Post-Game Talk: #26 - 03/13/2021 | Rangers @ Bruins | 1:00 PM EST - NHLN, MSG+

[FireGerardGallant]

Lafreniere and Kakko dominate the advanced stats again. Gawd, when is their puck luck gonna turn?

Maybe together they can do it

 

[Ola]

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Won't be easy with Fox on the first unit . He is slow dishing off and the lack of shooting by him . He may be better suited on 2nd unit . Outside of him though I don't know who can handle it . It's not a knock against him...I still consider him a rookie and it's unfair to compare him to Tony n that area....Tony was one of the best in the NHL outside of a small window this season .

I mean, if Panarin is running the PP on the left side, why have a RHS on D on the PP? Its just as bad as having a LHS when the PP is ran on the right side by a LHS. Call up Reunanen!

Or why not run a 5 forward PP and play like Buch on the point or Laf or Kakko.

 

[leetch99]

How much of a difference did Kinkaid do against the Pens on Tuesday. Exactly.

Kinkaid does shit. Sure, he's not sucking unlike Georgiev, but if you can argue a player making a difference it was Panarin.

He just needed 3 weeks rest.

 

[duhmetreE]

Lafreniere and Kakko dominate the advanced stats again. Gawd, when is their puck luck gonna turn?

Lafreniere finds himself in a lot more 'high scoring' chances compared to Kakko imo.

Kakko has been mainly perimeter on offense. Playing outside the dots. I'd love to see him dart/cut in sometimes

At this point I do not understand how our #1 and #2 pick do not get chances on PP1. No unit is working. How about we try something different?

 

[leetch99]

It's good that they're driving play but I can also see why they're not scoring. They get into the zone effectively but they're not very creative. I don't think Quinn knows how to teach NHL offense to guys who have never done it. Guys just kind of do what they do. That's good for guys like Panarin but I think we need somebody to bring in a plan with the puck the way Martin has established a plan without the puck.

Creativity definitely is a problem and has been for them long before this season . Lack of talented C's likely the cause of that and cement hands on the wings but that should get better with Laf/KK and Kravs hopefully...and Panarin of course when he is with the club.

 

[leetch99]

I mean, if Panarin is running the PP on the left side, why have a RHS on D on the PP? Its just as bad as having a LHS when the PP is ran on the right side by a LHS. Call up Reunanen!

Or why not run a 5 forward PP and play like Buch on the point or Laf or Kakko.

I was also wondering about the 5 forward PP ....is that something that any teams use on a regular basis with any kind of success ?

 

[Tawnos]

It's good that they're driving play but I can also see why they're not scoring. They get into the zone effectively but they're not very creative. I don't think Quinn knows how to teach NHL offense to guys who have never done it. Guys just kind of do what they do. That's good for guys like Panarin but I think we need somebody to bring in a plan with the puck the way Martin has established a plan without the puck.

According to some around here, not you, the problem is that Quinn doesn't let guys "do what they do." And I firmly disagree that we don't have a plan with the puck. The intended offensive zone plan is pretty damn clear when the guys are executing it.

I think the kids are creative, but I don't think either has fully figured out where to be and where to go in a way that's instinctual. I don't mean natural instinct, I mean trained instinct. If you're not going to the right place with the puck (either carrying or passing) and you're not going to the right place without the puck, then the amount of creativity you'll ever be able to show is pretty low. I'm really not sure what a different structure would do to bring that out of them. The only thing that can do it is experience.

There was a moment in the game today where Lafrenière popped the puck into the corner from the half wall, Chytil corralled it, but there were two Bruins there. Lafrenière paused, and then all of the sudden was like "oh! Maybe I should go help out!" By the time he got there, it was too late and the puck was going the other way. Chytil did a lot of the same thing 2 years ago. He did less of the same thing last year. He rarely does that anymore this year, because following up on the play like that has become instinctual. Kakko did a lot of the same thing last year and is doing less of it this year. He still takes too long to shoot the puck sometimes, for example, but he's still shooting it more quickly and with more on it than he was last year.

