24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[Euro Twins]

It's fun to sit and type messages calling him a child but if your were in his situation and everyone hated your guts at work and wanted you gone it would get to you at some point

I dont blame him if that's the case... I'd be ok cause i pretty much hate everyone. I think its naive to think a guy who had back to back 100 and 90 pt seasons is suddenly a bust

Like Scott Gomez? Don't forget we almost traded Datsyuk for him.

It happens. Guys have a couple peak seasons and then fall off a cliff

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

It's fun to sit and type messages calling him a child but if your were in his situation and everyone hated your guts at work and wanted you gone it would get to you at some point

I dont blame him if that's the case... I'd be ok cause i pretty much hate everyone. I think its naive to think a guy who had back to back 100 and 90 pt seasons is suddenly a bust

It has never been reported that everyone hates his guts. In fact, management entrusted the leadership group to get on him, if they feel Pettersson's game or committment is wanting. That happened. Miller got on him. Hughes maybe, but surely in a more subtle and less public manner. Nobody ever reported that Pettersson is hated in the room or that the entire team mauls him on a regular basis like a pack of hungry hyenas.

And I cannot understand your sentiment that pouting is ok. Pettersson's play is first and foremost responsible for the criticism. Don't pout, play better! His lackluster play has bee going on for way too long. And when you are making that kinda money and do not deliver, then you oughta be scrutinized! I do not get why there are apologists for pouty athletes. Anyone of us does that in our job, we are gonzo. Good riddance! Making excuses for this kid does not help, but cripple him. By critiquing him they are trying to help him cuz they care. The day they stop, they have given up on him.

 

[lilidk]

Was it some kind of drama involving Pettersson and Miller. Yzerman never takes those kind of guys .

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

It has never been reported that everyone hates his guts. In fact, management entrusted the leadership group to get on him, if they feel Pettersson's game or committment is wanting. That happened. Miller got on him. Hughes maybe, but surely in a more subtle and less public manner. Nobody ever reported that Pettersson is hated in the room or that the entire team mauls him on a regular basis like a pack of hungry hyenas.

And I cannot understand your sentiment that pouting is ok. Pettersson's play is first and foremost responsible for the criticism. Don't pout, play better! His lackluster play has bee going on for way too long. And when you are making that kinda money and do not deliver, then you oughta be scrutinized! I do not get why there are apologists for pouty athletes. Anyone of us does that in our job, we are gonzo. Good riddance! Making excuses for this kid does not help, but cripple him. By critiquing him they are trying to help him cuz they care. The day they stop, they have given up on him.

Its reported players on the team arent happy and that they think the team traded the wrong guy. Doesnt sound like they like the guy if you ask me

I'm saying I can understand him being affected when you show up every day and its known some teammates dont want you around (wasn't reported if it's half the roster etc... who knows but I'd say it's more than a few)

It's cool you can hate the guy for complaining,pouting etc... all you want, if hes playing that way cause hes trying to force a trade out Its his right i mean teams trade players without a second thought

Fedorov signed a contract offer from carolina and some ridiculous fans havent gotten over it. The players gotta do what he wants for himself

Maybeeeee hes suddenly finished and sucks at hockey. I dont think a guy who just went off for 100 and 90 pt seasons suddenly sucks. I think on our team with all the fellow swedes hed be happy and thrive. Maybe you dont . Cool

I sure as sh*t wouldnt complain to see a top 6 next season of

Kasper petterson raymond
Debrincat larkin kane

I'd say that would easily be one of the best top 6 in the league ... but that's just my opinion , wtf do I know

 

[Ulysses31]

cerebra

After seeing Pettersson in 4Nations, stay away from him....
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wonder what happened. Guy was a wizard early in his career channeling pucks into the net.

 

[lhsgolf19]

 

[norrisnick]

Time to play the game of your lives, Tuo n Wally!

 

[TheOctopusKid]

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

I wonder what on earth most of those teams would be looking at. Danielson? Maybe Wallinder?

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

I wonder what on earth most of those teams would be looking at. Danielson? Maybe Wallinder?

Danielson, Mazur, Wallinder. All could be tradebait at the deadline in a package for some NHL upgrades.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Danielson, Mazur, Wallinder. All could be tradebait at the deadline in a package for some NHL upgrades.

One of those is not like the other.

