how it's so much harder to teach offense to established pros. Makes sense to let them learn O and then tighten up the D later.


Or we have players who r bad at D and coaches who are bad at coaching it.

Or we just have young players who are bad at D

 

[will1066]

People think this is a playoff team lol.

They might really overachieve but this is a really bad, young team with loads of talent.

I wonder if the coaches strategy is to leave the D vulnerable in order to allow these guys to really go at it offensively. I keep hearing how it's so much harder to teach offense to established pros. Makes sense to let them learn O and then tighten up the D later.


Or we have players who r bad at D and coaches who are bad at coaching it.

Or we just have young players who are bad at D

From where and from whom? The other way around (teaching D while O is more natural) seems to be the convention.

 

[Adam Fox Time]

Hopefully this team is where the Blackhawks were in 06-07.

Great talent overall and a bunch of talented prospects that just need some development, but the end result isn't that good. Next season the team develops a bit more and just misses the playoffs or just makes the playoffs with a quick loss. Then they fire David Quinn, hire a great coach, get Staal, Lundqvist, and Shattenkirk's $6 million off the books, make a big trade or sign a big-time UFA, and are ready for greatness.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

From where and from whom? The other way around (teaching D while O is more natural) seems to be the convention.

From seemingly everyone I hear the exact opposite. If you don't have offensive talent or you stifle it early then it;s very hard to teach but D, systems and positioning can be learned. Kravtsov gets this argument a lot too.

 

[duhmetreE]

The whole top6 seemed off...

I wouldn't be surprised if Gorton asked for Kreider's No-Trade list. Sulk 2.0 inbound

 

[duhmetreE]

From seemingly everyone I hear the exact opposite. If you don't have offensive talent or you stifle it early then it;s very hard to teach but D, systems and positioning can be learned. Kravtsov gets this argument a lot too.

Yeah, this is the first time hearing this..

Duclair is on his 5th team for this reason. He never bought in to defense/team structure.

 

[Edge]

Yeah, this is the first time hearing this..

Duclair is on his 5th team for this reason. He never bought in to defense/team structure.

And here's something we haven't really discussed much:

If you think trying there's some uncertainty about Strome turning back into a pumpkin after a new multi-year contract, just imagine the conversations re: Duclair.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Fox showing why DeAngelo will be dealt. He's simply better than DeAngelo.

He’s really not lol and his speed is pretty damn important when we have guys like Trouba on the backend, Fox isn’t a great skater either.
The one pass he made that got intercepted, he looked like McDavid skating back trying to stop that breakaway, and he cut off his lane to the net partially, Lundqvist should’ve stopped that.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Yeah, this is the first time hearing this..

Duclair is on his 5th team for this reason. He never bought in to defense/team structure.

Using a single player as an example is meaningless. It proves absolutely nothing. Especially since I'm not saying this applies to everyone ever.

Also...how does that even contradict what I'm saying? I never said "You should never buy into D/team stucture"

I never said "Players should never be expected to buy in bc they can coast on offensive talent."

What do you want me to tell you? I've seen it said a lot that i's harder to teach offense if it's not nurtured in young, talented players. I didn't think it was something I needed to catalog. I just saw it a lot at all sorts of random times and brought it up here.

 

[Levitate]

Whether it's Quinn or Ruff or the players, this team is definitely going nowhere until they figure out how to play defense.

Now, it's probably all 3...you can't play such a passive defensive scheme in the NHL these days, it gives the other team too much time and space to do whatever they want. You have to pressure the puck and the rangers don't do that by design. This is a conscious decision by Ruff and Quinn. Beyond that, if Ruff is coaching the D, they still seem to have trouble in their own zone with assignments and gaps and positioning. Beyond that, the players often take too many risks that are resulting in counter attack goals against

So, at some point something will have to change. I did not expect this to be a playoff team this year and that is fine, but I would like to see some improvement on these things and halfway through the year they are still struggling with the same basic defensive issues.

e: also, was Kakko benched because of the offensive zone penalty he took in the third? Seems a bit harsh...

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Serious question... when was the last time we pulled a goalie and scored to tie a game.