90% of the problems I see with these guys is timing related. Again, I'm not sure there's anything that can improve that besides experience.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Lafreniere and Kakko dominate the advanced stats again. Gawd, when is their puck luck gonna turn?

When their advanced stats aren't good?

 

[2014nyr]

Holy crap, the Bruins get away with a lot of holding and picking. And they’re particularly good at drawing fake penalties. Do the refs get reviewed? I’d love them to have a look at Marchand jumping into Lindgren’s arm and feel shame.

this. it was absurd today. its pretty hard to forecheck when they can bump off every forechecker at will. just constant obstruction and behind the play bs. they finally called bergeron in the 3rd but that was about the 85th time that happened. there was a play where buch had stopped in front of the net when they had it behind to breakout and as they made the pass up ice a guy skated across and took his feet out which kept him behind the play. kuraly with the slew foot on dg with the play having moved. the slash of keys stick the ref staring right at it wasn't going to call until it resulted in marchand all alone in front. just constant and they almost never get called. the penalty fox took on pastrnak which was....on the ticky tack side at best, happened because a pick got him the puck back and in a good spot which was ok but fox's stick makes contact with his glove and the refs are all over it. if you're observant enough to catch that extremely marginal hook, how do you not see what let to pastrnak skating across the slot with the puck? now it doesn't matter all that much in our case given how useless our pp is in terms of calling them, but it is really annoying seeing two sets of rules applied, and ultimately it does create a number of chances for them when away from the play theyre always doing little flyby stuff away from the play to hold you up or just literally getting away with basically crackback blocks.


re the refs they do have video and will watch during intermissions. i dont know how much or if always. but i know at least shane doan and some other nhl'ers on spittin chiclets have referenced convos with refs during the next period after a disagreement intimating they would sometimes admit they messed up or would confirm their call. the marchand play though idno how he gets that call, but if they haven't figured him out at this point i don't think theres much hope they ever will

 

[Peltz]

According to some around here, not you, the problem is that Quinn doesn't let guys "do what they do." And I firmly disagree that we don't have a plan with the puck. The intended offensive zone plan is pretty damn clear when the guys are executing it.

I think the kids are creative, but I don't think either has fully figured out where to be and where to go in a way that's instinctual. I don't mean natural instinct, I mean trained instinct. If you're not going to the right place with the puck (either carrying or passing) and you're not going to the right place without the puck, then the amount of creativity you'll ever be able to show is pretty low. I'm really not sure what a different structure would do to bring that out of them. The only thing that can do it is experience.

There was a moment in the game today where Lafrenière popped the puck into the corner from the half wall, Chytil corralled it, but there were two Bruins there. Lafrenière paused, and then all of the sudden was like "oh! Maybe I should go help out!" By the time he got there, it was too late and the puck was going the other way. Chytil did a lot of the same thing 2 years ago. He did less of the same thing last year. He rarely does that anymore this year, because following up on the play like that has become instinctual. Kakko did a lot of the same thing last year and is doing less of it this year. He still takes too long to shoot the puck sometimes, for example, but he's still shooting it more quickly and with more on it than he was last year.

90% of the problems I see with these guys is timing related. Again, I'm not sure there's anything that can improve that besides experience.

I’m seeing a lot of the same thing.

 

[Machinehead]

According to some around here, not you, the problem is that Quinn doesn't let guys "do what they do." And I firmly disagree that we don't have a plan with the puck. The intended offensive zone plan is pretty damn clear when the guys are executing it.

I think the kids are creative, but I don't think either has fully figured out where to be and where to go in a way that's instinctual. I don't mean natural instinct, I mean trained instinct. If you're not going to the right place with the puck (either carrying or passing) and you're not going to the right place without the puck, then the amount of creativity you'll ever be able to show is pretty low. I'm really not sure what a different structure would do to bring that out of them. The only thing that can do it is experience.

