24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[The Zetterberg Era]

Lol why would danielson surpass kasper as 1st line left wing when we seen already the chemistry there. Zero chance it happens

Danielson will start on the 3rd. And as much as it be cool to land marner what happens to all the kids coming up?

Debrincat would 100% be moved at some point as they're would be no spots on the top 6 for nygaard,potentially our 1st this year, buchelnikov,lombardi,soderblom,finnie,kiiskinen... that's why I think yzerman targets someone with shorter term like kreider, bertuzzi

The same way you started Kasper on the wing to jump start his career and Larkin as well. Kasper is going to center his own line there, break Danielson on the wing in the top 6 makes a ton of sense either on the first or second line.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I can definitely see pasta being traded but that offer is too low. Berggren/Ras is not Stankoven. 2 1sts + Danielson +

Stankoven isn’t a future superstar. He’s a future top 9 40ish point scorer with maybe a few seasons in the 50s.

Detroit’s 1sts are also worth more than double Dallas 1st round picks. Dallas will be picking 26 to 32. Detroit will be picking 6 to 12. HUGE difference. Hence the lower quality roster player in the trade.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Trade for Pasta.

If Boston is tearing it down to the studs then he’s gotta be on the table. Similar to the trade structure for Rantanen?

2025 1st
2027 conditional 1st (we make the postseason it’s theirs. If not it slides to 2028)
2025 3rd, Berggren or Rasmussen.
Or keep the 3rd and trade both Burgers and Ras.
Or make it a 2nd and trade Compher.

Pastrnak has 6 years left and has 90 points on the season right now. We’re not getting that in this draft.

Then sign Marchand in the offseason.

That doesn’t address the gaping hole in D but we’d be fun to watch again.

DBC - Larkin - Pasta
Marchand - Kasper - Raymond
Soderblom - Danielson - Kane
Ras - Copp - Mazur

That looks like a top 10 forward group to me.

Bruins aren’t trading him anytime soon. Still have a good d core and swayman, they’ll attempt the rebuildn on the fly nonsense

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Stankoven isn’t a future superstar. He’s a future top 9 40ish point scorer with maybe a few seasons in the 50s.

Detroit’s 1sts are also worth more than double Dallas 1st round picks. Dallas will be picking 26 to 32. Detroit will be picking 6 to 12. HUGE difference. Hence the lower quality roster player in the trade.

Watch it , you’ll piss off some ppl if you don’t think stankoven is a star

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

The same way you started Kasper on the wing to jump start his career and Larkin as well. Kasper is going to center his own line there, break Danielson on the wing in the top 6 makes a ton of sense either on the first or second line.

He started on the 4th line , danielson won’t make his nhl debut as a top line player. 3rd to start, we’ll see what happens

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

He started on the 4th line , danielson won’t make his nhl debut as a top line player. 3rd to start, we’ll see what happens

So we are hoping McLellan gets that wrong, his first game in Toronto they put him in the top 6, but yes LaLonde was slotting him down the lineup. I think it is honestly the way to go with the high profile guys. They should start around more talent so they learn how those guys drive play. I guess we will see. Danielson is an older birthday, but has produced more than Kasper in his first season in Grand Rapids, not sure why he cannot have a decent role on this team next year. We cannot keep blocking youth to not make the playoffs.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

His So we are hoping McLellan gets that wrong, his first game in Toronto they put him in the top 6, but yes LaLonde was slotting him down the lineup. I think it is honestly the way to go with the high profile guys. They should start around more talent so they learn how those guys drive play. I guess we will see. Danielson is an older birthday, but has produced more than Kasper in his first season in Grand Rapids, not sure why he cannot have a decent role on this team next year. We cannot keep blocking youth to not make the playoffs.

Older bday and produced 3 more pts not like he’s out produced him by a mile... also scored 3 less goals if we’re going that route

Never said he couldn’t have a decent role. Starting off as 3c and seeing how the season goes is not a bad start. Most of the kids here started on the 4th line and if Yzerman does his job and gets rid of a compher and puts copp 4c where he belongs along side Rasmussen maybe danielson can get a kane if he returns or mazur and maybe Soderblom

I’d say a Soderblom danielson Kane 3rd line is a lot more than what Kasper had to play with to start his nhl career

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Older bday and produced 3 more pts not like he’s out produced him by a mile... also scored 3 less goals if we’re going that route

Never said he couldn’t have a decent role. Starting off as 3c and seeing how the season goes is not a bad start. Most of the kids here started on the 4th line and if Yzerman does his job and gets rid of a compher and puts copp 4c where he belongs along side Rasmussen maybe danielson can get a kane if he returns or mazur and maybe Soderblom

I’d say a Soderblom danielson Kane 3rd line is a lot more than what Kasper had to play with to start his nhl career

I would rather not play him at center in his rookie year is really one of the bigger points I am driving at.

