World Cup: 4 Nations Tournament- Team USA (2025)

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This is the team I'd choose as of now. A gold medal favorite no doubt, although Canada is the team to beat in best-on-best until someone else proves otherwise. Nevertheless, if this team doesn't win gold, it's a USAH failure. I look forward to how USAH will probably do something inevitably stupid and overthink this.

Forwards (x13):

Kyle Connor - Jack Eichel - Matt Boldy
J.T. Miller - Auston Matthews - Matthew Tkachuk
Jack Hughes - Dylan Larkin - Alex Tuch
Brady Tkachuk - Vincent Trocheck - Jake Guentzel
Brock Nelson

Defense (x7):

Quinn Hughes - Charlie McAvoy
Jaccob Slavin - Adam Fox
Ryan McDonagh - Brock Faber
John Carlson

Goalies (x3):

Connor Hellebuyck
Jake Oettinger
Jeremy Swayman
Forwards:
  • There is no need to go small here with the rest of the picks. Take the most elite small guy (Hughes) and the most proven clutch performer (Guentzel) and stop. If Kane was still prime he'd be here too. And I think USAH in their hearts wants him here, but it's too much of a stretch.​
  • There are plenty of USAH teams in the past that would have needed more small guys like Keller, Caulfield, Debrincat, etc. either but this isn't one of those teams.​
  • For now, I'm including Miller because if he's back in time and game shape, he has to be on the team. By all reports, it seems like that's the plan, so name him now, and if he remains out, replace him later. If we do lose him, it's a huge loss.​
  • Other forwards I think are probably in some consideration: Kreider, Thompson, Boeser, Robertson, Caufield, Keller, Debrincat, Cooley, Garland, Mittelstadt, Rust, etc.​
  • Kreider, Boeser, and Robertson were all guys I've had on prior iterations of my team and not now. I just don't see how you can justify Roberston if he's not playing at his best given his heavy feet. Boeser would normally make our teams but we have plenty of goal-scoring and can choose more versatile guys over him. Kreider is the one who I think should be most likely to still make it. Yes, he's had a slow start, but he's got size, and speed, can play the PK and PP, and can fit into almost any role you need.​
  • For now, I've gone center heavy (8 guys who could play center) but ideally, you don't have Hughes or Thompson do it, and versatile guys are key and we have plenty.​
  • I fully expect at least one veteran will make it and cause a lot of people to cry foul. I have Nelson as that guy (although he's a worthy selection). I just hope it's a guy like Nelson and not someone more off-the-wall like Copp, Hartman, Rust, etc. Nothing will top the off-the-wall picks of the past, right? Right?​
Defense:
  • The choices are hard here. Faber and Slavin should be locks. And after that, you can go so many different ways.​
  • There are a lot of other guys you can make cases for to be on this team: Werenski, Hanifin, Pionk, Sanderson, Vlasic, Pesce, etc.​
  • I'd be pretty surprised if there's not at least 1 veteran of prior "top" USAH squads here. Carlson and McDonagh are the clear standout options in that category. Right now I have both here because they're both top players, and I think USAH loves deferring to experience. McDonagh can anchor a PK tandem and bring a steady veteran presence to a young pair partner. And Carlson because he's a veteran, well-rounded, and a top 4 American RHD.​
  • Werenski is hard to leave off. I went back and forth with putting him over McDonagh or Carlson. That's probably more likely to happen. But I suspect USAH may lean toward the veteran, experienced, defensive defenseman over the highly offensive rover in Werenski because Guerin has talked endlessly about certain players making it for certain roles, the defense isn't hurting for offensive weapons, and if you have Werenski playing a regular shift, you want him with a steady stay-at-home guy like if we had a right-handed Slavin (maybe Pesce if he had more time to rebound). That said, I think a Werenski - Faber third pairing is a strong pairing, too, and I wouldn't be mad if that happens.​
  • Hanifin and Sanderson have been boutique picks in a lot of mocks I've seen (including some of my prior iterations), but I question whether they'll get the nod. They are both very similar players and one of them could easily find their way here. Neither is a PP guy at this level nor are they top PK options, either -- at least yet. They're well-rounded players no doubt, but this team isn't hurting for the well-rounded defenseman, and I suspect the staff is going to lean more toward guys who excel at a specific role a la defensively (Slavin, McDonagh) or offensively (Werenski).​
Goalies:
  • Helle and Otter are the most obvious of obvious picks.
  • It's too bad Demko has been out so long and Swayman is having a very slow start after his holdout, otherwise, we'd have four #1 options in the net.
  • It doesn't matter who we choose for the #3 role, but I'd go with the young #1 (Swayman) just for the experience.
I think this will be very close to what the team will end up being. Comments

* I think if it comes down to Werenski/Carlson that Werenski might make it
* I think there's a chance Vlasic makes it, potentially over McDonagh
* I wish Robertson was having a better year. I think his average production and below average skating keep him off
* I wish Trocheck was last year's version scoring wise, but he brings other things to the table in a 4th line role on this team that may include him
* I'd like to include Kreider. The goal scoring is there even if he still doesn't have a single assist (which is remarkable)
* I hope if Miller does play, he ends up in a good place

Ultimately, I think this team will be built on skating, size, with offense generated from the back end. A definite contender and a strong foundation for the 2026 Olympics.
 

