Post-Game Talk: #34 - 12/20/19 | maple leafs @ RANGERS

[duhmetreE]

Lundqvist no longer a half of fame level player

Team is in a rebuild coming off their worst ROW season in franchise history

The reanimated corpse of Marc Staal is the only player on the roster from the years when the defense was decent

The correlation is Lindy Ruff!!!!!

Yes.... Henrik Lundqvist is the reason we give up a lot of high quality shots... and the reason for the increase in SA/g

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

That's why I looked it up...that would have been headline news (we actually had hockey coverage in those days).

(Also, technically there are still ties....they just changed the name to "loser points" to justify that extra point when they bragged to the masses they were eliminating ties altogether...Yes, a game always and a W or L -- however, if they were true to their word, they wouldn't be giving points out at the end of regulation because score is tied and OT is required (Note -- this is before the winner is even determined)...

No "loser points" only exist because there are no longer ties, and records get inflated from either holding on for the point , or for grabbing a few extra ones with a good shootout squad.

Anyway, the OP talked about "the old days" when more teams made the playoffs.

16 teams have made the 16 team playoff bracket since the 16 team playoff bracket started.

The only difference is less percent of teams makes it because there are more teams, yet even in the current 31 team league, more than half the league makes the playoffs.

I'm saying i don't know what the f*** he was referencing.

What if I started this post?

Tough loss tonight guys, but do any of you remember the days when New York City was a tropical rainforest? Man those were the days. Even if we lost the game, I could go catch some sweet surf waves with my best gal! But now Lindy Ruff f***ed up the whole thing..."

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Yes.... Henrik Lundqvist is the reason we give up a lot of high quality shots... and the reason for the increase in SA/g

No he isn't.

Re-read what I listed about the changes in team dynamics before I have to spell it out to you as if you were a pre-schooler.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Did not expect to make the playoffs. But its early to end the season before christmas. Surely one has to look into trading Zibanejad. For a team to have him for 3 playoffs for under 5,5 million must be worth a fortune for the Rangers.

so do you mean Kreider? Mika ain’t going nowhere

 

[duhmetreE]

No he isn't.

Re-read what I listed about the changes in team dynamics before I have to spell it out to you as if you were a pre-schooler.

You wrote non-sense. The years were laid out for you as simple as possible... Pre and Post Ruff. I'll post them again for you.... big font and in crayon

2015 - 215 GA 30.4 SA/g .914sv% average to good
2016 - 216 FA 30.2 SA/g .913sv% = average to good
enter Ruff
2017 - 263 GA 35.3 SA/g .909sv% = bad
2018 - 267 GA 33.8 SA/g .904sv% = bad
2019 - 258 GA 35.0 SA/g .910sv% *on pace = bad

What does a rebuilding team have to do with 2017? We were contenders in 2017 right? Nearly the same team from 2016. Yeah, the kids were the issue...

A decling HL means we give up more high-quality scoring chances and SOG? HL is the reason for the AV defense meme? He's the reason we jumped up from 216 to 268 GA?

There's a correlation between Ruff and the defensive decline.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

No "loser points" only exist because there are no longer ties, and records get inflated from either holding on for the point , or for grabbing a few extra ones with a good shootout squad.

..."

Riddle me this, Batman: why are they doling out points as soon as the buzzer sounds at the end of regulation? They only did that when there were tie games. According to Gary & The Girly Men, ties (and, supposedly, all that go with it) were gone....if the NHL were true to it's word there would be no points until there was a winner.

Saying a team got a point because they lost in OT or shootout is just plain stupid (WHAT AM I THINKING -- We're talking about NHL management and rule makers). (For what's worth, calling the column Overtime loss is just as stupid if the game goes to a shootout. Always wondered why there was no "SOL" column as well.)

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

You wrote non-sense. The years were laid out for you as simple as possible... Pre and Post Ruff. I'll post them again for you.... big font and in crayon

2015 - 215 GA 30.4 SA/g .914sv% average to good
2016 - 216 FA 30.2 SA/g .913sv% = average to good
enter Ruff
2017 - 263 GA 35.3 SA/g .909sv% = bad
2018 - 267 GA 33.8 SA/g .904sv% = bad
2019 - 258 GA 35.0 SA/g .910sv% *on pace = bad

What does a rebuilding team have to do with 2017? We were contenders in 2017 right? Nearly the same team from 2016. Yeah, the kids were the issue...

A decling HL means we give up more high-quality scoring chances and SOG? HL is the reason for the AV defense meme? He's the reason we jumped up from 216 to 268 GA?

