GDT: #3 | Flyers at Oilers | Tuesday, October 15, 2024 | 10:00 PM Celsius Time | ESPN

[trostol]

I am now dumber for reading the last two pages. May God have mercy on my soul

now you see why i am generally not high enough for some of these takes

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

 

[freakydallas13]

It's not about talent, it's about having a "NHL body."

Hughes had talent but clearly was undersized and lacked strength. Didn't break out until he was 20.
Bedard is a little undersized but bigger than Hughes, and had a better rookie season.
Nico is full sized and a had a fine rookie season (also Jan B-day)

Luchanko has NHL size, top speed, the issue is going to be his offensive skill package, he hasn't been a liability defensively, has made some rookie mistakes, but better at 18 than Frost at 20 (Frost has made a lot of progress the last few years, both defensive awareness and adding strength, but he's now 25).

I think he'd probably be better off going back to the CHL, but I'd like to see how he looks the next seven games. If he shows significant progress as he acclimates to NHL play, it's not outrageous that they keep him up, if he flatlines or regresses, it's an easy decision to send him down. He'd easily be the 1C on LHV, but that's not an option.

Again, lacking talent but having an NHL body isn't desirable, that's Justin Bailey.

You should want more from your 13th OA pick than that.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Flyers management should have a vision for the next 4 seasons based on who they have in their system and the upcoming 2025 draft (3 first round picks & 3 second round picks) which is key to the future.

 

[deadhead]

I am now dumber for reading the last two pages. May God have mercy on my soul

 

[Beef Invictus]

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@Magua I'm confident this is the first thread in HF history to feature two separate Klaus Kinski references

 

[deadhead]

Again, lacking talent but having an NHL body isn't desirable, that's Justin Bailey.

You should want more from your 13th OA pick than that.

He's already better than Bailey, heck, he's probably better than Poehling or Laughton at this point.
It's more does he end up being Nico or Eriksonn Ek?
That is a two way center, with his offense deciding whether he ends up a 1C or 2C.
[remember, the median 1st line forward scores 48, 2nd line forward scores 33 ES points]

 

[freakydallas13]

He's already better than Bailey, heck, he's probably better than Poehling or Laughton at this point

1) No he isn't, and no one can even know if he is for another 40 games of play time or so. To say otherwise is nothing but unfiltered hopium.

2) Those aren't high bars to clear.

(I do appreciate you clarifying what you mean when you throw out 1C comparisons though and agree with your median point)

 

[trostol]

lol played 2 games and he is better already than people...i need to get high for this shit

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It's not about talent, it's about having a "NHL body."

Hughes had talent but clearly was undersized and lacked strength. Didn't break out until he was 20.
Bedard is a little undersized but bigger than Hughes, and had a better rookie season.
Nico is full sized and a had a fine rookie season (also Jan B-day)

Luchanko has NHL size, top speed, the issue is going to be his offensive skill package, he hasn't been a liability defensively, has made some rookie mistakes, but better at 18 than Frost at 20 (Frost has made a lot of progress the last few years, both defensive awareness and adding strength, but he's now 25).

I think he'd probably be better off going back to the CHL, but I'd like to see how he looks the next seven games. If he shows significant progress as he acclimates to NHL play, it's not outrageous that they keep him up, if he flatlines or regresses, it's an easy decision to send him down. He'd easily be the 1C on LHV, but that's not an option.

Nononono. Set aside the ridiculous talent gap and join me on a trip down memory lane.

You've said that you're specifically concerned with Luchanko's Shot holding him back. The entire reason some people who only went surface deep thought Hughes had a bust of a rookie year and thus was "rushed" was that he was arguably the worst Shooting Forward in the entire league. He was a 99th Percentile transition player from Day 1. He generated high quality chances no one else was finishing either. The entire problem was the puck not going in the net.

You could not have picked a worse example given your stated question about '24-25 Luchanko.

 

[deadhead]

Nononono. Set aside the ridiculous talent gap and join me on a trip down memory lane.

You've said that you're specifically concerned with Luchanko's Shot holding him back. The entire reason some people who only went surface deep thought Hughes had a bust of a rookie year and thus was "rushed" was that he was arguably the worst Shooting Forward in the entire league. He was a 99th Percentile transition player from Day 1. He generated high quality chances no one else was finishing either. The entire problem was the puck not going in the net.

You could not have picked a worse example given your stated question about '24-25 Luchanko.

Hughes took 2 years but seemed to find a shot in the NHL. Part of shooting is upper body strength, and some of that comes with physical maturity. See Michkov.

