Prospect Info: 33rd overall Roby Jarventie LW FIN

[Phenomenon]

Here are the highlights from tonight:
Ottelukooste | Sport - Ilves 14.11.2020 | Liiga

Roby scoring in 0-3

 

[Ippenator]

This thread has been quiet of late. Sounds like he busted.

Liiga had a longer pause for the EHT-international tournament. So Järventie’s team wasn’t playing until yesterday.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Where does he stand now on the prospect rankings?

1st

 

[h2]

1st

He is our future

 

[swiftwin]

lol @ people still doubting Dorion.

 

[Hale The Villain]

lol @ people still doubting Dorion.

Don't think Dorion had much to do with identifying Jarventie as a potential steal.

Doubt he spent much time scouting a 2nd tier Finnish mens league team for a potential 2nd/3rd round pick.

Sens scouts, particularly the ones based overseas (Ruutu and Ostberg), are the ones who should get the credit.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Don't think Dorion had much to do with identifying Jarventie as a potential steal.

Doubt he spent much time scouting a 2nd tier Finnish mens league team for a potential 2nd/3rd round pick.

Sens scouts, particularly the ones based overseas (Ruutu and Ostberg), are the ones who should get the credit.

Yet he would get the full blame if a pick doesn’t work out..,

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Don't think Dorion had much to do with identifying Jarventie as a potential steal.

Doubt he spent much time scouting a 2nd tier Finnish mens league team for a potential 2nd/3rd round pick.

Sens scouts, particularly the ones based overseas (Ruutu and Ostberg), are the ones who should get the credit.

Well let’s see lol. I’m not buying into any 2020 picks a month after the draft

 

[TheDebater]

1st

....league-wide.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I think you can only judge a GMs drafting based off first round picks. As those are the ones the GM probably has the most amount of say, as well as personal scouting.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

....league-wide.

Yeah that’s what I meant.

 

[Micklebot]

I think you can only judge a GMs drafting based off first round picks. As those are the ones the GM probably has the most amount of say, as well as personal scouting.

To be fair, they likely had him ranked in the first.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Don't think Dorion had much to do with identifying Jarventie as a potential steal.

Doubt he spent much time scouting a 2nd tier Finnish mens league team for a potential 2nd/3rd round pick.

Sens scouts, particularly the ones based overseas (Ruutu and Ostberg), are the ones who should get the credit.

 

[TheDebater]

Yeah that’s what I meant.

You should be a scout.

 

[foggyvisor]

Liiga had a longer pause for the EHT-international tournament. So Järventie’s team wasn’t playing until yesterday.

Excuses are for losers.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

People who complain about "reaches" outside of the first round are ridiculous. Especially when a player was still taken within 20 spots of where they were ranked on McKenzie's rankings. People need to understand that as the draft progresses, the range in which a player can be taken grows with it. Taking a guy around the 30th spot when he was slotted around the 50th spot is not a reach, that's taking a projected 2nd rounder in the 2nd round.

 

[Icelevel]

lol @ people still doubting Dorion.

Lol @ people thinking dorion is responsible for all the good moves.

 

[ijuka]

It's not even a reach, Roby Järventie was in risk of getting drafted in that range, as he was rated around mid-second.

So far, his performance is quite similar to Kristian Vesalainen's and they seem to be quite comparable as players. Vesalainen's issue is that his hockey IQ is extremely low, Järventie shouldn't have such issues there, though I've not seen enough of him to have a good opinion.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think you can only judge a GMs drafting based off first round picks. As those are the ones the GM probably has the most amount of say, as well as personal scouting.

Well I feel like we clearly have. A mandate when drafting outside the first. I mean obviously with stutzle we went BPA. Sanderson more than likely the same and same with greig. At least BPA on our list. But those later rounds. We clearly do like over agers. Or guys that have close relationships with current players on the team. Or close proximity to the euro scouts. Where does that mandate come from? Is it dorion that wants those type drafted does he give scouts a criteria they absolutely must look for. Or is it Mann?

 

[TheDebater]

I think you can only judge a GMs drafting based off first round picks. As those are the ones the GM probably has the most amount of say, as well as personal scouting.

That is not really how it works. Most teams pick one time in the 1st round, so you are only getting one player.

A smart G.M is making a list of maybe 20-30 players that are "realistically" going to be available and then rank them based on preference.

That could mean that after having Stuetzle and Sanderson in their own top 3, their next pick being #28 that Greig and Jarventie were probably top 10 on that list, depending on which players get taken between 15-27.

 

[Xspyrit]

I thought the "a GM is responsible for all the bad moves but not necessarily all the good moves" mantra was settled a long time ago?

This is not how the reality works. A manager manages people, he has to listen to people working under him recommendations but in the end, good or bad, he's the one calling the shots.

Exemple, even if all of one team's scouts are super high on Mitchell Miller, in the end, if the GM doesn't want to draft him, that team is not going to draft him.

 

[Ippenator]

It's not even a reach, Roby Järventie was in risk of getting drafted in that range, as he was rated around mid-second.

So far, his performance is quite similar to Kristian Vesalainen's and they seem to be quite comparable as players. Vesalainen's issue is that his hockey IQ is extremely low, Järventie shouldn't have such issues there, though I've not seen enough of him to have a good opinion.

He’s really not at all a similar player with Vesalainen. Strange that you start comparing him to Vesalainen, when even you yourself admit that you haven’t seen Järventie play much. They are in fact very much different type of players. Vesalainen is a clear power forward type, with pretty average hockey IQ. Ok hands and a pretty good shot, but his strength is really his pretty strong physicality.

Järventie on the other hand is physically not at all dominating (although with the right kind of training he might one day be that), But he is exactly very much a cerebral, very high hockey IQ player with pretty darn good skills in general. Very different two forwards, although they both are wingers and pretty much the same height. But that’s where their similarities pretty much end. Well ok, both have pretty darn good shooting skills, but that’s really where the similarities end.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

He reminds me a bit of Heatley when he joined the Sens.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Well I feel like we clearly have. A mandate when drafting outside the first. I mean obviously with stutzle we went BPA. Sanderson more than likely the same and same with greig. At least BPA on our list. But those later rounds. We clearly do like over agers. Or guys that have close relationships with current players on the team. Or close proximity to the euro scouts. Where does that mandate come from? Is it dorion that wants those type drafted does he give scouts a criteria they absolutely must look for. Or is it Mann?

I think one of the biggest things they look for is a pro mentality.

It's also why I think they draft so many players who are related to NHLers/pros, they've absorbed what it takes to play professionally over their lifetimes. Makes it easier for the development/coaching staff.

It's not an awful draft philosophy but I think they go a little overboard.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think one of the biggest things they look for is a pro mentality.

It's also why I think they draft so many players who are related to NHLers/pros, they've absorbed what it takes to play professionally over their lifetimes. Makes it easier for the development/coaching staff.

It's not an awful draft philosophy but I think they go a little overboard.

I think cost comes into it. Lots are struggling to admit but limited funds for travel definitely influence decisions. Also. Goodwill. Taking guys that have been passed over. Sometimes twice. Definitely created goodwill.