There was a moment in the game today where Lafrenière popped the puck into the corner from the half wall, Chytil corralled it, but there were two Bruins there. Lafrenière paused, and then all of the sudden was like "oh! Maybe I should go help out!" By the time he got there, it was too late and the puck was going the other way. Chytil did a lot of the same thing 2 years ago. He did less of the same thing last year. He rarely does that anymore this year, because following up on the play like that has become instinctual. Kakko did a lot of the same thing last year and is doing less of it this year. He still takes too long to shoot the puck sometimes, for example, but he's still shooting it more quickly and with more on it than he was last year.

90% of the problems I see with these guys is timing related. Again, I'm not sure there's anything that can improve that besides experience.

I don't know if I can subscribe to the whole "it is what it is, they just need experience" thing. I don't see development of top picks take this long anywhere but here.

 

[Off Sides]

It's good that they're driving play but I can also see why they're not scoring. They get into the zone effectively but they're not very creative. I don't think Quinn knows how to teach NHL offense to guys who have never done it. Guys just kind of do what they do. That's good for guys like Panarin but I think we need somebody to bring in a plan with the puck the way Martin has established a plan without the puck.

I think the plan needs to be timing, I know that sounds dumb, yet if someone is going to shoot, others need to be at the net for screens, rebounds, deflections, yet without the timing that does not happen correctly. Another part to timing as we saw, gaining the zone. Player with the puck coming up ice needs options, carry it in, pass it to someone else who has momentum, or dump it in where someone else has momentum to get to it first or at least with speed.

Gomez comes up the ice, can gain the zone like silk, if no one else is there he just takes that weak shot, if some else reads that and is open it's a different story. Even better story, if someone else besides those two read it and that guy goes net front while the shot arrives...

 

[Sayba]

Won't be easy with Fox on the first unit . He is slow dishing off and the lack of shooting by him . He may be better suited on 2nd unit . Outside of him though I don't know who can handle it . It's not a knock against him...I still consider him a rookie and it's unfair to compare him to Tony n that area....Tony was one of the best in the NHL outside of a small window this season .

I miss watching ADA play, wish it didn't work the way it did but it's not going to change. I like Fox, but he isn't the skater ADA is and the now we only have 1 guy who can create offense. Miller and Trouba played a good game today, hoping Miller can further develop his offense.

Trouba will continue to burden the team with his salary, not expecting any offense from him.

 

[egelband]

this. it was absurd today. its pretty hard to forecheck when they can bump off every forechecker at will. just constant obstruction and behind the play bs. they finally called bergeron in the 3rd but that was about the 85th time that happened. there was a play where buch had stopped in front of the net when they had it behind to breakout and as they made the pass up ice a guy skated across and took his feet out which kept him behind the play. kuraly with the slew foot on dg with the play having moved. the slash of keys stick the ref staring right at it wasn't going to call until it resulted in marchand all alone in front. just constant and they almost never get called. the penalty fox took on pastrnak which was....on the ticky tack side at best, happened because a pick got him the puck back and in a good spot which was ok but fox's stick makes contact with his glove and the refs are all over it. if you're observant enough to catch that extremely marginal hook, how do you not see what let to pastrnak skating across the slot with the puck? now it doesn't matter all that much in our case given how useless our pp is in terms of calling them, but it is really annoying seeing two sets of rules applied, and ultimately it does create a number of chances for them when away from the play theyre always doing little flyby stuff away from the play to hold you up or just literally getting away with basically crackback blocks.


re the refs they do have video and will watch during intermissions. i dont know how much or if always. but i know at least shane doan and some other nhl'ers on spittin chiclets have referenced convos with refs during the next period after a disagreement intimating they would sometimes admit they messed up or would confirm their call. the marchand play though idno how he gets that call, but if they haven't figured him out at this point i don't think theres much hope they ever will

Yep. 18 consequential but not violent to penalties committed by the Bs. They finally call one. Then “even it up” with a ticky-tack call on the Blueshirts. I keep saying it, I wish we could do the same. I don’t find what the Bruins do to be offensive or even very dangerous. They just play smarter than the refs.
And watching it happen to *us* is highly upsetting.