I'd prefer Luchanko in the AHL (like many top foreign players have done at 18), but I don't think Luchanko will die in the NHL if he shows he can handle the pace (next 7 games will tell).

He'd get a lot more shooting opportunities in the CHL, but how good is the staff at Guelph (London for example has a reputation for excellent coaching)?

Cory Stillman, HC 1025 games at forward.

Cory Stillman named Head Coach of the Guelph Storm - Guelph Storm

Guelph Storm General Manager George Burnett announced today that Cory Stillman has been named Head Coach of the hockey club, becoming the 18th head coach in franchise history.

chl.ca

Guelph Storm add Rob Davison as Associate Coach - Guelph Storm

Guelph Storm General Manager George Burnett announced today that Rob Davison has been named Associate Coach of the hockey club for the upcoming season.

chl.ca

Storm add OHL Graduate Scott Simmonds to coaching staff - Guelph Storm

Guelph Storm General Manager George Burnett announced today that Scott Simmonds has been hired as an Assistant Coach.

chl.ca

[@appleyard, you might have seen him play!]

Corey Locke to assist Storm Coaching Staff - Guelph Storm

(Guelph) General Manager and Head Coach George Burnett is pleased to announce that Corey Locke will join the team to support the Storm coaching staff as the new coaching assistant.

chl.ca

 

[Cody Webster]

now you see why i am generally not high enough for some of these takes

Good thing I was or it could have been worse

Hughes took 2 years but seemed to find a shot in the NHL. Part of shooting is upper body strength, and some of that comes with physical maturity. See Michkov.

I'd prefer Luchanko in the AHL (like many top foreign players have done at 18), but I don't think Luchanko will die in the NHL if he shows he can handle the pace (next 7 games will tell).

He'd get a lot more shooting opportunities in the CHL, but how good is the staff at Guelph (London for example has a reputation for excellent coaching)?

Cory Stillman, HC 1025 games at forward.

Cory Stillman named Head Coach of the Guelph Storm - Guelph Storm

Guelph Storm General Manager George Burnett announced today that Cory Stillman has been named Head Coach of the hockey club, becoming the 18th head coach in franchise history.

chl.ca

Guelph Storm add Rob Davison as Associate Coach - Guelph Storm

Guelph Storm General Manager George Burnett announced today that Rob Davison has been named Associate Coach of the hockey club for the upcoming season.

chl.ca

Storm add OHL Graduate Scott Simmonds to coaching staff - Guelph Storm

Guelph Storm General Manager George Burnett announced today that Scott Simmonds has been hired as an Assistant Coach.

chl.ca

[@appleyard, you might have seen him play!]

Corey Locke to assist Storm Coaching Staff - Guelph Storm

(Guelph) General Manager and Head Coach George Burnett is pleased to announce that Corey Locke will join the team to support the Storm coaching staff as the new coaching assistant.

chl.ca

The staff at Guelph is probably better than the staff in Lehigh

 

[Tripod]

Funny how it's Nico or JEE. No possibility he could he worse than 2 guys posting 60+points in multiple seasons?

But as a reminder...it took JEE 5 years before he had more than 30 pts in a season.

The idea that Jett is too good for the CHL is just asinine.

 

[Curufinwe]

Pfft, Jett is not Berkly Catton or Tij Iginla. Thank god we didn't get one of those weak little boys.

 

[Boocowski]

Benson was 38 pts OVER a PPG in Jr his draft year.

Jett was 6 Pts over a PPG.

Not close to being the same....at all. Send him back to Jr to work on his offense and have a season like Benson did his draft year. It will 100% be better for him....and the Flyers long term.

Depends how he plays. Junior stats don't matter. All that matters is how he plays. If he's not looking up to it by all means send him down at that magic 9 game mark or however many it is. But if he earns it he earns it. It's up to him.

Poitras went back for his D+1. You’re talking about his D+2.

The entire recent list of even arguably similar handlings for similar levels of prospect is Benson. That’s it. And there is no argument that they were equivalent players heading into their draft. The guys that go straight to the NHL aren’t mid 1sts.

Just guys who aren't AHL eligible. What they did in junior doesn't matter.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

He can be sent down anytime. The 9 game threshold (his games played, not team games) is where his ELC kicks in. So if you send him down after game 10, you lose a year of cheap labor for basically nothing.

At least that's how it works as far as I know. I'm not sure if you can call him back up after you sent him back down.

so you can send him down after say 30 games and the OHL team has to deal with a midseason shakeup of their lineup? I thought the 9 games rule was to protect the junior teams from season planing and the player also? But maybe i was misinformed ;D

 

[Tripod]

What a new era