Post-Game Talk: #37 - 12/27/19 | hurricanes @ RANGERS | 7:00 - MSG

[ReggieDunlop68]

Agreed Bob tho this year was never really about making the playoffs at least to me it wasn't. This year was all about getting the kids integrated into the Ranger system and learning what it takes to be a player in the NHL. So making the playoffs was likely a longshot to happen despite bringing in the Troubas, Panarins of the world.

Now that said and too your point, what would be fantastic and I've mentioned this before in a few posts, it would be awesome if the Rangers can stay competitive enough and close enough to the playoff periphery to where we have important March hockey games.

That my friend would be enormous for the kids to experience as intense stressful games where every shift is important is the kind of experience which is immeasurable and will help the Kakko's,Foxe's,Chytil's, Lindgrens, Howdens, Georgie's...etc down the line so that when we are a true playoff team which I anticipate will be next season, they'll know what to expect and they'll be able to handle , the pressure better.

Overall I have to say I'm pretty damn happy with how the season has gone. As you said, we've beaten some elite teams in the league, the kids are getting experience, we are watching two guys...Mika and Panarin become in front of our eyes two of the best fwds this team has ever had at the same time and we are competitive.

I dunno maybe I'm on an island here but honestly, I really could not ask for much more than what has occurred other than Lias having worked out and maybe Kravstov having been here since the get go. But other than those two hiccups, the rebuild that has been orchestrated for the most part by Gorton has gone as well as we could have possibly expected. So I be a happy camper despite some maddeningly frustrating losses we suffer at times which when you have as young a team as well is to be expected.

OK on to Toronto and let's get some revenge as they kicked our asses last time we played them!

It took the Lundqvist Rangers from 2005 all the way to 2012, to be in a the striking window that lasted from 2012-2015 [I still feel that 2015 was a possibly a necessary yet in a probability sense massive gamble , but I digress]

And that doesn't even take into account all the errors by the Rangers and the league itself from 95 onward, that led to the changes in the organization.

I don't try to chastise posts that miss the just for sports. My issue was, and as you stated, I don't see how any observant viewer could think that this change would be quick.

 

[haveandare]

The chances of him resigning and staying are very high

Very interesting. Wonder what he’d sign for

 

[duhmetreE]

As a side note... Chytil has to see Panarin coming down, WIDE OPEN in the slot... He was even calling for it

It worked out in the end

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

I have zero doubt that Buchnevich will be dealt at the deadline. IMO, they will keep Kreider. The Oilers are amazingly, screwing it up again. I see a match there.

 

[kovazub94]

Strome got the hat tonight btw

Pffff, this is nothing. He got my star vote here - much more valuable!

 

[NYR Viper]

Strome is going to finish the year with 60 points. It’s not that ridiculous to think of the team and Strome finding a nice contract to keep him around to permanently play with Panarin. Especially is they can get him at a perceived discount at reasonable term. It’s not a popular opinion I’m sure but it’s very possible.

 

[BBKers]

Bobbop is right as usual. Unless they get a sugarcoated offer, they are likely going to keep Fast for draft purposes. 2,8M x 4 or something like that.

 

[will1066]

didn't watch much. got a lot going on. was good game? stats made the first period look no good

You've been missing games, but we'll keep the light on for ya. It was the Mika and Panarin show again, with Kreider making an appearance. Staal and Skjei were abortions. Hank was good. Lemmy got hurt.

 

[NYROrtsFan]

Just want to say that the current lines are our best to run with. Kreider should always be with Zib and Strome should always be with breadman. Just natural chemistry.

Also like the current configuration of the power play.

Lemmy getting hurt really sucks... He brings something we don't have with the physicality but we also have no forward depth on this team.

 

[rangerfan_79]

Over the course of a 60 minute hockey game against a good hockey team there are going to be some bad plays as the 2 you mentioned were. There were more also. There were also some very good plays as well. Are we going to gloss over them as well?

The plays i mentioned were directly related to hockey IQ issues. In important games those metal gaffe's can make the difference between building a winning team or having a perennial middle of the pack playoff bubble team.

By glossing over I meant we won so these get looked over. If we lost then every misstep would be magnified.

 

[MickeyT]

I have zero doubt that Buchnevich will be dealt at the deadline. IMO, they will keep Kreider.

hot take. and impossibly hot take.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Strome is going to finish the year with 60 points. It’s not that ridiculous to think of the team and Strome finding a nice contract to keep him around to permanently play with Panarin. Especially is they can get him at a perceived discount at reasonable term. It’s not a popular opinion I’m sure but it’s very possible

It’s very possible but I’m hoping Gorton knows better and sells high

 

[Good Intentions]

10 minutes into last night, it really felt like Carolina would finally reverse the curse. Never fade a streak, we just have their number...

Asking for a lot coming off a 2am flight, but if Georgiev can work his Toronto magic tonight...man, that would be a nice setup to the Western Canada trip.

 

[FultonReed]

You've been missing games, but we'll keep the light on for ya. It was the Mika and Panarin show again, with Kreider making an appearance. Staal and Skjei were abortions. Hank was good. Lemmy got hurt.

between work and having an ailing father, shits just kinda....not fun right now lol thanks for the rundown, Willy, you're a good dude.


would Brady be the odd man out, once our younger D prospects make an appearance? every guy not named Brady Skjei seems to be making a case to stay on this team for the long haul.

and I'm really happy our top forwards keep showing up to play. great for the younger guys to look up to.

