24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[JohanFranzenstein]

I can't wait to be out of the playoffs in 2 weeks and to get nonstop emails and calls about how "ITS NEVER BEEN MORE EXCITING TO BE A RED WINGS FAN, SIGN UP FOR SEASON TICKET PRESALE TODAY" so I can tell the poor salesman what I really think about the organization.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

I think the most frustrating position in sports is when you expect to be good, but you're bad. You can't sell, because that's not your goal, but you also can't really buy, because you might trade away the assets you need to improve. So you're just kinda on your own.

But you're also in this position because you don't really understand your team and what you have, so being on your own isn't a safe position, either. You're stuck.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Love it

I personally do hope the teams in our division get stronger..

Forces us to try to improve or forces us into a prolonged rebuild

Either way we get what we deserve

 

[USAHockey97]

But he did this pretty well in TB, which leads me to think the issue is that he is getting bad scouting from our pro-scouts. Also bad coaching feedback from Blash/Lalonde (Todd is TBD this isn't his team or construction).

This still falls back on Yzerman to some degree as he determines his staff, but I think he did a way better job of this in Tampa than he has here, so that leads me to look at what is different.

*TB was also a more desirable destination at the time too

Yzerman started out with two first overall picks in Stamkos and Hedman, drafted an all world goalie in Vasilevskiy, and nailed later picks like Kucherov, Point and Cicirelli. He also made some great trades.

The wings don’t have that on the team or in their pipeline. They didn’t get the elite offensive talent they needed. Plus his trades leave a bit to be desired. See his drastic undervaluing of Walman.

His free agents signing have just sucked for the most part. Be honest and realize the Wings are not set up to be serious contenders and will be mediocre for the next 10 years or will rebuild the rebuild.

 

[SirloinUB]

Out of desperation I kind of want to see Yzerman trade for and extend Boeser.

 

[izlez]

Out of desperation I kind of want to see Yzerman trade for and extend Boeser.

He's a player I like and the rumored prices are more reasonable than most... just sucks that a right handed winger is probably the last thing we need

 

[Leibinger6]

Can we end this Tampa and SY talk forever? Please..?

As someone alluded to earlier, there are layers of help within any organization/FO and CLEARLY the TBL are still operating at a high level, despite some contract hurdles and attrition. I’ve been saying this for awhile, that I’m not willing to give Steve all the credit for their success. Too many heads involved.

Objectively speaking, Stevie has probably graded at about a C, B- (at best) since his arrival.

Unanimously we agree the vast majority of his FA signings have been trash. One area he has done better than average is his first round picks. Especially considering the poor lottery luck. But drafting IN ENTIRETY has been average to slightly above.

One amateur mistake we should be glad he didn’t make, was trying to expedite the rebuild through trading picks/prospects the moment he sniffed a little success. Many of us, however, believe the long game he’s playing is killing our culture (Buffalo Wings reference). There needs to be a happy medium.

The MacLellan hiring was smart. Unfortunately it was a month (or more) too late.

In my opinion, he also should have targeted an upgrade at D and/or F right before the ‘All-Star break’ when we seemed firmly in the Wildcard. Momentum sustainer. The guys deserved that much after playing their tails off since Todd took over. Especially considering he’s stood pat every season prior.

Now between the losing streak and Walman s***show our glasses are de-fogging and we are realizing things really aren’t as rosy as temporarily believed.

 

[HeHateMeFrisbee]

I WANT MY f***IN OREOS!

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Again, justifying it.

It's ok to say "Yzerman didn't do well on this one", but some people make an excuse for everything. How dare anyone question the Lord and Saviour Stephen Gregory Yzerman. Shame on anyone who is critical of your Messiah.

I said that he did bad on the Walman trade. What the hell needs to be said that doesn't come off as an excuse.

I'm just saying that It is also true that Edmonton giving San Jose a 1st does not make Yzerman's trade of Walman any worse than it already was. Walman before this year was not returning a 1st from anyone. It was awful, beyond awful, that he felt he needed to dump Walman so bad he gave up a second.

I can only think it's because he had a trade for Trouba lined up or he was in talks with Stammer and valued the 3M he freed up more than the Jake Walman he traded. Terrible trade though.

But Edmonton trading for him does not make it worse than it already was. Walman had a really solid year in San Jose being given top pairing time and that's what Edmonton is paying for. And Edmonton is feeling the pinch to make adds because they weren't able to win the Cup and their cap world is about to be shake, rattle, and rolled in the coming years.

My point is that the Jake Walman trade, terrible as it was, is kinda inconsequential as to why Detroit is where it's at and it's more based on taking guys like Grewe, Tuomisto, Buium, McIsaac, Veleno, etc. who looked good on prospect lists but who haven't been tracking to be even average NHL players.

Once upon a time Ben Chiarot was worth a 1st at the TDL. Tanner Jeannot ended up getting like 2/3rds of a draft traded for him.

 

[SirloinUB]

He's a player I like and the rumored prices are more reasonable than most... just sucks that a right handed winger is probably the last thing we need

Ya he isn't an ideal fit for our roster but he seems like the best youngish player available (that could be conceivably extended).

Realistically we should save our powder for the next top Center/Dman (next horvat/hronek type) to be available.

 

[saska sault]

Lalonde is on the sportsnet trade deadline panel..... really scraping the bottom of the barrel for talent.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

All you can do at this point is shake your head and laugh at that Walman trade.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Yzerman is not a serious GM at this point. Drafting well and doing nothing else at all is a recipe to be trash.

 

[dragonballgtz]

Lalonde is on the sportsnet trade deadline panel..... really scraping the bottom of the barrel for talent.

Wonder if he convinced Yzerman to trade Walman.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Jim Nill is a savage.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

This website is so f***ing cheap. Every year on big days the server crashes and no measures are ever put in place...

 

[Ricelund]

Jim Nill is a savage.

He has CRUSHED it in Dallas.

 

[datsyukfan]

Are we even sure yzerman knows it’s the deadline today?

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Prices seem pretty high. I can understand not wanting to make a big splash. But why not a depth defenseman? It must be something like Petry will be back soon.

 

[saska sault]

Prices seem pretty high. I can understand not wanting to make a big splash. But why not a depth defenseman? It must be something like Petry will be back soon.

If our move is waiting for Petry to be back I may be sick. I am all for the patience method for the most part but Yzerman needs to throw the dogs a bone... even a small one.

 

[lilidk]

 

[lhsgolf19]

 

[Snuggs]

We'll retain salary for a 5th rdp.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Lalonde was just on sports net talking about how great Walman is

 

[nbwingsfan]

If our move is waiting for Petry to be back I may be sick. I am all for the patience method for the most part but Yzerman needs to throw the dogs a bone... even a small one.

This.

We already have a ton of failed 2nd/3rd round picks who likely aren’t going to be regular NHL contributors… why are we holding onto these picks like they’re gold?

If our move is waiting for Petry to be back I may be sick. I am all for the patience method for the most part but Yzerman needs to throw the dogs a bone... even a small one.