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More I look at the rosters I think USA might be the favorite over Canada going into this tournament.

Better goaltending is obvious, Canada has some great defenseman but relying on chemistry with guys like Toews while I think USA's core could have better talent 1-7.

And forward wise, Canada's advantage is McDavid/MacKinnon being in their own class but depth wise USA might have the advantage. Guys like Hagel & Hyman don't excite me as much as depth/bubble guys than players like Keller & Thompson.

Very very interested to see this USA team come February
 
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More I look at the rosters I think USA might be the favorite over Canada going into this tournament.

Better goaltending is obvious, Canada has some great defenseman but relying on chemistry with guys like Toews while I think USA's core could have better talent 1-7.

And forward wise, Canada's advantage is McDavid/MacKinnon being in their own class but depth wise USA might have the advantage. Guys like Hagel & Hyman don't excite me as much as depth/bubble guys than players like Keller & Thompson.

Very very interested to see this USA team come February
Crosby, Point, Reinhart, Marner and Stone likely fill out the top 6 for Canada which is equal, if not better than the Tkachuks, Robertson, Connor, and Eichel. McDavid and Mac > Papi and Jack Hughes. Forward Depth-Wise, the US might be more skilled, but I'd say forwards are pretty even. I'd rather play against Dylan Larkin, Kyle Connor, Jake Guentzel and J.T Miller over Hagel, Konency, Cirelli, Bennett.
 

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This is the team I'd choose as of now. A gold medal favorite no doubt, although Canada is the team to beat in best-on-best until someone else proves otherwise. Nevertheless, if this team doesn't win gold, it's a USAH failure. I look forward to how USAH will probably do something inevitably stupid and overthink this.

Forwards (x13):

Kyle Connor - Jack Eichel - Matt Boldy
J.T. Miller - Auston Matthews - Matthew Tkachuk
Jack Hughes - Dylan Larkin - Alex Tuch
Brady Tkachuk - Vincent Trocheck - Jake Guentzel
Brock Nelson

Defense (x7):

Quinn Hughes - Charlie McAvoy
Jaccob Slavin - Adam Fox
Ryan McDonagh - Brock Faber
John Carlson

Goalies (x3):

Connor Hellebuyck
Jake Oettinger
Jeremy Swayman
Forwards:
  • There is no need to go small here with the rest of the picks. Take the most elite small guy (Hughes) and the most proven clutch performer (Guentzel) and stop. If Kane was still prime he'd be here too. And I think USAH in their hearts wants him here, but it's too much of a stretch.​
  • There are plenty of USAH teams in the past that would have needed more small guys like Keller, Caulfield, Debrincat, etc. either but this isn't one of those teams.​
  • For now, I'm including Miller because if he's back in time and game shape, he has to be on the team. By all reports, it seems like that's the plan, so name him now, and if he remains out, replace him later. If we do lose him, it's a huge loss.​
  • Other forwards I think are probably in some consideration: Kreider, Thompson, Boeser, Robertson, Caufield, Keller, Debrincat, Cooley, Garland, Mittelstadt, Rust, etc.​
  • Kreider, Boeser, and Robertson were all guys I've had on prior iterations of my team and not now. I just don't see how you can justify Roberston if he's not playing at his best given his heavy feet. Boeser would normally make our teams but we have plenty of goal-scoring and can choose more versatile guys over him. Kreider is the one who I think should be most likely to still make it. Yes, he's had a slow start, but he's got size, and speed, can play the PK and PP, and can fit into almost any role you need.​
  • For now, I've gone center heavy (8 guys who could play center) but ideally, you don't have Hughes or Thompson do it, and versatile guys are key and we have plenty.​
  • I fully expect at least one veteran will make it and cause a lot of people to cry foul. I have Nelson as that guy (although he's a worthy selection). I just hope it's a guy like Nelson and not someone more off-the-wall like Copp, Hartman, Rust, etc. Nothing will top the off-the-wall picks of the past, right? Right?​
Defense:
  • The choices are hard here. Faber and Slavin should be locks. And after that, you can go so many different ways.​
  • There are a lot of other guys you can make cases for to be on this team: Werenski, Hanifin, Pionk, Sanderson, Vlasic, Pesce, etc.​
  • I'd be pretty surprised if there's not at least 1 veteran of prior "top" USAH squads here. Carlson and McDonagh are the clear standout options in that category. Right now I have both here because they're both top players, and I think USAH loves deferring to experience. McDonagh can anchor a PK tandem and bring a steady veteran presence to a young pair partner. And Carlson because he's a veteran, well-rounded, and a top 4 American RHD.​
  • Werenski is hard to leave off. I went back and forth with putting him over McDonagh or Carlson. That's probably more likely to happen. But I suspect USAH may lean toward the veteran, experienced, defensive defenseman over the highly offensive rover in Werenski because Guerin has talked endlessly about certain players making it for certain roles, the defense isn't hurting for offensive weapons, and if you have Werenski playing a regular shift, you want him with a steady stay-at-home guy like if we had a right-handed Slavin (maybe Pesce if he had more time to rebound). That said, I think a Werenski - Faber third pairing is a strong pairing, too, and I wouldn't be mad if that happens.​
  • Hanifin and Sanderson have been boutique picks in a lot of mocks I've seen (including some of my prior iterations), but I question whether they'll get the nod. They are both very similar players and one of them could easily find their way here. Neither is a PP guy at this level nor are they top PK options, either -- at least yet. They're well-rounded players no doubt, but this team isn't hurting for the well-rounded defenseman, and I suspect the staff is going to lean more toward guys who excel at a specific role a la defensively (Slavin, McDonagh) or offensively (Werenski).​
Goalies:
  • Helle and Otter are the most obvious of obvious picks.
  • It's too bad Demko has been out so long and Swayman is having a very slow start after his holdout, otherwise, we'd have four #1 options in the net.
  • It doesn't matter who we choose for the #3 role, but I'd go with the young #1 (Swayman) just for the experience.
Why are you disregarding the PP familiarity of Fox\Kreider?
 

