Post-Game Talk: #4 | Flyers at Panthers | October 19, 2022 | Loss 4-3

[flyerslducks]

i saw mac fly in on the forecheck with speed for a hit... only for him to miss, fall, lose his stick, and then get up and do nothing. this happened like twice lol

 

[Striiker]

The only forward on the team that's a worse option than MacEwen is Deslauriers. So the fact that Laczynski was at the bottom, when he's 100x the player either of them are, is inexcusable, even for the biggest Torts simp.

Indisputable fact is that Torts is exactly the awful coach we thought he was, is exactly as against skill and youth as we knew he was, and is exactly as big of a lying hypocrite as all coaches are. There's no such thing as accountability on this team and if anyone claims there is, they're lying too.

Quality of play has zero impact on their usage. Fact.

 

[pooch]

Contrarians and refusing to answer a yes or no question asking their opinion on something, name a more iconic duo.

Maybe if the close their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears the won't have to think about these FACTS they are refusing to acknowledge exist.

If you can only handle yes or no answers, then maybe your questions are better left ignored.

It happens all the time in games where the best players dont get the most ES ice time. Sometimes players get skipped a shift or two because the coach doesnt think they are going hard enough. Maybe the lines are jumbled because players are making stupid mistakes. Maybe the chemistry isn't there for whatever reason. There are a lot of factors that go into it. That said, I dont like very much about this team right now and that includes MacEwen in the lineup and on the 2nd line.

i saw mac fly in on the forecheck with speed for a hit... only for him to miss, fall, lose his stick, and then get up and do nothing. this happened like twice lol

Ha...he reminded me of Taz several times last night.

 

[freakydallas13]

If you can only handle yes or no answers, then maybe your questions are better left ignored.

It happens all the time in games where the best players dont get the most ES ice time. Sometimes players get skipped a shift or two because the coach doesnt think they are going hard enough. Maybe the lines are jumbled because players are making stupid mistakes. Maybe the chemistry isn't there for whatever reason. There are a lot of factors that go into it. That said, I dont like very much about this team right now and that includes MacEwen in the lineup and on the 2nd line.


Ha...he reminded me of Taz several times last night.

If your opinions are so frail they are defeated by a yes or no question asking for your opinion, then maybe your stances aren't as valid as they seemed.

The yes or no question is "do you think x", not some serious metaphysical question like "is there an afterlife". They can't even answer a yes/no question about what they think.

That is the absolute bare minimum to have a conversation with someone.

 

[pooch]

If your opinions are so frail they are defeated by a yes or no question asking for your opinion, then maybe your stances aren't as valid as they seemed.

The yes or no question is "do you think x", not some serious metaphysical question like "is there an afterlife". They can't even answer a yes/no question about what they think.

That is the absolute bare minimum to have a conversation with someone.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it didnt really seem like you wanted a real conversation with such a simpleton's yes/no question.

 

[freakydallas13]

Maybe I'm wrong, but it didnt really seem like you wanted a real conversation with such a simpleton's yes/no question.

Hard to have a real conversation when the people you are talking to refuse to clarify what they think.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It’s about knowing how to read the game which you have demonstrated no understanding of. Knowing when is a right time and when is not. Doesn’t happen every game.

As for Zac give credit when it’s due. He played well last night. Don’t expect it to last but I guess you never know.

Ah so it's all just a huge fairy tale.

He played well for his standards, perhaps. Per NHL standards, no he didn't.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

"Do you think the best forward deserves the most 5v5 ice time" isn't a yes or no question? LOL, okay champ.

I clearly stated in the previous post it was 5v5 ice time, which MacEwan lead all forwards in.

Do you think he deserved the most ice time of all forwards at 5v5, yes or no?

But as I addressed, if you want to argue the same single player should automatically get the most ice time every single night, regardless of any & all context, no I don’t think that should be the case & I think it’s moronic to contend it should be.

I’ve already answered your disingenuous, no-context, pathetic attempt at a gotcha question.

I suppose you think Carter Hart should play 82 games per year because he’s their best goalie & context has no part to play.

 

[Beef Invictus]

MacEwen wasnt their best player, so there is no reason for him to have led in any TOI category.

Tortorella is displaying the sort of incompetence that's kept his teams from actually going anywhere for nearly two decades.

 

[freakydallas13]

I’ve already answered your disingenuous, no-context, pathetic attempt at a gotcha question.

I suppose you think Carter Hart should play 82 games per year because he’s their best goalie & context has no part to play.