 

[Tawnos]

I don't know if I can subscribe to the whole "it is what it is, they just need experience" thing. I don't see development of top picks take this long anywhere but here.

At this point in his rookie season, with the benefit of a full training camp and normal schedule, Rick Nash had 13 points. Steven Stamkos had 11 points. Taylor Hall had 15 points. Nail Yakupov had 13 points. Nathan MacKinnon had 13 points. Jack Hughes had 12 points. With the exception of Hughes, every one of those first overall picks finished the season with a higher pts/gm than they had at the 26 game mark of the season.

Looked at another way, Lafrenière is at 1.13 p/60 at 5v5. Nash (1.56), Stamkos (1.01), Tavares (1.27), Hall (1.45), Yakupov (1.25), and Hughes (1.35) all had similarly mediocre starts in their first 26 games. Every single one of them improved, again except Hughes.

With the exception of Yakupov (bust) and Hughes (too soon) every one of those guys put together careers worthy of their 1OA slot.

And I don't think it can be overstated just how much the schedule this year has impacted Lafrenière and I don't think the Rangers are an outlier here.

 

[egelband]

So , Georgiev starts next game, right?

Not funny.

 

[egelband]

If I had seen better production out of Kakko and Lafreniere I’d be quite satisfied with this season despite the record. Winning on the backs of Zibanejad and Kreider doesn’t entirely do it for me though.

Quinn’s #1 job is to turn those two kids into Super stars. Nothing else really matters.

It’s still early. And both are looking good. If not dominant, they’re effectual. Especially Kakko.

 

[egelband]

One thing about Smitty...he always tries ...lots of extra effort. He does not always win his battles for the puck....but he certainly does give his all .

I’ve said the same before. I have zero complaints about his game. I’m very happy with him on the third pair. I am also liking Hajek. He isn’t what I had him pegged as. He’s more of a defensive defenseman and I think he’s fine. I bet he scraps soon, too. He has a little edge and feistiness.

 

[egelband]

Lafreniere and Kakko dominate the advanced stats again. Gawd, when is their puck luck gonna turn?

I feel like Quinn is giving them favorable matchups and they’re growing up. But as you say, puck luck has sucked. Chytil has been nice too. That line may start laying waste to opponent’s third lines soon.

 

[egelband]

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If he's waiver exempt, might not hurt to let him work on his game in Hartford, just until he gets on a hot streak again.

I think you’re talking about Georgiev. Assuming so, I agree. Good idea for sure. He needs to clear his head.
That said, the AHL is often rough for a net minder.
But I totally agree.

 

[egelband]

I don’t want to seem bipolar here but i do believe we can win the Stanley Cup this year. We might be the favorties

I think probably we’re favorites but I don’t think we’re better than the ‘85 Oilers.

Luckily we don’t have to face the ‘85 Oilers so I guess it’s fair to say we’ve got smooth sailing the rest of the decade.

 

[egelband]

Any bread brand for that matter....hes the breadman!

“I am Artyemi. I love Stella D’Oro since childhood with chocolate-middle biscuits”.

 

[egelband]

Ranger forever "good to be back home"- Callahan

So is Cally a regular now? If so, cool!

 

[romba]

Let’s be real he probably gets a shutout in this game too. Boston’s best chance was Fox almost kicking it into his own goal lol

Edit: I do agree though. Kinkaid has earned his spot.

Georgiev would find a way to let a stinker in in the first period and change the game completely from that point. We need stability in goal and we got that today

 

[Kreider Typical]

Miller / Blockaid / Hajek

Hajek stood out. Not the best player on the ice but he was noticably confident.

HM: mika, trouba, buch, panarin, strome, kreids, lindgren, rooney, chytil