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Are you excited about 4 Nations Cup?

  • Yes

    Votes: 71 31.3%

  • No

    Votes: 63 27.8%

  • Indifferent

    Votes: 90 39.6%

  • Other: Explain your reasoning with a post

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Total voters
    227
notbias said:
Relative to his teammates... he is 3rd on his team in TOI/GP, I am sorry that Cooper likes Marner.

You are ignoring the context of the game, it is the only way your argument works.

"The games that were the closest don't count, we must only count the blowout where all the star players played less"

Solid argument.
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Again. Marner started off with first line minutes and worked his way down to the 4th line due to play.

What part of that are you getting lost at?

1st game: 21:06
2nd game: 19:29
3rd game: 12:46

His ice time is declining every game. That is a fact. Last game he was the second lowest among all Canadian players.

If his ice time went in the opposite direction - wouldn't that be a better sign?
 
notbias said:
Relative to his teammates... he is 3rd on his team in TOI/GP, I am sorry that Cooper likes Marner.

You are ignoring the context of the game, it is the only way your argument works.

"The games that were the closest don't count, we must only count the blowout where all the star players played less"

Solid argument.



He has more TOI than Crosby, why are you all whining about the coach liking the player?
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He dropped his ice time because lack of performance. First game is a sample. Second was a hard test. Third game was the conclusion
 
McAvoy out for the final.

US getting hit with injuries like we were before the first game.

Lines looked great except for the 4th line in the latter half of the game but I think a US style game will be more suited to them.
 
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thewave said:
He dropped his ice time because lack of performance. First game is a sample. Second was a hard test. Third game was the conclusion
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He did the same for McDavid, Crosby, and MacKinnon... weird you think those players are having bad performances.
 
Mess said:
The championship final is going to be the statement game.

Going to see who the real money players are in this one.

Team USA has the goaltending no other team can touch, which is why the round robin results were what they were. IMO

"Defense wins Championships" :)
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Hellebuyck will be the biggest hurdle for Canada to overcome. I like their chances.
 
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Zybalto said:
McAvoy out for the final.

US getting hit with injuries like we were before the first game.

Lines looked great except for the 4th line in the latter half of the game but I think a US style game will be more suited to them.
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I wonder if those players will get the same treatment from their "fans" about being weak and soft?

Nobody disclosed what their injuries are either... weird, how dare they?
 
As usual, the only one in the big 3 I've found remotely threatening offensively is Nylander

Maybe that changes in the finals, but I strongly doubt it will
 
Zybalto said:
McAvoy out for the final.

US getting hit with injuries like we were before the first game.

Lines looked great except for the 4th line in the latter half of the game but I think a US style game will be more suited to them.
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People look at the lines changing as demotions when it's just simply trying to find the best combinations among a bunch of players that haven't played together.
The lineup last game is probably what most expected it to be from the start. It's just a really poor understanding of what's going on here.
 
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notbias said:
The fact you can't understand logic and context, that part.
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I wish Marner had the same passion as you do defending him. He'd be a better player.

Unfortunately:

1st game: 21:06
2nd game: 19:29
3rd game: 12:46

You can twist that how you want but I guarantee if Marner's ice time was reversed and started at 12:46 and his last game was 21:06 you'd be shouting it's value from the rooftops.

Of course because it's declining the more the coach sees him play it means nothing to you.
 
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Divine said:
I wish Marner had the same passion as you do defending him. He'd be a better player.

Unfortunately:

1st game: 21:06
2nd game: 19:29
3rd game: 12:46

You can twist that how you want but I guarantee if Marner's ice time was reversed and started at 12:46 and his last game was 21:06 you'd be shouting it's value from the rooftops.

Of course because it's declining the more the coach seems him play it means nothing to you.
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Do you understand what context is?

1st game: OT (more ice time)
2nd game: Normal close game
3rd game: Out of reach early

Your motive is clear.

MacKinnon's ice-time has dropped every game as well.

I can't argue with someone who doesn't use logic in their arguments, sorry.
 
SprDaVE said:
I wonder if those players will get the same treatment from their "fans" about being weak and soft?

Nobody disclosed what their injuries are either... weird, how dare they?
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SprDaVE said:
I wonder if those players will get the same treatment from their "fans" about being weak and soft?

Nobody disclosed what their injuries are either... weird, how dare they?
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Bruins fans are running through Web MD trying to figure out what’s wrong with him, from a heart issue to a broken clavicle so that’s pretty standard when there’s a mystery injury before a big game.

Plus, Matthews and Marner are pretty soft let’s be serious.
 