"Do you think MacEwan deserves the most 5v5 icetime of any forward" is a question asking you your opinion LMAO. Today I learned asking someone their opinion is a no-context, pathetic attempt at a gotcha question. Sounds like someone doesn't like the FACTS I am asking them about. Where have I seen that before I wonder?

"Do you think X?"
"NICE TRY YOU CANT TRAP ME WITH YOUR GOTCHA"

But thank you for answering. Finally. Now, do you think giving a forward who doesn't deserve the most 5v5 ice time the most 5v5 ice team means the coach is giving ice time based on merit?

Is this Hart statement a no-context, pathetic attempt at a gotcha? Just trying to keep your statements consistent here.

And yeah man, you got me. I asked you if you think MacEwan deserves the most 5v5 ice time of any forward, so logically I think Hart should start 82 games because he's the best goalie. I definitely said that and you didn't put words in my mouth or anything, that's a logical conclusion of my question.

 

[deadhead]

Contrarians and refusing to answer a yes or no question asking their opinion on something, name a more iconic duo.

Maybe if the close their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears the won't have to think about these FACTS they are refusing to acknowledge exist.

Usually when someone demands a yes or no answer, they have no interest in intelligent discussion, they're just trying to score points.

I have no idea what the reward is for "winning" these kinds of arguments. Getting a gold star from the hive?

Here's the total TOI per game so far
Farabee 20:48
Hayes 20:14
TK 20:04
JVR 19:00
N Cates 17:54
Laughton 16:51
Frost 14:31
Allison 14:27

MacEwen 13:24
Laczynski 9:59
J Cates 8:22
Deslauriers 8:20

Now add Couts, Atkinson and Tippett, and only one of the bottom four plays each night.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Carter Hart. 82 games per year. The @freakydallas13 approach.

 

[freakydallas13]

Carter Hart. 82 games per year. The @freakydallas13 approach.

Wow, talk about a disingenuous, no-context, pathetic attempt at a gotcha statement.

Where did I say that btw, without it being 100% sarcasm?

 

[Tripod]

Torts is a SC winning coach. If he thinks Big Mac deserves the most ES icetime, he can't be questioned or wrong. He MUST be right.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Is giving a player, who just had two moronic penalties the game before while averaging more penalties than the “brain dead” NAK, more playing time considered accountability?

Asking for a friend.

 

[Beef Invictus]

"Do you think MacEwan deserves the most 5v5 icetime of any forward" is a question asking you your opinion LMAO. Today I learned asking someone their opinion is a no-context, pathetic attempt at a gotcha question. Sounds like someone doesn't like the FACTS I am asking them about. Where have I seen that before I wonder?

"Do you think X?"
"NICE TRY YOU CANT TRAP ME WITH YOUR GOTCHA"

But thank you for answering. Finally. Now, do you think giving a forward who doesn't deserve the most 5v5 ice time the most 5v5 ice team means the coach is giving ice time based on merit?

Is this Hart statement a no-context, pathetic attempt at a gotcha? Just trying to keep your statements consistent here.

And yeah man, you got me. I asked you if you think MacEwan deserves the most 5v5 ice time of any forward, so logically I think Hart should start 82 games because he's the best goalie. I definitely said that and you didn't put words in my mouth or anything, that's a logical conclusion of my question.

Remember, you're dealing with the person who brought us this hit:

GB: Isnt it interesting that the team is on a win streak with Ghost benched? Isn't it interesting they're winning with Hagg in? Look at their wins/losses, the team wins more playing Hagg. Obviously the team must be better when Hagg plays.

Me: are you trying to say you think Hagg is better than Ghost?

GB: I NEVER EXPLICITLY SAID THAT HOW DARE YOU

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Missed the game.
I’m not bummed

 

[Beef Invictus]

Usually when someone demands a yes or no answer, they have no interest in intelligent discussion, they're just trying to score points.

I have no idea what the reward is for "winning" these kinds of arguments. Getting a gold star from the hive?

Here's the total TOI per game so far
Farabee 20:48
Hayes 20:14
TK 20:04
JVR 19:00
N Cates 17:54
Laughton 16:51
Frost 14:31
Allison 14:27

MacEwen 13:24
Laczynski 9:59
J Cates 8:22
Deslauriers 8:20

Now add Couts, Atkinson and Tippett, and only one of the bottom four plays each night.

Usually it means we are dealing with someone so impossible to reason with that the only way to get somwhere is to ask the most basic questions about reality.

For example, is sending down young prospects so washed up non-NHL quality veterans can play a youth movement?

 

[freakydallas13]

Is giving a player, who just had two moronic penalties the game before while averaging more penalties than the “brain dead” NAK, more playing time considered accountability?

Asking for a friend.