 

[Oddbob]

Even ignoring independent probability, this is a really bad idea. We desperately need centers. Let me type this really slow so that you can say it with me: C-E-N-T-E-R-S. Kasper playing OK does not change that fact. We absolutely need a center in return if we trade Danielson. A 1st or high 2nd line forward isn't enough. Why posters can't distinguish between centers and wingers on this board is beyond me. That player we receive needs to be a bona fide center. Not some fool like Cozens who needs to actually play on the wing to be effective. You win in this league from the blueline out and up the middle. If anyone is likely to bust out of ASP, Cossa or Danielson, it is Cossa or ASP.

Lastly, as always, just watch the prospects. In this day and age it isn't that hard.

Seeing as I said 1st or 2nd line forward, why can that not possibly be a center? Is center not one of the 3 positions for forwards? Where did I say it had to be winger? Not sure why you needed capital letters and "slow" typing when I said nothing to suggest, "I don't get it!" Where did I say anything about not distinguishing centers and wingers? Maybe you need to chill out or something!

No one wanted to pay a first for Fowler.

Not true, someone made that very suggestion.

 

[Snuggs]

Danielson, Mazur, Wallinder. All could be tradebait at the deadline in a package for some NHL upgrades.

Yeah; there's quite a bit to look at in GR right now. Lombardi came back too I believe.

There's about a solid 6/7 guys teams could be looking at. The teams mentioned are even pretty interesting outside the normal. Half are in playoff contention.

idk, maybe a third team is getting involved with this Pettersson situation an we'll get him on a discount tire type deal.

 

[Nut Upstrom]

Seeing as I said 1st or 2nd line forward, why can that not possibly be a center? Is center not one of the 3 positions for forwards? Where did I say it had to be winger? Not sure why you needed capital letters and "slow" typing when I said nothing to suggest, "I don't get it!" Where did I say anything about not distinguishing centers and wingers? Maybe you need to chill out or something!



Not true, someone made that very suggestion.

I made a comment that if we wanted him now it would likely cost a first, but was not advocating for that. Maybe that is what you are thinking of.
We should have given up a 2nd for him, he would have helped our D in the short term while we try to find a fix for the future.

 

[SirloinUB]

Maybe years ago, you wanted him. Hasn't been recently.

As new information presents itself I update my opinions. That's how life should work.
- At one point I absolutely wanted Petersson no ifs ands or buts.
- He signed a mega contract, and struggled at the end of 2023-2024 season and I started feeling skeptical of him
- Then the JT-Petey saga dragged on and on and Petey's struggles continued. This turned my skepticism into disinterest.
- Shit this morning, I saw the pics of him icing his knee at the 4 nations. This makes me wonder if the struggles are more injury related than anything else. Maybe with proper rehab he can fully bounce back. This opens that door again (just a crack though).

 

[19 for president]

As new information presents itself I update my opinions. That's how life should work.
- At one point I absolutely wanted Petersson no ifs ands or buts.
- He signed a mega contract, and struggled at the end of 2023-2024 season and I started feeling skeptical of him
- Then the JT-Petey saga dragged on and on and Petey's struggles continued. This turned my skepticism into disinterest.
- Shit this morning, I saw the pics of him icing his knee at the 4 nations. This makes me wonder if the struggles are more injury related than anything else. Maybe with proper rehab he can fully bounce back. This opens that door again (just a crack though).

I'm still interested but I feel like he needs a full change of scenery/reset. The Miller/Pete thing dragged on way too long, and obviously created some factions and feelings overall within the locker room. This situation festered and its hard to come back from that. (Possible points for why Yzerman dumped Walman so quickly, even though I'm still not a huge fan of the trade)

I think he needs that new positive voice and he probably isn't going to get that in Van. Kinda like how this Wings team desperately needed the change that Todd brought.

With that said the longer this goes on the less of a premium I pay because he has a huge contract for someone not putting up 100 points/year. He is turning into a bit of a reclamation project and you don't pay premiums for those.

 

[Ricelund]

If Lidstrom is still interested, I'm still interested...

Lidstrom was on a swedish NHL radio show the other day they asked him about Pettersson to Detroit. And he said they'd absolutely be interested if he's ready to be traded and that they're following the situation of course.

 

[saska sault]

Pettersson is pulling the ultimate inside job... tank his value, so he can go to his wanted destination of Detroit on the cheap. You heard it here first.