ACC1224 said:
No coincidence that he's also the only one who consistently cheats for offense .
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Well, when we pay big money for these guys to score I'm not against them cheating for offence. McDrai do it all the time - though Draisaitl has improved defensively this year - and their defensive lapses rarely outweigh their offensive production

Matthews turning into Phillip Danault every big game is horrible for us
 
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Divine said:
Yes, I agree that he was given a lot of ice time before they saw him play.

Unfortunately for him, it continues to go down when they see him play and don't just look at his stats after selection.

I don't understand how bragging about his ice time in his first game while the team is still evaluating players is as relevant as his declining ice time?

They've now evaluated him and have him slated as a 4th line forward. You don't got to remind us of the opportunity he was gifted and blown - we know.
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Least physical team Sweden .. Most physical team USA .. Must win game Finland.

Declining TOI/g and opportunity as the physicality increase, and the need and pressure for required winning team results increases helps explain usage.

Elevating Brayden Point intro the top 6, returned immediate positive results. Marner now used in a defensive/checking role better fits his lack of goal scoring abilities, but plays to a strength. When TB won their 2 Cups it was Point that lead them in playoff goal scoring with 14 each season.
 
leafsfan5 said:
Well, when we pay big money for these guys to score I'm not against them cheating for offence. McDrai do it all the time - though Draisaitl has improved defensively this year - and their defensive lapses rarely outweigh their offensive production

Matthews turning into Phillip Danault every big game is horrible for us
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For sure offense is good, I was just adding context to your post.
 
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notbias said:
Do you understand what context is?

1st game: OT (more ice time)
2nd game: Normal close game
3rd game: Out of reach early

Your motive is clear.

MacKinnon's ice-time has dropped every game as well.

I can't argue with someone who doesn't use logic in their arguments, sorry.
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That doesn't even make sense. Relative to his peers his ice-time dropped dramatically. When is Marner trusted if he's benched when the game is out of reach? Which, by the way isn't true because he wasn't playing much even when the game was within reach but it's clear you're just making stuff up at this point so I'll let you argue against yourself.
 
ACC1224 said:
People look at the lines changing as demotions when it's just simply trying to find the best combinations among a bunch of players that haven't played together.
The lineup last game is probably what most expected it to be from the start. It's just a really poor understanding of what's going on here.
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We can be realistic here and still say it was a demotion as it wasnt working the way the team envisioned and he was dropped from the 1st to third line and Reinhart wasn't working either and he was dropped to the 2nd (and Reinhart makes more sense with Mac than Marner IMO) but what's important is that the scoring lines were working in the final game leading up to the tournament.

Little worried about the 4th line as they were the ones who let the Fins back into the game and we're the least impressive of the 3 lines.

I thought Nylander was good last night but struggled the previous 2 games to find space.
 
Stephen said:
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Bruins fans are running through Web MD trying to figure out what’s wrong with him, from a heart issue to a broken clavicle so that’s pretty standard when there’s a mystery injury before a big game.

Plus, Matthews and Marner are pretty soft let’s be serious.
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Are they? I'd love to see that. Boston, Ottawa and Florida certainly will not divulge what is going on with them unless the players announce it because you know, they are human beings with rights.

So are the majority of the players at that tournament. It's a subjective buzz word with wildly moveable goal posts.
 
Gotta remember the 2nd line was part of the shuffle too as it wasnt working either.

Short tourney like this its hard to find chemistry and you just can't force it.

Has the biggest disappointment of the touney been Pettersson? (Aka the Swedish Gretzky)
 
Zybalto said:
Gotta remember the 2nd line was part of the shuffle too as it wasnt working either.

Short tourney like this its hard to find chemistry and you just can't force it.

Has the biggest disappointment of the touney been Pettersson? (Aka the Swedish Gretzky)
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Over the course of the 3 games they've shuffled everyone around finding the right combination.
 
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ACC1224 said:
Over the course of the 3 games they've shuffled everyone around finding the right combination.
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Mac and Reinhart have looked great together and lost otherwise 5v5.

Almost a decade since the last BoB makes things really tough to guage as a coach.
 
SprDaVE said:
Are they? I'd love to see that. Boston, Ottawa and Florida certainly will not divulge what is going on with them unless the players announce it because you know, they are human beings with rights.

So are the majority of the players at that tournament.
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Well, they’re all speculating over there in Bruins land and I’m sure they’ll keep on speculating.
 
Zybalto said:
Mac and Reinhart have looked great together and lost otherwise 5v5.

Almost a decade since the last BoB makes things really tough to guage as a coach.
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Exactly.
Some are so fixated on Marner but this isn't about him, it's about finding the right combination to find the team success.
 
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