Nice try, you can't corner me with this pathetic attempt at a GOTCHA.

Jk, that's dumb as hell.

Remember, you're dealing with the person who brought us this hit:

GB: Isnt it interesting that the team is on a win streak with Ghost benched? Isn't it interesting they're winning with Hagg in? Look at their wins/losses, the team wins more playing Hagg. Obviously the team must be better when Hagg plays.

Me: are you trying to say you think Hagg is better than Ghost?

GB: I NEVER EXPLICITLY SAID THAT HOW DARE YOU

Whoa, seems to me like the person who loves to call others disingenuous does that to others frequently.

Big if true!

 

[deadhead]

Usually it means we are dealing with someone so impossible to reason with that the only way to get someone is to ask the most basic questions about reality.

For example, is sending down young prospects so washed up non-NHL quality veterans can play a youth movement?

That's exactly what I mean.
Are you sending down a prospect who deserves to play? Allison, N Cates, Frost, Zamula are getting plenty of PT.

York, Attard are probably better served playing big minutes in LHV right now.
J Cates, Laczynski are 25 year old 4th line forwards, MacEwen is a 26 year old marginal fourth line forward. Yawn.
So context matters in answering that question.

The mess that was the Flyers last season was a poor environment for player development.
There is a balance between trying to win meaningless games and just throwing a bunch of kids in there and let them skate around like headless chickens.
You want to establish some structure and cohesion, then gradually work kids in as they're ready.

PS: If Seeler keeps playing this well, you might want to give him enough PT to create trade value at the TDL, if Hagg garnered a 6th rd pick, Seeler might get you a 5th or higher from a PO team that needs depth. We do want to stockpile picks, don't we?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Not disingenuous at all, @freakydallas13 .

You’ve argued that your best player should play the most minutes every game.

Carter Hart is their best goalie.

So obviously your stance is that Hart should play every night.

Otherwise, the Flyers would be giving more minutes to a worse player over a better player.

Are you suddenly backing down from your opinion? Yes or no?

 

[Beef Invictus]

That's exactly what I mean.
Are you sending down a prospect who deserves to play? Allison, N Cates, Frost, Zamula are getting plenty of PT.

York, Attard are probably better served playing big minutes in LHV right now.
J Cates, Laczynski are 25 year old 4th line forwards, MacEwen is a 26 year old marginal fourth line forward. Yawn.
So context matters in answering that question.

The mess that was the Flyers last season was a poor environment for player development.
There is a balance between trying to win meaningless games and just throwing a bunch of kids in there and let them skate around like headless chickens.
You want to establish some structure and cohesion, then gradually work kids in as they're ready.

PS: If Seeler keeps playing this well, you might want to give him enough PT to create trade value at the TDL, if Hagg garnered a 6th rd pick, Seeler might get you a 5th or higher from a PO team that needs depth. We do want to stockpile picks, don't we?

Yes, the forward being sent down deserves to play over Sadlek. Easily. Attard is served by playing more. York should be in the NHL. MacEwen has demonstrated no upside.

And basically, the fact that you can't say "yes playing old inferior forwards over young better forwards with upside" but have to resort to all this hemming and hawing tells me you know it goes against everything you said about this year being a youth movement, but for some reason cannot criticize it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Not disingenuous at all, @freakydallas13 .

You’ve argued that your best player should play the most minutes every game.

Carter Hart is their best goalie.

So obviously your stance is that Hart should play every night.

Otherwise, the Flyers would be giving more minutes to a worse player over a better player.

Are you suddenly backing down from your opinion? Yes or no?

Do you perhaps think there is a difference between skater positions and goalies?

Another easy yes/no question.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Not disingenuous at all, @freakydallas13 .

You’ve argued that your best player should play the most minutes every game.

Carter Hart is their best goalie.

So obviously your stance is that Hart should play every night.

Otherwise, the Flyers would be giving more minutes to a worse player over a better player.

Are you suddenly backing down from your opinion? Yes or no?

Dude…. Come on.

 

[freakydallas13]

Not disingenuous at all, @freakydallas13 .

You’ve argued that your best player should play the most minutes every game.

Carter Hart is their best goalie.

So obviously your stance is that Hart should play every night.

Otherwise, the Flyers would be giving more minutes to a worse player over a better player.

Are you suddenly backing down from your opinion? Yes or no?

I inferred (and didn't state anywhere) that the best forward should have the most ice time 5v5.

Carter Hart is their best goalie, and also not a forward.

I don't think Carter Hart should play 82 games, nor should any goalie.

Pretty simple really. No one brought up anything other than forwards and 5v5 ice time until you did, just now.