 

[Leonardo87]

I have zero doubt that Buchnevich will be dealt at the deadline. IMO, they will keep Kreider. The Oilers are amazingly, screwing it up again. I see a match there.

I would keep Kreider on a 6 and 6 deal. Especially if he can continue to be a 25-25 player while bringing his intangibles. Problem is he wants to break the bank, and he has every right to. Some teams will offer him 7 and 7, and that’s just too much and too long.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I've always thought we should move Kreider but if the thinking is that Buchnevich isnt going to be a top 6 player on this team and Kreider is then maybe you keep him over Buch but imo the contract has to be 5 years or less and under 30 mill. I don't feel Kreider takes that though.

 

[will1066]

between work and having an ailing father, ****s just kinda....not fun right now lol thanks for the rundown, Willy, you're a good dude.


would Brady be the odd man out, once our younger D prospects make an appearance? every guy not named Brady Skjei seems to be making a case to stay on this team for the long haul.

and I'm really happy our top forwards keep showing up to play. great for the younger guys to look up to.

Sorry about your father, man.

The faster the defense turns over Skjei and Staal to Hajek and Rykov before the likes of Miller and Robertson reach top pro, the better.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

One of the worst games that I’ve seen Staal play.

needs to be 86’d ASAP.

 

[will1066]

Too many nights where Kreider is not a difference maker. Do not let the current hot streak fool you. Sell.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

The plays i mentioned were directly related to hockey IQ issues. In important games those metal gaffe's can make the difference between building a winning team or having a perennial middle of the pack playoff bubble team.

By glossing over I meant we won so these get looked over. If we lost then every misstep would be magnified.

I hear ya. Skjei is one of the players that I expected to be better by this point in his career. It looks like he is who he is unfortunately.

 

[Blue Blooded]

One of the worst games that I’ve seen Staal play.

needs to be 86’d ASAP.

Aside from a small stretch where he was paired with Fox where they somehow managed to put up great on-ice results, Staal has struggled by greater magnitudes than ever before this year.

He's been almost exclusively paired with DeAngelo this season, to the latter's great detriment. In fact, DeAngelo puts up 5v5 points at the same rate as John Carlson (2.24 5v5 P/60, 1.70 5v5 P1/60 this season) whenever he gets away from Staal.

Player		TOI	G	A	A1	A2	P	P1	P/60	P1/60	IPP	GF/60	CF%	xGF%	GF%
DeAngelo	with Staal	184.17	0	3	0	3	3	0	0.98	0.00	0.60	1.63	36.94	36.38	41.67
DeAngelo	without Staal	367.28	4	10	6	4	14	10	2.29	1.63	0.61	3.76	49.31	49.36	57.50
DeAngelo	total	551.45	4	13	6	7	17	10	1.85	1.09	0.61	3.05	45.50	45.82	53.85
Staal	with DeAngelo	184.17	1	2	2	0	3	3	0.98	0.98	0.60	1.63	36.94	36.38	41.67
Staal	without DeAngelo	123.80	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.00	0.00	0.00	1.45	37.45	37.98	50.00
Staal	total	307.97	1	2	2	0	3	3	0.58	0.58	0.37	1.56	37.15	37.03	44.44

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The Carlson comparison isn't even entirely unfair, as Carlson doesn't have a partner with more than 12 minutes of shared TOI that has nearly as significantly tanked his GF/60 as Staal has for DeAngelo.

Looking at Staal's totals it goes without saying that he is in a spearate category (along with Hajek) leaguewide in terms of poor shot metrics. And looking at the results of Skjei-Trouba and how Hajek/Staal has done away from the toughest matchups, it is clear that the issue isn't usage related.

 

[NYRangers0723]

As a side note... Chytil has to see Panarin coming down, WIDE OPEN in the slot... He was even calling for it

It worked out in the end

one thing Chytil has to work on in his passing especially if his future is at center. Too many times he tries to go through 2-3 guys on his own when there is a wide open player going to the net. Last night it worked but it needs to be improved

 

[nyr2k2]

Something needs to be done about that fourth line.

I legitimately think a full pack line of Beleskey-Fogarty-Nieves would be far better.

Can't agree more. I'm not going to argue that we need a fourth line that's fantastic like those ones with Boyle and Moore and Dorsett where they really give the team a jolt of energy, bit damn they need one that's not a liability. It's like we have the momentum, and that line goes out and sucks for 70 seconds and things totally shift. They contribute nothing and even if they're not getting lit up in terms of goals allowed, they're still a detriment to the rest of the team.

I don't think they want to call up Beleskey because of his salary. I could live with McKegg, though he has sucked. But yeah, McKegg-Fogarty-Nieves would probably be better than what we have.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Too many nights where Kreider is not a difference maker. Do not let the current hot streak fool you. Sell.

That all depends what you can sign him for. 7 for 7 is too much but maybe he takes a home team discount. He is a valuable forward though. He does things other's don't do and is a presence in front of the net which this team lacks. He scored 28 goals last year and is on pace for around 25 this year. He does have his moments where he disappears which is frustrating but make no mistake this team would miss him. Aside from his physical skills he's also a good veteran guy to have for such a young team. I for one hope they can get a deal done that works for both sides.

 

[CasusBelli]

I have zero doubt that Buchnevich will be dealt at the deadline. IMO, they will keep Kreider. The Oilers are amazingly, screwing it up again. I see a match there.

Keep CK and trade Buch? Unless it’s 7x7 for the K-man, I’m good with that!