GDT: #31 | Flyers at Wild | Saturday, December 12, 2024 | 2:00 PM Middle West Time | NBCSP

[flyersnorth]

I have to think Andrae is banged up, probably from that concussion-like hit.

I know Torts said he wasn’t playing well and giving Zamula a shot, and that’s fine. But against a team like the Wild, you go with Andrae 11 times out of 10.

 

[renberg]

I was just thinking the same. Remember when every regular season game was 30+ pages and had to get a separate post game thread to stay under the post limit? Games against the Pens were 10+ pages before the puck even dropped.

To face facts, the Philly fans are not stupid. They’re not going to be conned into believing that this is a good club when it isn’t. Going around the area and observing things shows that interest in the Flyers has slid to almost the pre Lindros era.
Michkov might save the organization going forward but the Flyers need more than that. There’s a sense of incompetence hanging over it. Ten years of muddling along makes an organization worthy of being ignored. Bringing in Tortorella’s dog and pony show hasn’t enhanced the Flyers image except in places where knuckle draggers exist.
The reality is that the Flyers have become merely a yawn between the two more dynamic sports franchises in the city; the Phillies and the Eagles. They’ve become a mediocre franchise in a niche sport. Big changes need to be made here by Comcast or the Flyers and the NHL are going to be relegated to permanent insignificance.

 

[mr4tno]

Elegible for an extension 7/1/2027

Seeler owes the Flyerss big time. He was ready to quit and fortunately there was still one caveman organ-i-zation left in the NHL. Seeler --"Me love Ian; me block shot". Flyers - "ok you're hired at double the term and double the AVV"

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Oh I guess I was supposed to use the after that last post. My bad everyone

 

[Beef Invictus]

I was just thinking the same. Remember when every regular season game was 30+ pages and had to get a separate post game thread to stay under the post limit? Games against the Pens were 10+ pages before the puck even dropped.

I've looked around the usual discussion spots the last few years and there is a ridiculous dip in fan engagement. They've hauled out a terrible product for a decade, proudly, while talking down at anyone who doesn't like it, and shitting all over players fans liked to watch.

They're really slaughtering their own future to pander to Clarke and his friends now. Hope they feel extra special now that the team does everything they want. Hopefully someone somewhere is getting something out of the experience.

 

[Beef Invictus]

To face facts, the Philly fans are not stupid. They’re not going to be conned into believing that this is a good club when it isn’t. Going around the area and observing things shows that interest in the Flyers has slid to almost the pre Lindros era.
Michkov might save the organization going forward but the Flyers need more than that. There’s a sense of incompetence hanging over it. Ten years of muddling along makes an organization worthy of being ignored. Bringing in Tortorella’s dog and pony show hasn’t enhanced the Flyers image except in places where knuckle draggers exist.
The reality is that the Flyers have become merely a yawn between the two more dynamic sports franchises in the city; the Phillies and the Eagles. They’ve become a mediocre franchise in a niche sport. Big changes need to be made here by Comcast or the Flyers and the NHL are going to be relegated to permanent insignificance.

They're barely making any effort to market him! It's all about the f***ing bottom roster guys. The message during games is "the skill guys suck" and then they hype up the most ineffective dudes on the ice.

Nobody has any reason to watch that and get excited.

 

[deadhead]

They're barely making any effort to market him! It's all about the f***ing bottom roster guys. The message during games is "the skill guys suck" and then they hype up the most ineffective dudes on the ice.

Nobody has any reason to watch that and get excited.

They don't try to market Michkov because they've been clear they don't want to put too much pressure on him.

Just look at Michkov v Kaprizov (27), the difference between a 19 year old and a player in his prime with similar skill packages.

Michkov is so good that when he hits his prime (probably at 22 or so) he'll draw oodles of attention.
Right now he's an adventure, will he do something special or totally screw up?

 

[Beef Invictus]

They don't try to market Michkov because they've been clear they don't want to put too much pressure on him.

Just look at Michkov v Kaprizov (27), the difference between a 19 year old and a player in his prime with similar skill packages.

Michkov is so good that when he hits his prime (probably at 22 or so) he'll draw oodles of attention.
Right now he's an adventure, will he do something special or totally screw up?

They don't want to market Michkov because they scorn skill. They want as little as they think they can get away with (enough to fill a line or two) and they probably wish they could swap all that out for grinders, too. You know they grind their teeth at TK failing on high risk high reward plays while going gaga for the 4th liners. They spent an entire segment gushing over Risto making the most routine defensive plays. Meanwhile, Sanheim is ignored and Andrae/Zamula get dumped on.

They didn't market Giroux or Couturier either. It has nothing to do with avoiding pressure and everything to do with their core values. The same values that wreck the roster.