Copp can be disappointing as a 2nd line center and has, but he is a perfectly capable third line center. I guess we will see, in the scenario we were talking about we sign Marner, which should mean no Kane.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

I would rather not play him at center in his rookie year is really one of the bigger points I am driving at.

Copp can be disappointing as a 2nd line center and has, but he is a perfectly capable third line center. I guess we will see, in the scenario we were talking about we sign Marner, which should mean no Kane.

I’m ok with 3c, much rather have him there than copp

Soderblom copp danielson laine doesn’t get me as excited, I’d want to see one of compher/copp gone and the one left as 4c. The way lombardi is playing he might even make the roster

I’d have zero problems going with a g,r 3rd line of lombard danielson Soderblom/mazur
Like you said sooner or later the kids will have to be counted on and I’d rather see it now. Get rid of compher and tarasenko

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I’m ok with 3c, much rather have him there than copp

Soderblom copp danielson laine doesn’t get me as excited, I’d want to see one of compher/copp gone and the one left as 4c. The way lombardi is playing he might even make the roster

I’d have zero problems going with a g,r 3rd line of lombard danielson Soderblom/mazur
Like you said sooner or later the kids will have to be counted on and I’d rather see it now. Get rid of compher and tarasenko

Rookie centers typically get crushed at the face off dot, which is why teams often ease them in on the wing.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Off topic but Looking ahead and if we have a stupid expansion draft yet again for a team or 2 wouldn’t it be better longterm if pellika gets delayed a year and stays in shl. Likely won’t happen but this expansion talk is pissing me off now that we’re finally seeing the kids we drafted coming we might lose good assets


If we have expansion team(s) in 26-27 Albert johansson would likely be lost unless we pay a team not to take him but if we have two new teams that’s more of a headache. Sooner expansion happens the better. If the teams come 27-28 it’ll be more of a headache

Assuming it’s 26-27

Seider edvinsson johansson are protected easily .... it’s another problem if we do go get a Romanov etc... this off season

Tuomisto wallinder would be exposed

Goaltending Cossa would be protected , anyone else exposed I’m fine ... gylander

Upfront

This one I think might be up for debate

Larkin raymond Kasper danielson lombardi Soderblom mazur

Exposed Rasmussen, Berggren if he’s still here, debrincat ? He’d probably be going into his last season and as I stayed I can’t see us locking him up longterm and see us likely dealing him and if there is an expansion draft at that time unless mazur and Soderblom , lombardi tank do we think we risk losing one of them over debrincat if we’re not resigning him?

So probably wrong or missing guys who might be available to lose

Wallinder, tuomisto, Albert (depending the year)
Rasmussen,becher,Berggren,debrincat/mazur?

I can see Yzerman trading a 2nd and mid picks to protect all he’s done thus far and making the expansion team take someone he’s willing to part with


Just recalled Finnie coming in late might force us to have to protect him as well as Buium. Ffs ... don’t even want to think about another stupid expansion draft

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Rookie centers typically get crushed at the face off dot, which is why teams often ease them in on the wing.

Copp As 3c it is ... yay

 

[Reddwit]

Buffalo has 4 solid RFAs this year.

McCloud
Peterka
Quinn
Byram

Byram and Peterka aren’t getting less than 6 mil a season so I’d advise them but I think one of McCloud and Quinn can be stolen for 4.5 and only cost a second rounder. That would be great value.

No way Buffalo lets McLeod go. They didn’t trade for him for funsies, they targeted him and it’s paying off in a massive way. He’s established himself as a core Sabre at this point. They love him over there.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Stankoven isn’t a future superstar. He’s a future top 9 40ish point scorer with maybe a few seasons in the 50s.

Detroit’s 1sts are also worth more than double Dallas 1st round picks. Dallas will be picking 26 to 32. Detroit will be picking 6 to 12. HUGE difference. Hence the lower quality roster player in the trade.

Not saying stankove will be a superstar but pretty comparable to danielson i’d say. Also yeah the pick is higher but that was for an Unsigned Rantanen. If he was signed to a deal the price would’ve been steeper.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Not saying stankove will be a superstar but pretty comparable to danielson i’d say. Also yeah the pick is higher but that was for an Unsigned Rantanen. If he was signed to a deal the price would’ve been steeper.

