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Air Budd Dwyer said:
The overreaction to the Walman trade is absurd. He was ASS after the new year for this team and was a reported locker room issue. Let’s not pretend like he was going to get a 1st round pick coming back when Yzerman traded him. He’s having an outlier season and good for SJ being able to trade him when his value is the highest it’ll ever be. But this situation right now compared to when Yzerman traded him is apples and oranges.
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I think that is exactly why people are and should be upset. We chose to get rid of Walman while his value was at its absolute lowest. Move him six months earlier or later and he's worth a first. There was no need to rush the trade if the prices were bad. If we waited, we'd have an extra first and second. Or more likely, if we'd waited, we'd be comfortably in a playoff spot and have no intention of moving Walman. He's exactly what this team needs right now.

I'm no more upset about the Walman deal than the day it happened. It was clearly a mistake then. I didn't need the vindication of the sharks getting a first for him to prove it was dumb at the time. It was a mistake. To those that needed proof, here it is. Trading Walman and a second to San Jose for nothing was a mistake. People make mistakes and Yzerman on the whole is still a good GM. He'll make more mistakes. It's not the end of the world. We should move on already.
 
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I don’t think we will do much, unless a move towards what I expect will be some overhaul planned in the offseason materializes. Yzerman has to take a legitimate swing at blowing this thing apart. I hope he finds Chairot a new home today.

I also hope we trade Lyon today.
 
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HisNoodliness said:
I think that is exactly why people are and should be upset. We chose to get rid of Walman while his value was at its absolute lowest. Move him six months earlier or later and he's worth a first. There was no need to rush the trade if the prices were bad. If we waited, we'd have an extra first and second. Or more likely, if we'd waited, we'd be comfortably in a playoff spot and have no intention of moving Walman. He's exactly what this team needs right now.

I'm no more upset about the Walman deal than the day it happened. It was clearly a mistake then. I didn't need the vindication of the sharks getting a first for him to prove it was dumb at the time. It was a mistake. To those that needed proof, here it is. Trading Walman and a second to San Jose for nothing was a mistake. People make mistakes and Yzerman on the whole is still a good GM. He'll make more mistakes. It's not the end of the world. We should move on already.
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The most optimistic way I can paint it is that Detroit anticipated trading for Trouba, needed the cap space, and didn't like Walman in the locker room, so they ditched him any way they could.

Which is, at a minimum, bad talent evaluation for their desperation to acquire a player like Trouba, especially given his contract. I don't like the player at any price, but he's vastly overpaid, even had NY provided some retention.

Now I'm starting to wonder if the Wings SHOULD try to build their entire roster via the draft. Even if the odds are unlikely to pull it off, they have so many successes with their picks and so many bad moves in free agency and trades, it might be better to just stand pat every March and take the keys away every July.
 
OgeeOgelthorpe said:
I’m starting to think the Husso trade was to clear salary to compensate for the revenue lost of not making the playoffs.

This team needs a jolt for a second year in a row and they’re not getting it from management. Be assertive, one way or another. Tear it down or make moves to build it up better.
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Theres no revenue loss. Every game is sold out and ticket prices are insane but ppl are still paying.
 
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Wtff avs traded Ritchie for a 33 yr old ufa to be??? I thought he was a top end prospect ? Unless hes gone downhill that's ridiculous

Anddddddd I seen rantanen likely to dallas , I guess he is bitter like me and wants to go to the same division and take revenge on Colorado lmao

Carolina needs to stop targeting the big ufa's to be no one wants to willingly go there lol
 
RedWingzz said:
we had to attach a 2nd to trade Walman

San Jose just got a first to trade him

question 1, what are your thoughts on this?
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Big deal...... EDM 1st is a late 1st, so we miss out the opportunity to pick another Veleno. As for the 2nd round, it was free for us. Wings swapped prospects with Preds and got 2nd round pick for it.
 
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SantosHalper said:
Big deal...... EDM 1st is a late 1st, so we miss out the opportunity to pick another Veleno. As for the 2nd round, it was free for us. Wings swapped prospects with Preds and got 2nd round pick for it.
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Some fans will find a way to justify anything.

It was idiotic, and is getting ridiculed league wide, but "big deal" because hfboards user SantosHalper said so.
 
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I forgot how much the lack of effort of reporting on conditional picks drives me crazy on days like today.

Is it a conditional 3rd that can turn into a 1st if he plays a minimum of 5 games?
Is it a conditional 1st that can turn into a 7th if he doesn't win back to back Conn Smythe's?

