World Cup: 4 Nations Tournament- Team USA (2025)

[ORRFForever]

I hate the Canadian line up so don't feel bad if you hate the U.S. one...

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USA – By Frank Seravalli​

Forwards​

J.T. Miller	Auston Matthews*	Matthew Tkachuk*
Kyle Connor	Jack Eichel*	Brady Tkachuk
Dylan Larkin	Jack Hughes	Jason Robertson
Jake Guentzel	Vincent Trocheck	Matt Boldy
Tage Thompson

Defensemen​

Quinn Hughes*	Charlie McAvoy*
Jaccob Slavin	Adam Fox*
Zach Werenski	Brock Faber
Noah Hanifin

Goaltenders​

Connor Hellebuyck

Jake Oettinger

Jeremy Swayman

IN: Tage Thompson, Zach Werenski, Noah Hanifin

OUT: Chris Kreider, Jake Sanderson, Brett Pesce

Why: In the end, GM Bill Guerin and his staff are trying to ice the best lineup for 4 Nations Face-Off in 2025, not what is to come in 2026. That means leaving off Jake Sanderson, who has been a little inconsistent this season, in favor of a more experienced and well-rounded Zach Werenski. Brett Pesce has started slow coming off injury, so I’ll swap him for Noah Hanifin as the Americans’ seventh defenseman – a role in which Hanifin won’t pout or complain if asked. That’s half the battle when selecting that player. And up front, it became impossible to deny Tage Thompson with his start. North of a point per game and a huge presence, he trumps the great net-front presence of Chris Kreider, who has been up and down this year. The additional minutes Peter Laviolette trusts versatile Ranger teammate Vincent Trocheck with was the deciding factor in picking the final forward for the United States. The recent leave of absence by J.T. Miller with the Canucks gave us some pause, but let’s see how that plays out – we’re willing to give him some time because he’s that impactful. And USA’s first two goalies are so good that Jeremy Swayman’s tough stretch shouldn’t make a difference one way or the other with Thatcher Demko still out.

 

[qc14]

Agreed. I think the only spot up for grabs amongst the guys you mention is Sanderson's. I wouldn't mind him on the team but may be more inclined to give his spot to a guy like Vlasic.

Yea I like Vlasic a lot too and I would totally get having him above Sanderson. Hanifin, McDonough, wouldn't hurt my head either.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Yea I like Vlasic a lot too and I would totally get having him above Sanderson. Hanifin, McDonough, wouldn't hurt my head either.

Is there a confirmed roster size?

 

[MNRube]

We've overthought rosters and "fit" so much at recent tournaments and it's came back to bite us every single time. Carlson and Werenski are still 2 of the 6 best American defenseman. Carlson may be having the best non-Hughes/Makar season by a defenseman in the league so far this year, they both kill penalties and play matchup minutes for their teams as well. If anyone has played themselves off the roster, it should be McAvoy, who like his teammate Marchand is lucky Boston is hosting the tournament.

Hughes-Faber
Werenski-Fox
Slavin-Carlson
Sanderson-McAvoy

You have Fox & Hughes so the need for another OFD is marginal. And the notion that Carlson & Werenski are better than McAvoy because the latter has had a bad 20 game stretch is dubious. Especially when McAvoy plays a style that is much more complimentary to Hughes & Fox. If we want to use a small sample size, let’s discuss Werenski’s awful showing last summer for USA

 

[Golden_Jet]

Wonder if the leafs will ask Matthew’s not to go, guess depends on how Germany visit goes.

 

[qc14]

You have Fox & Hughes so the need for another OFD is marginal. And the notion that Carlson & Werenski are better than McAvoy because the latter has had a bad 20 game stretch is dubious. Especially when McAvoy plays a style that is much more complimentary to Hughes & Fox. If we want to use a small sample size, let’s discuss Werenski’s awful showing last summer for USA

I mean I'd get the stylistic components more if there was some amazing, M-E Vlasic or Rod Langway in his prime type defensive defenseman just waiting in the wings but there's not. Once again, the notion that Carlson and Werenski are some defensive bums that only are good at running powerplays is also just completely wrong. They certainly aren't much more defensively deficient than a Sanderson, Faber, or Hanifin.

I also think that in a short, one-off tournament, you have to balance longer term ability with short-term form. McAvoy has been disastrously bad to start this year, Carlson and Werenski have not (and in fact have been quite good). There's plenty of time for those things to even out, and McAvoy certainly has a body of work good enough that I would still have him on the team regardless. If we're playing against Canada for the gold tonight though, I think there are 6 defenseman that give me a better chance

 

[MNRube]

Once again, the notion that Carlson and Werenski are some defensive bums that only are good at running powerplays is also just completely wrong. They certainly aren't much more defensively deficient than a Sanderson, Faber, or Hanifin.

Nobody is saying they are bums. And neither is close to Faber defensively. This is an all-star team, some great players won’t get chosen. You still need balance in a best on best format.

 

[qc14]

Nobody is saying they are bums. And neither is close to Faber defensively. This is an all-star team, some great players won’t get chosen. You still need balance in a best on best format.

I agree you need balance but the players who theoretically would bring more balance to the team don't do so to such a level that I think it's worth bringing what are clearly less talented players.

We've done this before with Abdelkader/Dubinsky/Stepan/Palmieri over Kessel in 2016 and it turned out disastrously. Don't overthink things

 

[WarriorofTime]

Is there a confirmed roster size?

23 (20 skaters + 3 goalies) I think

 

[MNRube]

I agree you need balance but the players who theoretically would bring more balance to the team don't do so to such a level that I think it's worth bringing what are clearly less talented players.

We've done this before with Abdelkader/Dubinsky/Stepan/Palmieri over Kessel in 2016 and it turned out disastrously. Don't overthink things

The problem with this assertion is that Carlson & Werenski are not clearly more talented than McAvoy & Sanderson.

The old Team USA failures are irrelevant. We are twice as good as previous renditions. If we roll out our 20 best offensive players and play pond hockey we will get steam-rolled.