There's a correlation between Ruff and the defensive decline.

And i'm saying this is out of context rubbish.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Riddle me this, Batman: why are they doling out points as soon as the buzzer sounds at the end of regulation? They only did that when there were tie games. According to Gary & The Girly Men, ties (and, supposedly, all that go with it) were gone....if the NHL were true to it's word there would be no points until there was a winner.

Saying a team got a point because they lost in OT or shootout is just plain stupid (WHAT AM I THINKING -- We're talking about NHL management and rule makers). (For what's worth, calling the column Overtime loss is just as stupid if the game goes to a shootout. Always wondered why there was no "SOL" column as well.)

I'm saying that in the tie era, there was greater obvious discrepancy in the standings, but that wasn't good for business because seeing a team 40 points out of the playoff by February didn't put asses in the seats.

In the loser point era , almost all the teams look like there in it. That's why there's this bit clusterf*** of shitty teams who "only missed the playoffs by 3 points" when in reality they would have trouble beating the early 90s Ottawa Senators.

That's the real issue with the loser point.

I will add that I have no idea where any of these conversations go anymore.

 

[Siddi]

Did not expect to make the playoffs. But its early to end the season before christmas. Surely one has to look into trading Zibanejad. For a team to have him for 3 playoffs for under 5,5 million must be worth a fortune for the Rangers.

Yes, lets trade our #1C and future captain of this team.

smh..

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I'm saying that in the tie era, there was greater obvious discrepancy in the standings, but that wasn't good for business because seeing a team 40 points out of the playoff by February didn't put asses in the seats.

In the loser point era , almost all the teams look like there in it. That's why there's this bit cluster**** of ****ty teams who "only missed the playoffs by 3 points" when in reality they would have trouble beating the early 90s Ottawa Senators.

That's the real issue with the loser point.

I will add that I have no idea where any of these conversations go anymore.

Sorry for coming off as an asshat -- I will never accept that term because it is so inherently wrong. I honestly believe the current "everyone is close" is due more to Bettman's insistence on "parody" (no I did not use the right wrong with the almost correct pronunciation) than the point system (and what he has done to accomplish this). He is so fixated on the cause fan, it hurts.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Sorry for coming off as an asshat -- I will never accept that term because it is so inherently wrong. I honestly believe the current "everyone is close" is due more to Bettman's insistence on "parody" (no I did not use the right wrong with the almost correct pronunciation) than the point system (and what he has done to accomplish this). He is so fixated on the cause fan, it hurts.

The loser point is part of the parity system

I 100% agree with you that there are other factors including those which you listed

 

[Ola]

Georgiev gave up 6 goals in the last 40 shots he faced before tonight, over the last 2 games. Then tonight he gave up 6 goals on 40 shots.

Hate to break it to you all but that is likely closer to what he’s going to be going forward than the 3 game hot streak at .965 sv%. He’s a talent for sure but he’s not going to be a legit star starter (imo of course) and that’s why we should try to sell high on him while we can. Sell high and call Igor up and now we have the Igor & Hank tandem PLUS whatever we get in a trade for Georgie.

Plus can’t help but lol at the fact that Uncle Larry posted and article today about the changing of the guard with Hank and Georgie and then Georgie has a brutal game. So ironic.

I am thinking the same thing, definitely not an expert on goalies but just what I also see.

And, in addition, one thing that I have been a bit irked about in the past -- and especially in relation to Cory Schneider who often has been hailed as such a great goalie -- is when a goalie is seen as a complete package without even having been in the POs. How can you even know if someone is a great goalie unless you have seen them handling a 7 game series, the pressure that brings on? The pressure during a regular season is really nothing compared to the POs. Of course this is not Geo's fault -- but my point is just, I still think he is very unproven.

JMHO, but it does seem like we are a bit rushed to fall in love with Georgiev. Maybe its because "he is better than Hank", which is true, but does that really say much in December 2019? Hank isn't peak Hank anymore. Someone better than him must not be "great" per definition.

 

[ETTER DE]

Yes, lets trade our #1C and future captain of this team.

smh..

You can shake your head all you want, Rangers traded their 1d and captain. I am not saying he should be traded for anything.
Mika is the piece that can give Rangers a future center. With 2 ,5 years left of his fantastic contract, you have to think there is a contending team out there who is willing to give up a great young center prospect++. Mika will be 29 when his contract ends. There is no reason to believe he will be resigned. Rangers is not winning the cup in the next two years. Maybe they can go for a run in 2021/22, but then they have to self rent him.