You can act like we don't have many years of reference for this.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hell, the usage and portrayal of Sanheim and Ghost vs Hagg and Provorov tells you everything you need to know about what the team values and how management values influence message. We had that hot mic moment where JJ accidentally admitted it was all a front and they clearly have guidance on how to present the team and players.

They squash the fun and successful for the boring and failed, then try to tell us we should be excited. Fans who watch can sense the BS. And the total futility

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Beef, this is conspiracy theorist stuff.

The Flyers have no control over what the NBC Sports broadcast says about the team.

Just like with Maine, they’re separate entities and have absolutely no connection.

Shame on you, Bif.

 

[deadhead]

Briere doesn't appreciate skill? He was a grinder?

If they had a problem with this game, it was the lack of players going to the net.
Don't know if it was caution (not wanting to get caught up ice) or just a reluctance to do so against a physical team on the road.

Torts doesn't love grinders, he loves fast, aggressive forwards who attack on the forecheck, quick hitting transition plays and D-men who'll join the rush.
This team doesn't need figure skaters, it needs fast, aggressive forwards with the hands to convert scoring opportunities into goals.
Hathaway is Tort's dream forward IF he didn't have hands of stone.

"It's a breakaway, yeah, oh shit it's Hathaway . . ."

 

[renberg]

They don't want to market Michkov because they scorn skill. They want as little as they think they can get away with (enough to fill a line or two) and they probably wish they could swap all that out for grinders, too. You know they grind their teeth at TK failing on high risk high reward plays while going gaga for the 4th liners. They spent an entire segment gushing over Risto making the most routine defensive plays. Meanwhile, Sanheim is ignored and Andrae/Zamula get dumped on.

They didn't market Giroux or Couturier either. It has nothing to do with avoiding pressure and everything to do with their core values. The same values that wreck the roster.

You can act like we don't have many years of reference for this.

They've made it all about the logo rather than the players. That might be fine if the logo was capable of reinventing itself as circumstances required. Instead it is stuck in a fifty year old bubble. Sure the flying P counts but the players matter more. Fans show up to see MM magic not Tortorella, Briere or Jones. They know that if MM succeeds, the Flyers win. If not, what was the point of buying a ticket?
That the Flyers aren't pushing MM and whining about every hit that he takes that is borderline legal, in the way that the Penguins did with Crosby when he broke into the league, is gross negligence. The kid is the franchise. If he gets Nolan Patricked, the organization might as well fold. MM is truly a generational talent. If he is lost, it'll be decades before they'd ever get a chance at a player such as him.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Briere doesn't appreciate skill? He was a grinder?

If they had a problem with this game, it was the lack of players going to the net.
Don't know if it was caution (not wanting to get caught up ice) or just a reluctance to do so against a physical team on the road.

Torts doesn't love grinders, he loves fast, aggressive forwards who attack on the forecheck, quick hitting transition plays and D-men who'll join the rush.
This team doesn't need figure skaters, it needs fast, aggressive forwards with the hands to convert scoring opportunities into goals.
Hathaway is Tort's dream forward IF he didn't have hands of stone.

"It's a breakaway, yeah, oh shit it's Hathaway . . ."

Why do you constantly say that the type of player that Briere was means that is how he thinks when it comes to building a team and his preferences?

It’s almost worse than the time that you said that Briere and Timonen think the same way because they were teammates.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Briere doesn't appreciate skill? He was a grinder?

If they had a problem with this game, it was the lack of players going to the net.
Don't know if it was caution (not wanting to get caught up ice) or just a reluctance to do so against a physical team on the road.

Torts doesn't love grinders, he loves fast, aggressive forwards who attack on the forecheck, quick hitting transition plays and D-men who'll join the rush.
This team doesn't need figure skaters, it needs fast, aggressive forwards with the hands to convert scoring opportunities into goals.
Hathaway is Tort's dream forward IF he didn't have hands of stone.

"It's a breakaway, yeah, oh shit it's Hathaway . . ."

Briere doesn't appreciate skill, no. That's what his actions and his words say.

You weren't born yesterday. You are perfectly aware that who or what a player was, has no bearing on what kind of coach or GM they'll be.

When you have to engage in this level of reality reshaping, the thing you're defending doesn't stand on its own. You are in full blown denial of what this team is. Because that's what defense of them requires. Recognizing them as what they are and defending that isn't possible. So that's why you pretend they're something else.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They've made it all about the logo rather than the players. That might be fine if the logo was capable of reinventing itself as circumstances required. Instead it is stuck in a fifty year old bubble. Sure the flying P counts but the players matter more. Fans show up to see MM magic not Tortorella, Briere or Jones. They know that if MM succeeds, the Flyers win. If not, what was the point of buying a ticket?
That the Flyers aren't pushing MM and whining about every hit that he takes that is borderline legal, in the way that the Penguins did with Crosby when he broke into the league, is gross negligence. The kid is the franchise. If he gets Nolan Patricked, the organization might as well fold. MM is truly a generational talent. If he is lost, it'll be decades before they'd ever get a chance at a player such as him.