6’2” two way center vs 5’8” winger. Even if points are the same Danielson is light years more valuable.

Also Dallas doesn’t make that trade if Rantanen wasn’t willing to sign there long term. They negotiated that deal during the trade.

 

[newfy]

Older bday and produced 3 more pts not like he’s out produced him by a mile... also scored 3 less goals if we’re going that route

Never said he couldn’t have a decent role. Starting off as 3c and seeing how the season goes is not a bad start. Most of the kids here started on the 4th line and if Yzerman does his job and gets rid of a compher and puts copp 4c where he belongs along side Rasmussen maybe danielson can get a kane if he returns or mazur and maybe Soderblom

I’d say a Soderblom danielson Kane 3rd line is a lot more than what Kasper had to play with to start his nhl career

Yeah Danielson has 3 more points in 6 less games which is what you didn't mention in your post. Obviously there's still free agency and training camp before things shake out.... but arguing about Danielson should be the third line center instead of on a top 6 wing seems a little ridiculous at this point.

There's a fairly realistic chance you get a similar impact out of Danielson next season that you did out of Kasper this year. Why not break him in the way that saw Kasper take off? The same way the last good center you developed in Larkin also broke in?

Kasper is turning into one of my favourite wings really quickly, but Danielson does have more natural offence to his game. No reason to say Danielson should be 3rd or 4th line just because that's what Lalonde did to Kasper

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Yeah Danielson has 3 more points in 6 less games which is what you didn't mention in your post. Obviously there's still free agency and training camp before things shake out.... but arguing about Danielson should be the third line center instead of on a top 6 wing seems a little ridiculous at this point.

There's a fairly realistic chance you get a similar impact out of Danielson next season that you did out of Kasper this year. Why not break him in the way that saw Kasper take off? The same way the last good center you developed in Larkin also broke in?

Kasper is turning into one of my favourite wings really quickly, but Danielson does have more natural offence to his game. No reason to say Danielson should be 3rd or 4th line just because that's what Lalonde did to Kasper

Cool 3 more pts in 6 less games . Also doing it a year older and scored 3 less goals

Fine it’s ridiculous. It’s also realistic ... I argued more so he wouldn’t be first line left wing on game 1 but even top 6 is a bit of a stretch. Like you said also free agency and trades in the summer. Kasper larkin raymond debrincat are top 6 to start the season for sure. Soderblom has been top 6 lately, Kane might return

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with danielson starting off 3c and seeing how it goes maybe 30-40 games down the road he moves up depending on the situation the team is in and his play. I think we can have a really solid 3rd line next year with danielson at c if we toss Rasmussen,copp on the 4th where they belong

I wouldn’t put danielson on the 4th line, at that point bring him back to g.r

 

[Winger98]

Rookie centers typically get crushed at the face off dot, which is why teams often ease them in on the wing.

not just crushed at the dot, but with the defensive responsibilities of the position. It takes a lot to hold your own in that position, and on the road he's going to get a lot of hard matchups. Shifting him out to wing anywhere in the top9 makes more sense that putting him at center, at least for a bit so he can feel out the league and gain some confidence.

 

[newfy]

Cool 3 more pts in 6 less games . Also doing it a year older and scored 3 less goals

Fine it’s ridiculous. It’s also realistic ... I argued more so he wouldn’t be first line left wing on game 1 but even top 6 is a bit of a stretch. Like you said also free agency and trades in the summer. Kasper larkin raymond debrincat are top 6 to start the season for sure. Soderblom has been top 6 lately, Kane might return

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with danielson starting off 3c and seeing how it goes maybe 30-40 games down the road he moves up depending on the situation the team is in and his play. I think we can have a really solid 3rd line next year with danielson at c if we toss Rasmussen,copp on the 4th where they belong

I wouldn’t put danielson on the 4th line, at that point bring him back to g.r

Yeah he's 6 months older at the same time as Kasper. Kasper got to play on a better team without the injury problems as well.

Taking the energy to argue against Danielson being in the top 6, not even as a center next year after seeing what Kasper has done this year isnt really realistic at all to me. There's a very solid shot it happens. Danielson is also better defensively at the same age in my opinion compared to Kasper.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Yeah he's 6 months older at the same time as Kasper. Kasper got to play on a better team without the injury problems as well.

Taking the energy to argue against Danielson being in the top 6, not even as a center next year after seeing what Kasper has done this year isnt really realistic at all to me. There's a very solid shot it happens. Danielson is also better defensively at the same age in my opinion compared to Kasper.

Guess we’ll just have to wait and see where he is game 1