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SEALBound said:
Yeah, probably. Makes me appreciate the deal he took even more. But he'll be 27 this year, 28 next year and a UFA. He should be able to cash in one more time.
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For sure. If he can be a 30 point player for the next two seasons he can get a nice chunk of change. I'm surprised his agent wasn't able to get him 3 years @ 2.5 million out of Dubas though.
 
Le Magnifique 66 said:
31 years old, bottom 6 player, closer to a 4th liner to be honest and is rewarded with a 6 year deal!!! Wow unbelievable. Call me crazy, but as a GM, this is why I have professional scouts working for me and if I can't find this type of player internally, I'm sure to have 5-6 targets come July 1st that shouldn't cost more than 1 miliion per year!!
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Oof

In 79 games combined with Minnesota and Nashville, the ninth-year player scored eight goals and totaled 17 points.
 
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wej20 said:
For sure. If he can be a 30 point player for the next two seasons he can get a nice chunk of change. I'm surprised his agent wasn't able to get him 3 years @ 2.5 million out of Dubas though.
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Premium TDL depth asset as well. If McCarron can get a 2nd, Dewar should be able to as well.
 
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I don't put a TON into +/- but dude has only been on the right end of that equation three times his entire career. AND he can't score in a brothel. I don't get these kinds of contracts at all.

On top of everything else he spent most of his career in Nashville which in my experience only produces vanilla, non-impact, re-defining-mediocrity type players. At best.
 
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BlindWillyMcHurt said:
I don't put a TON into +/- but dude has only been on the right end of that equation three times his entire career. AND he can't score in a brothel. I don't get these kinds of contracts at all.

On top of everything else he spent most of his career in Nashville which in my experience only produces vanilla, non-impact, re-defining-mediocrity type players. At best.
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He's big, can fight and is good on the dot but yeah his scoring is super underwhelming even by 4th liner standards. The Wild are gunning to win in the next two years so the extra years and NMC is a problem for future Billy G.
 
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I just can't wrap my head around why NHL GMs want to hand out these kind of contracts. Yes, I know someone else would have given McCarron this contract had Guerin not given it to him. But why are you prioritizing a guy like McCarron as a guy to give 6 years and a NMC to? You can get effective 4th liners for far less than this. You're far better off just not signing McCarron and looking elsewhere than signing McCarron to this kind of contract.

This logic can also be applied to Tanev's deal that JR signed him to, Tanev was a better player but it didn't make sense to sign him to that deal. Tanev's deal was also one of the rare ones that actually ended up paying off, he had injury issues during the deal but he was ab effective NHLer in all 6 years of the contract.
 
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CheckingLineCenter said:
Because either it works or they won’t be around to feel the consequences
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But Guerin is in a situation where you'd think he has extreme job security and whether McCarron gets signed or not likely won't have an impact on that.

It's just such a low upside move that I don't see the point in doing it.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
But Guerin is in a situation where you'd think he has extreme job security and whether McCarron gets signed or not likely won't have an impact on that.

It's just such a low upside move that I don't see the point in doing it.
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Bc he wants to win and he thinks, rightly or wrongly, it will help them win.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I just can't wrap my head around why NHL GMs want to hand out these kind of contracts. Yes, I know someone else would have given McCarron this contract had Guerin not given it to him. But why are you prioritizing a guy like McCarron as a guy to give 6 years and a NMC to? You can get effective 4th liners for far less than this. You're far better off just not signing McCarron and looking elsewhere than signing McCarron to this kind of contract.

This logic can also be applied to Tanev's deal that JR signed him to, Tanev was a better player but it didn't make sense to sign him to that deal. Tanev's deal was also one of the rare ones that actually ended up paying off, he had injury issues during the deal but he was ab effective NHLer in all 6 years of the contract.
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They already have Foligno and Trenin, you think they'd put their money into prioritising some scoring depth with Marcus Johansson not coming back along with Tarasenko and Zucarello both being UFAs and old.
 
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EXTRAS said:
Do you guys expected wotherspoon to be able to repeat last seasons stats?
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30 points, largely by osmosis from supporting Karlsson? Entirely possible, but that's not his value. The question is whether he can continue to enable Karlsson to play his game. If Karlsson stops clicking then Wotherspoon is no longer a priceless asset.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
But Guerin is in a situation where you'd think he has extreme job security and whether McCarron gets signed or not likely won't have an impact on that.

It's just such a low upside move that I don't see the point in doing it.
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I would guess Guerin has preapproval from ownership in understanding the economics of this contract being a high likelihood of buyout/LTIRetirement. About as much of a guarantee as it gets that McCarron will not be an NHL caliber player for at least the last two years of that contract.
 
Le Magnifique 66 said:
31 years old, bottom 6 player, closer to a 4th liner to be honest and is rewarded with a 6 year deal!!! Wow unbelievable. Call me crazy, but as a GM, this is why I have professional scouts working for me and if I can't find this type of player internally, I'm sure to have 5-6 targets come July 1st that shouldn't cost more than 1 miliion per year!!
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"But have you seen him with his shirt off?"

- Bill Guerin
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I just can't wrap my head around why NHL GMs want to hand out these kind of contracts. Yes, I know someone else would have given McCarron this contract had Guerin not given it to him. But why are you prioritizing a guy like McCarron as a guy to give 6 years and a NMC to? You can get effective 4th liners for far less than this. You're far better off just not signing McCarron and looking elsewhere than signing McCarron to this kind of contract.

This logic can also be applied to Tanev's deal that JR signed him to, Tanev was a better player but it didn't make sense to sign him to that deal. Tanev's deal was also one of the rare ones that actually ended up paying off, he had injury issues during the deal but he was ab effective NHLer in all 6 years of the contract.
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Gallagher is another player that comes to mind for the Habs, Bergevin was almost crying at the time of how happy he was to extend him for 6 years.. He pretty much was downhill since and now they're stuck moving him and most probably an asset along with him. Gm's just fall in love with certain players and they really shouldn't.
 
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GMs love these big thumpers and are stupid…that’s not Dewar…I can see why McCarron was way overpaid lol
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I just can't wrap my head around why NHL GMs want to hand out these kind of contracts. Yes, I know someone else would have given McCarron this contract had Guerin not given it to him. But why are you prioritizing a guy like McCarron as a guy to give 6 years and a NMC to? You can get effective 4th liners for far less than this. You're far better off just not signing McCarron and looking elsewhere than signing McCarron to this kind of contract.

This logic can also be applied to Tanev's deal that JR signed him to, Tanev was a better player but it didn't make sense to sign him to that deal. Tanev's deal was also one of the rare ones that actually ended up paying off, he had injury issues during the deal but he was ab effective NHLer in all 6 years of the contract.
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Any GM worth half a brain should develop "immutable rules of roster construction" and not deviate from that.
One of the first rules should be: you don't give 4th liners significant term, money or NMCs.
 
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Andy99 said:
Exactly…the reason McCarron got that money and term is because he’s big and hits…it’s stupid lol
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I did like his game in the playoffs so I can see why they wanted to retain him. But for the most part, I agree. Reminds of a bit of Zohorna. If BigZ was 6'0 190lbs, he wouldn't have got a single NHL game.
 
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