And in reality, it isn't about the logo either. That's just what they pretend in public. It's about the egos of a bunch of crustlords

 

[deadhead]

Why do you constantly say that the type of player that Briere was means that is how he thinks when it comes to building a team and his preferences?

It’s almost worse than the time that you said that Briere and Timonen think the same way because they were teammates.

Because the type of player you were colors your perspective of the game.
Think Holmgren.

Briere understands skill, but he also understands grit, ability to raise your game when it counts, etc.
Playing on a half dozen teams from bottom dwellers to Cup contenders also gives him a wider perspective of what motivates players.

There is zero evidence the current group values "grinders."
They certainly haven't modeled themselves on the Trotz Islanders.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Because the type of player you were colors your perspective of the game.
Think Holmgren.

Briere understands skill, but he also understands grit, ability to raise your game when it counts, etc.
Playing on a half dozen teams from bottom dwellers to Cup contenders also gives him a wider perspective of what motivates players.

There is zero evidence the current group values "grinders."
They certainly haven't modeled themselves on the Trotz Islanders.

That isn't remotely true. Hence why Briere has put emphasis on bottom-lineup players.

Hockey players, and Flyers alumni in particular, are elite at convincing themselves they were good by virtue of hard work, effort, and grinding. Not talent.

 

[bennysflyers16]

#sameasiteverwas...

its literaly groundhog day here every godam day of every year.

this Org. wont change cuz it doesnt want to change.. it wants the old school NHL to come back.. you know good ol honest hockey..

They are good at fooling the authentics tho. Just check twitter and online, they buy whatever they sell them. Look at the head authentic here, he bows to everything they do.

 

[deadhead]

That isn't remotely true. Hence why Briere has put emphasis on bottom-lineup players.

Hockey players, and Flyers alumni in particular, are elite at convincing themselves they were good by virtue of hard work, effort, and grinding. Not talent.

What emphasis?
You have what you have. It's not like they have top 6 players languishing in LHV.
If you didn't have Seeler, Zamula is your 3LHD, If you didn't have Hathaway, Richard or Lycksell.

Every team wants 12 top 6 forwards and 6 top 4 D-men.
The real choice is what skill set do you want in the mediocre players at the bottom of your roster.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They are good at fooling the authentics tho. Just check twitter and online, they buy whatever they sell them. Look at the head authentic here, he bows to everything they do.

The wild thing being that they don't need to cater to them. They'll eat up anything the team does. It's a pointless feedback loop

 

[Beef Invictus]

What emphasis?
You have what you have. It's not like they have top 6 players languishing in LHV.
If you didn't have Seeler, Zamula is your 3LHD, If you didn't have Hathaway, Richard or Lycksell.

Every team wants 12 top 6 forwards and 6 top 4 D-men.
The real choice is what skill set do you want in the mediocre players at the bottom of your roster.

What emphasis? You serious? Have you been in a coma?

 

[deadhead]

What emphasis? You serious? Have you been in a coma?

I live in the real world. Not EA hockey 2025 GM mode.

Briere got rid of Hayes, Provorov, Atkinson and TDA.
The only "skilled" player moved was Walker, for a 1st rd pick.
Gleason, who they got for Attard, is more skilled and a better playmaker (good for young forwards).

He obtained (2) 1st rd picks and (2) 2nd rd picks.
He's drafted Michkov, Barkey, Ciernak, Jett and Gill.

So what else was he supposed to do?

 

[Beef Invictus]

I live in the real world. Not EA hockey 2025 GM mode.

Briere got rid of Hayes, Provorov, Atkinson and TDA.
The only "skilled" player moved was Walker, for a 1st rd pick.
Gleason, who they got for Attard, is more skilled and a better playmaker (good for young forwards).

He obtained (2) 1st rd picks and (2) 2nd rd picks.
He's drafted Michkov, Barkey, Ciernak, Jett and Gill.

So what else was he supposed to do?

Move Seeler, Laughton, and keep the option for Hathaway. Not trade for EJ. You know, basic stuff.

Doesn't need to be NHL 25. That's not even unrealistic or ambitious.

 

[deadhead]

Move Seeler, Laughton, and keep the option for Hathaway. Not trade for EJ. You know, basic stuff.

Doesn't need to be NHL 25. That's not even unrealistic or ambitious.

Nothing burgers.

Laughton is the only one who'd have brought anything back, and his value is about the same (scoring more this year and a year off his contract).

The others, meh. I don't fret about picks after the top 100 anymore, especially as they load up with top 100 picks, you don't need more players like Murchison, Zanetti or MacPherson or Pautov. Are you worried they missed the chance to draft the next Mann?