This needs to be front and center when a trade is announced. If you don't have that info, you haven't scooped the trade
 
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SantosHalper said:
Big deal...... EDM 1st is a late 1st, so we miss out the opportunity to pick another Veleno. As for the 2nd round, it was free for us. Wings swapped prospects with Preds and got 2nd round pick for it.
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This is such a bad take, and I’m an Yzerman slappy and will always give him the benefit of the doubt but the idea that you dismiss a 1st rd pick that was has for a guy we spent a 2nd rounder getting rid of is too much. Having said that, I will always believe that Yzerman made that move because he had a trade done and needed the space, whether that was Trouba or someone else, I will never believe he needed to get rid of Walman that bad to give him away along with draft capital.
 
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Obviously, there are bigger problems in the organization than just the guy at the top.

It isn't exactly like it, but this is still too similar to the Holland era at the end. Tampa Bay hasn't missed one beat since Yzerman left. They still make the right choices between UFA/Draft/Trades/etc.

The guy at the top gets the credit but clearly there's 'levels', as the kids say, when it comes to people working within Tampa Bay and Detroit.

Yzerman's not particularly doing a "bad" job all around but he's not going really good either, his stuff just hasn't worked out in UFA and it's been rather conservative.

They're the Buffalo Wings. We're in the same place as those guys we make fun of.

Buffalo Wings make money, and they've got people's attention just winging it for a playoff spot. They've worked fans for two years in a row now, with a good setup in the offseason to sell more "hope".
 
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Snuggs said:
Obviously, there are bigger problems in the organization than just the guy at the top.

It isn't exactly like it, but this is still too similar to the Holland era at the end. Tampa Bay hasn't missed one beat since Yzerman left. They still make the right choices between UFA/Draft/Trades/etc.

The guy at the top gets the credit but clearly there's 'levels', as the kids say, when it comes to people working within Tampa Bay and Detroit.

Yzerman's not particularly doing a "bad" job all around but he's not going really good either, his stuff just hasn't worked out in UFA and it's been rather conservative.

They're the Buffalo Wings. We're in the same place as those guys we make fun of.
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...Let me check the standings...

Us compared to the team that is a god amongst men that we could never aspire to be:
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Us compared to the team that is the laughing stock of the league that is actually indistinguishable from us:
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I'm sorry that we hit a small cold streak while dealing with several injuries. It'll be fine
 
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RedWingzz said:
Some fans will find a way to justify anything.

It was idiotic, and is getting ridiculed league wide, but "big deal" because hfboards user SantosHalper said so.
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Conversely, some fans, like you, are talking like the rumored first for Walman is somehow somehow added to the cost for the Wings of giving Walman up. Were you pissed too about how the Preds got a first for Patrick Eaves after the Legwand trade?

They are two wholly separate transactions. If Walman is dealt for a first now it’s because Edmonton likes what he did in San Jose
 
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The Walman saga sucks, but it's not something to keep getting bent out of shape about. You go thru Yzerman's trade history and it is a glaring aberration. I don't think it's crazy to think there were reasons behind the move that we'll never know. It sucks, but it is what it is. I also don't think SJ moves him even for a 1st if they think he is a legit top3 guy, or that they couldn't have gotten more if that view was shared around the league. Regardless, just wish the guy luck in Edmonton.
 
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...Let me check the standings...

Us compared to the team that is a god amongst men that we could never aspire to be:
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Us compared to the team that is the laughing stock of the league that is actually indistinguishable from us:
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I'm sorry that we hit a small cold streak while dealing with several injuries. It'll be fine
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I'll make a deal, if they make the playoffs I'll stop posting. If they miss the playoffs you stop posting?

I could just block you, but I sometimes enjoy seeing the delusions. I'd be happy to leave here forever.
 
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OgeeOgelthorpe said:
They would make more money by making the postseason. Therefore, not making the postseason is loss of potential income.
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That’s a dumb theory. They traded Husso because he was an extraneous piece who wasn’t gonna play again in Detroit in a significant way. And by moving him… the Wings opened themselves up to be able to move for a player if the trade was there.
 
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Snuggs said:
I'll make a deal, if they make the playoffs I'll stop posting. If they miss the playoffs you stop posting?

I could just block you, but I sometimes enjoy seeing the delusions.
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I didn't make a claim that we're going to make the playoffs.

"We're in the same place as those guys we make fun of" just isn't accurate. They play hockey games to determine that, and its not even close.
 
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