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Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXIIX: Rust out, Marner in, all part of the plan!

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SEALBound said:
In my head, Detroit is a prime location for him right now. Yzerman should be foaming at the mouth for a guy like Rust. Raymond-Larkin-Rust could be a legit force.
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D William Wallinder or D Albert Johansson, plus C Amadeus Lombardi and 14th overall for Rust and a third-rounder.
 
My thing with Rust is they don't HAVE to trade him right now. Set a price, if someone meets that price, see ya. Otherwise, keep him.

This board was getting their pitchforks out because Dubas didn't trade Eller last deadline. Reports were there wasn't enough interest and nobody was willing to meet their price until Washington did it this year.

Do the same thing with Rust. Unless they are taking a run at Marner, they don't need the cap space or the roster spot. In the meantime, it helps McGroarty and Koivenen to play with actual top 6 NHL players and gives the team a chance to evaluate them without having to wonder "is this because (Beauvillier) is on the other wing?"
 
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Willander and #14 overall for either Rust or Rakell would be a deal I’d be fully on board with, and I think the value there is pretty good as well.

Take on Tarasenko in the deal as well to replace Rust/Rakell in the depth chart and also sweeten the package a bit for the Red Wings.

pistolpete11 said:
My thing with Rust is they don't HAVE to trade him right now. Set a price, if someone meets that price, see ya. Otherwise, keep him.

This board was getting their pitchforks out because Dubas didn't trade Eller last deadline. Reports were there wasn't enough interest and nobody was willing to meet their price until Washington did it this year.

Do the same thing with Rust. Unless they are taking a run at Marner, they don't need the cap space or the roster spot. In the meantime, it helps McGroarty and Koivenen to play with actual top 6 NHL players and gives the team a chance to evaluate them without having to wonder "is this because (Beauvillier) is on the other wing?"
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Exactly correct. I want them to be targeting 2026 picks for Karlsson and Rakell/Rust anyway, so whether they trade them today for that or in a year for that makes no difference. The only risk is with their value falling off, which I don’t think is that high of a risk as long as they’re playing with Crosby.

IMO you trade Rakell this offseason because his value is at its peak right now and you move Karlsson if you can get a solid return for him. But if you can’t get a good return? Don’t just trade them to trade them.
 
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pistolpete11 said:
My thing with Rust is they don't HAVE to trade him right now. Set a price, if someone meets that price, see ya. Otherwise, keep him.

This board was getting their pitchforks out because Dubas didn't trade Eller last deadline. Reports were there wasn't enough interest and nobody was willing to meet their price until Washington did it this year.

Do the same thing with Rust. Unless they are taking a run at Marner, they don't need the cap space or the roster spot. In the meantime, it helps McGroarty and Koivenen to play with actual top 6 NHL players and gives the team a chance to evaluate them without having to wonder "is this because (Beauvillier) is on the other wing?"
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I agree. I think Marner would be the main reason to move Rust. And, of course, the current market, which seems to be a bit bonkers right now.

We seem to be in a position of strength. Dubas was in such a position at the trade deadline this past season and I think he did incredibly well with the returns on Bunting (and Schenn), Glass and Beauvillier.

I would love to see that continue with the bottom of our current roster, guys like Lizotte, Acciari, Nedeljkovic, JARRY hopefully, maybe Graves, and maybe even K. Hayes, Heinen, Novak, Timmins, Dewar and Shea.
 
pistolpete11 said:
My thing with Rust is they don't HAVE to trade him right now. Set a price, if someone meets that price, see ya. Otherwise, keep him.

This board was getting their pitchforks out because Dubas didn't trade Eller last deadline. Reports were there wasn't enough interest and nobody was willing to meet their price until Washington did it this year.

Do the same thing with Rust. Unless they are taking a run at Marner, they don't need the cap space or the roster spot. In the meantime, it helps McGroarty and Koivenen to play with actual top 6 NHL players and gives the team a chance to evaluate them without having to wonder "is this because (Beauvillier) is on the other wing?"
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I really can't see Marner signing up for a rebuild, after his experiences. I know him and Sid are friends, and there's the Dubas connection. But still...
Dude doesn't have a Cup.

I don't think KD is even gonna try either.
 
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AuroraBorealis said:
I really can't see Marner signing up for a rebuild, after his experiences. I know him and Sid are friends, and there's the Dubas connection. But still...
Dude doesn't have a Cup.