I can’t think of one time... I’m sure I’m missing one but it just seems to NEVER happen.

Not spotting the other team 2-6 goals would also help but still

 

[Fitzy]

This may sound like a weird take- and I always root for the Rangers to win- but I'm much happier after a game- even if a loss- where we get big contributions from the kids 22 and younger than any game where the vets do their thing.

We know Zibby and Panarin are great, and that Trouba and Kreider can score when called upon. But we really need these young guys to get good in order to field a future team.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Hate to say this but it does bear repeating: This team hasn't had a defensive structure since Torts was fired.

So true. I believe the Pack coach will be our next coach. Thank God. He will change this.

 

[offdacrossbar]

He’s really not lol and his speed is pretty damn important when we have guys like Trouba on the backend, Fox isn’t a great skater either.
The one pass he made that got intercepted, he looked like McDavid skating back trying to stop that breakaway, and he cut off his lane to the net partially, Lundqvist should’ve stopped that.

great point. after that bad pass, Tony busted his ass trying to get back.

i was shocked at how fast he caught up. he showed some serious wheels there.

bad passes are going to happen. would have been nice for hank to make the stop there.

this "adam is better than tony" thing needs to die already.

 

[Larrybiv]

People think this is a playoff team lol.

They might really overachieve but this is a really bad, young team with loads of talent.

I wonder if the coaches strategy is to leave the D vulnerable in order to allow these guys to really go at it offensively. I keep hearing how it's so much harder to teach offense to established pros. Makes sense to let them learn O and then tighten up the D later.


Or we have players who r bad at D and coaches who are bad at coaching it.

Or we just have young players who are bad at D

Losing sucks, and I would imagine that even if the goals keep on coming.........eventually each "non vet" player will realize if they dont give it their all coming back, or just plain "being smarter" on d, the losses will pile up. They will eventually look in the mirror and figure out a better way. Yes coaching, but it still boils down to individual sacrifice, in order to give your team a better chance of winning. Our few vets already know this, whether they sacrifice or not is another story. We are fine.......just takes time.

 

[Larrybiv]

Whether it's Quinn or Ruff or the players, this team is definitely going nowhere until they figure out how to play defense.

Now, it's probably all 3...you can't play such a passive defensive scheme in the NHL these days, it gives the other team too much time and space to do whatever they want. You have to pressure the puck and the rangers don't do that by design. This is a conscious decision by Ruff and Quinn. Beyond that, if Ruff is coaching the D, they still seem to have trouble in their own zone with assignments and gaps and positioning. Beyond that, the players often take too many risks that are resulting in counter attack goals against.

e: also, was Kakko benched because of the offensive zone penalty he took in the third? Seems a bit harsh...

Guessing that Quinn realizes we are a bit inexperienced in getting ourselves out of position, playing a "zone" is usually safer. Not saying better, just the situation dictating what he wants. Imo.

Harsh? Probably, but getting the message across loud and clear that it is unacceptable, especially in 3rd when trying to tie.
Hes not being singled out over others, most have been benched for doing something unacceptable. Skeji, Tony D., BUCH, and even Kreider if I remember correctly.

 

[Larrybiv]

great point. after that bad pass, Tony busted his ass trying to get back.

i was shocked at how fast he caught up. he showed some serious wheels there.

this "adam is better than tony" thing needs to die already.

Knew he screwed up, and tried, God knows he tried to make up for it.

Absolutely, end this crap already. Why cant EVERYBODY just be thrilled we have BOTH! Teams would DIE for either of those 2 RH offensive weapons that they are. Defensively getting better. Minutes and experience will take care of that.

 

[Mandar]

He’s really not lol and his speed is pretty damn important when we have guys like Trouba on the backend, Fox isn’t a great skater either.
The one pass he made that got intercepted, he looked like McDavid skating back trying to stop that breakaway, and he cut off his lane to the net partially, Lundqvist should’ve stopped that.

Looked like McDavid skating? Is there no limit on the overzealous and ridiculous accolades you heap on this guy?

You seem to be laying more of the blame on Hank than on the idiot who was careless on a 5 on freaking 3. But hey...he skated back soooooooo fast.