 

[RedHawkDown]

You have to remember that Detroit reportedly had Pettersson #1 on their list in 2017. I know Yzerman's scouting staff is new, but there's still some people in the organization from that previous group and I'm sure Hakan was one of the main guys hoping for him. If Pettersson is going to be traded, I would think Detroit is absolutely in on it.

 

[Winger98]

I'm still interested but I feel like he needs a full change of scenery/reset. The Miller/Pete thing dragged on way too long, and obviously created some factions and feelings overall within the locker room. This situation festered and its hard to come back from that. (Possible points for why Yzerman dumped Walman so quickly, even though I'm still not a huge fan of the trade)

I think he needs that new positive voice and he probably isn't going to get that in Van. Kinda like how this Wings team desperately needed the change that Todd brought.

With that said the longer this goes on the less of a premium I pay because he has a huge contract for someone not putting up 100 points/year. He is turning into a bit of a reclamation project and you don't pay premiums for those.

Their GM so screwed the pooch on this. If he would have moved on this over the summer, he probably gets more from a Miller trade and doesn't let his locker room turn into a mess. Or he could have used Petersson's contract demands to move him before signing him to that big deal. Now, their #1 center still might not be happy, have to wonder if their not seeming to be interested in re-signing Boeser is fall out from it, and who knows who else is unhappy. And adding to that they had their GM going to the media to call out players earlier in the season.

The whole thing seems self-inflicted.

 

[saska sault]

Pettersson seems like a risky trade because of his salary, even with the cap going up... if he is a 60-70 point guy going forward, thats a huge price tag. Personally not very fond of moving our recent 1st rounders, but if Vancouver were to take back some type of salary back it would make a lot more sense. Guys expiring this year dont matter much in the longer term outlook but maybe a Holl, Tarasenko, Veleno? Or if they take a guy with positive value still in the likes of Rasmussen who is a west coast kid? I wont pretend to know the asking price, but you would think its still relatively high considering they moved Miller and kept him.

Something like Ras, Tarasenko, Danielson (who I would like to keep but you need to pay some type of premium) and maybe a protected future 1st? Maybe some B level prospects in there also? Maybe im way off on value.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

If Pettersson asks for #40, you have to tell him no.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

If Pettersson asks for #40, you have to tell him no.

How about just don’t trade for him?

Raymond, Mo and Larkin are on super friendly team deals. Trading for a moody 11 million layer disrupts that. What incentive is there for a guy like Ed and Kasper to take a friendly deal if you get Petey?

 

[RedHawkDown]

How about just don’t trade for him?

Raymond, Mo and Larkin are on super friendly team deals. Trading for a moody 11 million layer disrupts that. What incentive is there for a guy like Ed and Kasper to take a friendly deal if you get Petey?

Well, you make the trade with the expectation/hope that he gets back to his 100-point self, which he absolutely has the talent to do. It's risky, but an opportunity to get a player of his calibre for the (relatively) cheap price it would cost given the risk involved rarely ever comes along.

If Pettersson gets back to scoring 100 pts a year, 11.5 is a team-friendly deal. 2022-2023 Petterson scored 102 pts while playing extremely good defense. He was a much better player than anybody on our team right now, including Raymond, Mo and Larkin. If he can get back there, then Ed and Kasper have nothing to complain about, as he absolutely deserves 11.5 at that levle of play. But of course you make that trade as a gamble, as he could continue to downtrend and then you're stuck with the contract.

But I just have a feeling he explodes after leaving Vancouver. Can anyone name a player who had this level of skill and proven performance in his first 3-4 years and then just became a perenneal 60pt player after that? I can't think of a single person.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Pettersson seems like a risky trade because of his salary, even with the cap going up... if he is a 60-70 point guy going forward, thats a huge price tag. Personally not very fond of moving our recent 1st rounders, but if Vancouver were to take back some type of salary back it would make a lot more sense. Guys expiring this year dont matter much in the longer term outlook but maybe a Holl, Tarasenko, Veleno? Or if they take a guy with positive value still in the likes of Rasmussen who is a west coast kid? I wont pretend to know the asking price, but you would think its still relatively high considering they moved Miller and kept him.

Something like Ras, Tarasenko, Danielson (who I would like to keep but you need to pay some type of premium) and maybe a protected future 1st? Maybe some B level prospects in there also? Maybe im way off on value.

Way off in value, imo. 20+ teams would offer more. They just got rid of Miller, if they get rid of Pettersson too their best C would be Filip Chytil. They would need a top 6 C back in return (don’t bother offering Compher/Copp)