I don't think KD is even gonna try either.
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He is newly married and newly a dad. Chances are, the decision THEY make is based on a lot of factors.
 
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Based on the price tags Marner is being rumored to be looking at, I don’t think it makes sense for the Penguins to sign him tbh

A 28 year old winger making $14 million a year on a rebuilding team? What’s really the point?
 
AuroraBorealis said:
I really can't see Marner signing up for a rebuild, after his experiences. I know him and Sid are friends, and there's the Dubas connection. But still...
Dude doesn't have a Cup.

I don't think KD is even gonna try either.
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Wasn't really the point of my post, but I'd be surprised if Dubas didn't inquire. How seriously he pursues it, meh. Doubt it.
 
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going to be a tune in event in this years draft. Dubas will be active at least in offers and conversations.
 
Dipsy Doodle said:
Anybody doubting Rust and Rakell's worth after an older, pricier Kreider coming off a dogshit year still ended up having net positive value?

Said it before, I'll say it again: a mid-1st in this draft ain't enough.
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Its going to be a first, a top tier prospect, and an additional asset (lower prospect or like a third round pick).
 
I think the situation could definitely be setting up for Rakell or Rust to bring back a massive return. Between there being many more buyers than sellers and UFA both being shitty and likely costing huge contracts, I definitely think Rakell for 3 years at $5 million would have a ton of value. It's just a question of how much Dubas wants to sell.

I think Karlsson is for sure gone and I'd bet that one of Rust or Rakell gets traded (very probably Rakell). I can also see at least 1 or 2 depth moves, with Nedjelkovic especially sticking out as a trade chip. But I think that's about the max I can see them doing this year. I expect their off-season to be something like:

-Karlsson for a replacement RD and futures
-Rakell for a replacement top-9 winger and futures
-Nedjelkovic for a pick
-Get paid to take on a short term cap dump or two, namely on D
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I think the situation could definitely be setting up for Rakell or Rust to bring back a massive return. Between there being many more buyers than sellers and UFA both being shitty and likely costing huge contracts, I definitely think Rakell for 3 years at $5 million would have a ton of value. It's just a question of how much Dubas wants to sell.

I think Karlsson is for sure gone and I'd bet that one of Rust or Rakell gets traded (very probably Rakell). I can also see at least 1 or 2 depth moves, with Nedjelkovic especially sticking out as a trade chip. But I think that's about the max I can see them doing this year. I expect their off-season to be something like:

-Karlsson for a replacement RD and futures
-Rakell for a replacement top-9 winger and futures
-Nedjelkovic for a pick
-Get paid to take on a short term cap dump or two, namely on D
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I could see one of Acciari, Heinen or Hayes also being moved.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I think Karlsson is for sure gone and I'd bet that one of Rust or Rakell gets traded (very probably Rakell).
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I'm not convinced of that. I think Dubas is only willing to go so far when it comes to trading all of Sid's help.

And in a weird way I think his public pseudo bashing of Karlsson almost makes it more likely that EK stays. It was kind of a challenge on Dubas part for EK to play better. I don't think you make that type of comment if you're looking to trade the guy.

I certainly wouldn't object if any of those guys were dealt. Just not as convinced as others that it happens.
 
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Karlsson's a lot tougher sell than Rakell or Rust, with the money he makes and relatively poor year.

Might be better off waiting to see if Karlsson sees a resurgence under a new coach. He could conceivably get a real nice return as an impending UFA if he has a bounceback this year. Not like we've got a big push to win this season - we can afford to see if he can rebound, and its not like anyone else is pushing for his #1 minutes. Take a page out of Grier's book and wait. As it is, we'd be selling him at a real low ebb.
 
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Karlsson to Carolina for Gostisbehere and one of their 2026 1sts is such a simple and logical deal that I feel like it absolutely should happen.
 
Lust for Life said:
Love hearing we're true sellers. Trade everyone. Tank. Taaaaank!

Surely we can convince Rangers to take Acciari for a pick or a random throw-a-dart-at-a-board prospect
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The Pittsburgh Penguins have acquired Tarasenko for future considerations.

Dipsy Doodle said:
Anybody doubting Rust and Rakell's worth after an older, pricier Kreider coming off a dogshit year still ended up having net positive value?

Said it before, I'll say it again: a mid-1st in this draft ain't enough.
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Surrrrrre
 
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