 

[B17 Apricots]

You can shake your head all you want, Rangers traded their 1d and captain. I am not saying he should be traded for anything.
Mika is the piece that can give Rangers a future center. With 2 ,5 years left of his fantastic contract, you have to think there is a contending team out there who is willing to give up a great young center prospect++. Mika will be 29 when his contract ends. There is no reason to believe he will be resigned. Rangers is not winning the cup in the next two years. Maybe they can go for a run in 2021/22, but then they have to self rent him.

When the time comes it may need to be explored. It'll really be based on what contract he'd take. With how's he's playing in a few years we're probably talking 10 mil per. By no means do I think anyone really would want to move him but there's plenty of examples of guys who played to a high level to 40 and plenty who absolutely did not. To me Joe Thornton is always gonna be the example, idk how many guys would be willing to take that route but to me that's ideal, you'll get your top money you just gotta prove it every few years. 4 contracts in a row at high money but 3 years at a time. Just stay with San Jose, Pavelski got 5 years when he was 30. Something like that for Zib and it's a no brainer you don't think twice about it... you look at San Jose now though? Good luck to them. Maybe it works out but they have guys signed FOR EVER. Logan, Vlasic, Karlsson, Burns, I'd be shocked if one of those doesn't become a complete albatross

Edit: I'm sure one of em will develop an allergy to ice and not count towards the cap

 

[ETTER DE]

so do you mean Kreider? Mika ain’t going nowhere

Kreider is not gonna get you an elite center prospect. But you have to see if Mika can.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

You can shake your head all you want, Rangers traded their 1d and captain. I am not saying he should be traded for anything.
Mika is the piece that can give Rangers a future center. With 2 ,5 years left of his fantastic contract, you have to think there is a contending team out there who is willing to give up a great young center prospect++. Mika will be 29 when his contract ends. There is no reason to believe he will be resigned. Rangers is not winning the cup in the next two years. Maybe they can go for a run in 2021/22, but then they have to self rent him.

Note: I'm not saying we should trade him

Only way I'd trade him is for a roster center like when we flipped BrassGod for him.

Otherwise, it's way, way too risky to swap him for a pick or prospect to hope we have a no1 center

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We wont be good until these things happen

Kakko finds his way in the nhl
Lundqvist, Staal, Smith are all off the books
Miller, Kravtsov, Lundqvist, Barron and Andersson are all producing in the nhl.

Having said that I'm not throwing the team under the bus for last nights loss, it came down to a 5 on 3 pp and a bad play by Strome that sunk us.

 

[leetch99]

We wont be good until these things happen

Kakko finds his way in the nhl
Lundqvist, Staal, Smith are all off the books
Miller, Kravtsov, Lundqvist, Barron and Andersson are all producing in the nhl.

Having said that I'm not throwing the team under the bus for last nights loss, it came down to a 5 on 3 pp and a bad play by Strome that sunk us.

Couple of bad calls did not help...Zibs Interference call and Fox call late in 2nd...both marginal at best....Oh well...plus we hit some posts a few times....was not all bad but was a good portion of it.....that Leaf kid Engvall...impressive .

 

[Inferno]

No it's not. He wasn't good but we were outshot 42-20, outplayed, and just beat by a more talented, better team.

We had a lot of quality chances. Hit what...2 or 3 posts? And georgiev gave up at least 2 or 3 trash goals? Most nights that's a win. I didn't feel like we played that crappy. They threw everything on net.

 

[Inferno]

Couple of bad calls did not help...Zibs Interference call and Fox call late in 2nd...both marginal at best....Oh well...plus we hit some posts a few times....was not all bad but was a good portion of it.....that Leaf kid Engvall...impressive .

Stop using the ... Sentence structure.....that's my signature style!

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

So, I slammed Hank after his last game... now I’m slamming Georgie. Need to be better, kid. Left a LOT of open net.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

Patience Padawans.
"Yes, it is indeed painful when the blooming buds burst. But for what else would the spring hesitate to prosper? No pain, no gain..."

"Winter is coming". You know nothing David Quinn. It's hyperbole but it sure feels that way this morning.

Or perhaps some of the bard...

"Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of [New] York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house [MSG]
In the deep bosom of the ocean [East River or Hudson] buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures."

 

[pld459666]

Wow, a rebuilding team lost a game they looked bad in.

I'm shocked.

 

[Good Intentions]

Rooting hard for Georgiev to run with it...

Feels like he’s getting thrown the car keys. Need ore from him - asking for more than he may have.

Difficult troika in the rear view mirror, approaching fast.

 

[LieutenantLackluster]

I am probably singling him out but I legit hate Brady Skjei.