Post-Game Talk: #37 - 12/27/19 | hurricanes @ RANGERS | 7:00 - MSG

[CasusBelli]

That all depends what you can sign him for. 7 for 7 is too much but maybe he takes a home team discount. He is a valuable forward though. He does things other's don't do and is a presence in front of the net which this team lacks. He scored 28 goals last year and is on pace for around 25 this year. He does have his moments where he disappears which is frustrating but make no mistake this team would miss him. Aside from his physical skills he's also a good veteran guy to have for such a young team. I for one hope they can get a deal done that works for both sides.

Also a great locker room guy and, from what I’ve heard from friends, a great influence overall (Captain Serious meets Zucc).

 

[NYRangers0723]

Also a great locker room guy and, from what I’ve heard from friends, a great influence overall (Captain Serious meets Zucc).

. True. Also it’s gonna be tough to replace what he brings. Even when he is not scoring his net presence alone helps guys like Zib shoot it. Playing physical and chasing down loose picks which causes more sustained offensive zone pressure.

 

[will1066]

That all depends what you can sign him for. 7 for 7 is too much but maybe he takes a home team discount. He is a valuable forward though. He does things other's don't do and is a presence in front of the net which this team lacks. He scored 28 goals last year and is on pace for around 25 this year. He does have his moments where he disappears which is frustrating but make no mistake this team would miss him. Aside from his physical skills he's also a good veteran guy to have for such a young team. I for one hope they can get a deal done that works for both sides.

Not enough for him to stay, in my opinion. Someone else can be trained to do net front presence and deflection goals. Someone else can be had to provide physical skills. Those are not innate and can be teased out. I agree that he is a veteran presence. Only will say yes to him staying if he accepts a hometown discount.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Not enough for him to stay, in my opinion. Someone else can be trained to do net front presence and deflection goals. Someone else can be had to provide physical skills. Those are not innate and can be teased out. I agree that he is a veteran presence. Only will say yes to him staying if he accepts a hometown discount.

I think you are not giving Kreider enough credit. Look I agree he is gonna be traded but he will be missed and it’s not easily replaceable what he brings

 

[MickeyT]

home team discounts don’t apply to open-ended rebuilds. CK is about to get paid. best case scenario, we get his best effort, ride a hot streak into late Feb, and position for a wild card before we send him off on a cup run for a 1st and some junk.

 

[OverTheCap]

After last night's game, I can understand why the sentiment would be to keep Kreider.

But, as always, the main issue with Kreider is consistency. There are still far too many games where he's a non-factor, and his size and speed aren't being utilized to their potential. It would be a no-brainer to extend him if he played most of his games like he did last night, but his streakiness is what makes me leery.

 

[NYRangers0723]

After last night's game, I can understand why the sentiment would be to keep Kreider.

But, as always, the main issue with Kreider is consistency. There are still far too many games where he's a non-factor, and his size and speed aren't being utilized to their potential. It would be a no-brainer to extend him if he played most of his games like he did last night, but his streakiness is what makes me leery.

it’s very difficult for any player to play like that every game takes too much of a toll

 

[Larrybiv]

After last night's game, I can understand why the sentiment would be to keep Kreider.

But, as always, the main issue with Kreider is consistency. There are still far too many games where he's a non-factor, and his size and speed aren't being utilized to their potential. It would be a no-brainer to extend him if he played most of his games like he did last night, but his streakiness is what makes me leery.

Ditto. He was a freaking unstoppable beast. Like u said, a no brainer, and yeah Mika and co. will miss him (if indeed that happens)......but I think this decision is HUGE, to say the least.
What if Gorton has it in his head "one of" Chris or Strome?
Weigh the returns, (the value) what it would cost to re-sign and hope for the best.
We NEED an almost NHL ready forward in return. Otherwise this will really hurt. Either or both gone.
If the PO's are what Quinn is gunning for, it will be impossible w/o them.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Ditto. He was a freaking unstoppable beast. Like u said, a no brainer, and yeah Mika and co. will miss him (if indeed that happens)......but I think this decision is HUGE, to say the least.
What if Gorton has it in his head "one of" Chris or Strome?
Weigh the returns, (the value) what it would cost to re-sign and hope for the best.
We NEED an almost NHL ready forward in return. Otherwise this will really hurt. Either or both gone.
If the PO's are what Quinn is gunning for, it will be impossible w/o them.

We BETTER get a big return for Kreider because we will damn sure miss what he brings. Consistency aside players like that don’t just grow on trees

 

[Larrybiv]

Panarin can kick all he wants (the more, the better), he even did it on his Strome assist........he just needs to make sure no Ranger is around. Really looks like an accident waiting to happen, and wouldnt be surprised if the NHL banishes "the kick" for its dangerous possibilities.

 

[Kovalev27]

Chemistry with our top player and brings a very different element than the rest of our top wingers. Not to mention the net front presence on the PP.