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It looks like Doug Armstrong and Team Canada is doing some big brain thinking with their team and it makes me wonder if Guerin will be doing the same. Interested to see what the bottom-six looks like.
 

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If Alex Vlasic is left off of this team, I think it will prove to be a massive mistake.

Size, speed, smarts, reach, with some offensive skill to boot?

He is a defensive presence out there, a presence we'll need against the run and gun Canadians.

Controversial take here, but I'd sooner leave Fox or Hughes off this roster than Vlasic. A defensive core with 3 Vlasics and 3 Slavins would dominate a best on best.
 
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If Alex Vlasic is left off of this team, I think it will prove to be a massive mistake.

Size, speed, smarts, reach, with some offensive skill to boot?

He is a defensive presence out there, a presence we'll need against the run and gun Canadians.

Controversial take here, but I'd sooner leave Fox or Hughes off this roster than Vlasic. A defensive core with 3 Vlasics and 3 Slavins would dominate a best on best.
Quinn Hughes right? Luke would make it though....:naughty:
 

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Quinn Hughes right? Luke would make it though....:naughty:
I would take Vlasic over both Hughes brothers in a tournament like this. But with the way Luke has played this year, he should absolutely be in the conversation to make this team.

Slavin - Fox
Hughes - Faber
Vlasic - McAvoy
McDonagh or Hughes

That's the group I would go with.
 
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If Alex Vlasic is left off of this team, I think it will prove to be a massive mistake.

Size, speed, smarts, reach, with some offensive skill to boot?

He is a defensive presence out there, a presence we'll need against the run and gun Canadians.

Controversial take here, but I'd sooner leave Fox or Hughes off this roster than Vlasic. A defensive core with 3 Vlasics and 3 Slavins would dominate a best on best.

You would leave the reigning Norris winner off the team for Alex Vlasic...?

Is your last name Vlasic by chance?
 

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You would leave the reigning Norris winner off the team for Alex Vlasic...?

Is your last name Vlasic by chance?
I would take them both, but gun to my head, in a tournament like this, to matchup against a team like Canada? I'd take Vlasic. You need to be outrageously good defensively to shut down the McDavid's and Mackinnon's of the world. Quinn is an incredible defenseman, and I would take him over Vlasic if I were starting an NHL team, but Vlasic is a freakin wall that can skate like the wind and reach halfway across the ice in a single step.

You just can't afford to leave those sort of guys out if you have them in a tournament like this.
 
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Controversial take here, but I'd sooner leave Fox or Hughes off this roster than Vlasic. A defensive core with 3 Vlasics and 3 Slavins would dominate a best on best.
I love Vlasic, and I'd be happy be have him on the team, but I think you're drastically overthinking it there.

You need the Fox's and Hughes' for their roles just the same as you need the Vlasic's and Slavin's in this tournament. (Not to mention they're both excellent defensive players as well)
 

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I love Vlasic, and I'd be happy be have him on the team, but I think you're drastically overthinking it there.
Probably
You need the Fox's and Hughes' for their roles just the same as you need the Vlasic's and Slavin's in this tournament. (Not to mention they're both excellent defensive players as well)
Well I would be taking Quinn and Fox (per my roster above).

I guess the broader point is that if I had to have only Q Hughes' or only Alex Vlasic's, I would take 6 Vlasic's. Or in the imaginary scenario where the first 6 D slots have already been locked down with no remedy, I would choose to add Vlasic cet par.
 

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For Canada’s sake, I hope the US picks Vlasic over Quinn.
Not a chance but I wouldn't have a major issue with Vlasic as a #6\7D.

LD - Q Hughes - Slavin - Werenski - Vlasic or McDonagh for Werenski

RD - Fox - McAvoy - Faber

They should have had 2 USA Teams, 2 Canadian Teams, 1 Sweden, 1 Finland

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