Kravtsov is going to be a better Buchnevich. To me you keep Kreider who is going to slow down around the same time Superman does freak athlete. Trade Buchnevich. He’s redundant when you have Kakko Kravtsov and Panarin. We don’t have anyone close to resembling what Kreider will bring over the next 5 years.

 

[Leonardo87]

Chemistry with our top player and brings a very different element than the rest of our top wingers. Not to mention the net front presence on the PP.

Kravtsov is going to be a better Buchnevich. To me you keep Kreider who is going to slow down around the same time Superman does freak athlete. Trade Buchnevich. He’s redundant when you have Kakko Kravtsov and Panarin. We don’t have anyone close to resembling what Kreider will bring over the next 5 years.

I would try and keep Kreider. I don’t see him breaking down 5 or even 6 years from
Now.

 

[NYRangers0723]

I would try and keep Kreider. I don’t see him breaking down 5 or even 6 years from
Now.

as long as the contract isn’t crazy I think keeping Kreider is important. I don’t think Kreider wants to leave so I think he would take less but who knows

 

[Kovalev27]

I don’t see how trading Kreider and keeping Buchnevich makes us better. Really don’t. That’s another very big step backwards if anything.

 

[NYRangers0723]

I don’t see how trading Kreider and keeping Buchnevich makes us better. Really don’t. That’s another very big step backwards if anything.

Agreed. I like Buch but it’s much much harder to replace Kreider. Now I understand we may have no choice because of cap issues but I rather keep Kreider than Buch if we have the choice

 

[Kovalev27]

Trading Buch clears up the space you clear up even more space by buying out Staal which they should do anyway.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Agreed. I like Buch but it’s much much harder to replace Kreider. Now I understand we may have no choice because of cap issues but I rather keep Kreider than Buch if we have the choice

If we could sign him for 3 or 4 years I would understand it more, but given he will likely get 6 or 7 years it would be too much of a risk. Cap hit isn't really the big problem for Kreider it will be term.

 

[Leonardo87]

Trading Buch clears up the space you clear up even more space by buying out Staal which they should do anyway.

After next year will have 3 big contracts falling off, and the Shattenkirk cap hit drops substantially. Keeping Kreider is less than a risk than hoping someone who replaces him can bring all that he does. We all know what Kreider can bring and that’s why teams will be willing to overpay and is why we are in this position.

 

[Kovalev27]

I guess I don’t fear buyouts as much as others do. We don’t have these crazy 15 year contracts anymore. It’s part of the league every team uses them. If Kreider fell off a cliff in 4 or years I buy him out. I don’t have any other buy outs there by that point.

You need him for a 5 year window not signing him imo pushes our rebuild backwards. You’ll be looking at a 4th and 5th year without playoffs. That’s not acceptable.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I've always thought we should move Kreider but if the thinking is that Buchnevich isnt going to be a top 6 player on this team and Kreider is then maybe you keep him over Buch but imo the contract has to be 5 years or less and under 30 mill. I don't feel Kreider takes that though.

Yeah it gets risky with the number of years at this point.

It's probably best to flip him especially if he's on fire for a bit.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I guess I don’t fear buyouts as much as others do. We don’t have these crazy 15 year contracts anymore. It’s part of the league every team uses them. If Kreider fell off a cliff in 4 or years I buy him out. I don’t have any other buy outs there by that point.

You need him for a 5 year window not signing him imo pushes our rebuild backwards. You’ll be looking at a 4th and 5th year without playoffs. That’s not acceptable.

I think given the real time team of success, it would behoove the team to hold onto a buyout option for an actual pressure situation. Speeding up nothing is just a waste.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

After last night's game, I can understand why the sentiment would be to keep Kreider.

But, as always, the main issue with Kreider is consistency. There are still far too many games where he's a non-factor, and his size and speed aren't being utilized to their potential. It would be a no-brainer to extend him if he played most of his games like he did last night, but his streakiness is what makes me leery.

They only way Id keep Kreider is if we only remember last night , and don't take into account his age , length of contract he will demand , his history of being a bit flakey even during years when he was going to get a homerun contract, and how we could probably get a ransom for him at the deadline.

Now knowing the short term memory of HF Boards, that would mean we keep him until the next loss when we must get rid of him.

 

[ohbaby]

Agreed. I like Buch but it’s much much harder to replace Kreider. Now I understand we may have no choice because of cap issues but I rather keep Kreider than Buch if we have the choice

I am not looking forward to the trade deadline. Everytime you guys talk about it, makes me sad. I keep thinking of Zucc and Hayes. It will be tough to say goodbye to Kreids. And if you think this won't effect Zibad's play, think again. In fact, I could see this whole team falling apart at the seams after the TD with Kreids gone.

It is just a sad part of hockey I will never feel good about.

 

[ohbaby]

We own the Canes. We match up well against them. This win was expected, just like when we played the Ducks two games back, missing their top 3 scorers. These were games we had to win.

Tonight is much more of a challenge. Facing Toronto in a second game of a back to back. Time to step up and make some progress.