The Canes aren’t a team that are built around a one to three year window. They have a great pipeline of prospects, a relatively young roster, and a good cap structure. They took a shot on Rantanen and it didn’t work out. This was really good asset management.
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Gurglesons
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Because they thought they could convince him to sign.
They also knew Necas was walking next year and Drury is a bottom six guy.
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I just think Carolina should have been targeting a center not Rantanen with the Necas deal. They wouldn't include Necas for Miller but would for Rantanen. The have wing prospects but not center really. Miller would have been a great 2nd line center and they still could have gone out and landed a top 6 winger.
Canes are close but no cigar roster. Lots of nice prospects as well. Just something missing for a talented roster. I do think they needed to see if Jake would do a sign and trade. that also changes the return that Dubas gets. Same for the Av's forward. His age and production screamed at a sign and trade deal. Maybe the Canes didn't want to give up assets for a sign and trade. they got back assets this time.
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It can be good asset management but still bad moves. Having good assets is great but only when you use them to win.
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I don't really have any issue with targeting Rantanen. He's an elite winger and there's the Finnish connection with Aho--or, was, Aho seemed pretty disgusted with Rantanen's refusal to re-sign and eventually be dealt.
But whoever they went after, they had to make sure the guy was interested in re-signing if he was a UFA like Dallas did.
Poor Malkin skating with Bemstrom and Hayes on his wings.
I'm not even sure 2009 Geno could carry that garbage
I'm not even sure 2009 Geno could carry that garbage
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It's a damn good thing Geno doesn't care as much about his wingers as we do, cuz that dude would've been in Florida for a decade at this point.
I don’t think the Canes were going to find the center they were looking for on the market. Miller doesn’t fit Brindamour’s system's.
They were good moves. They moved assets for a star winger. It didn’t work out, so they got good assets back that will allow them to make a move when there is a move to be made.
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Miller is who our media has always thought Rust was/is. He can carry a line with ease, and PK, and play physical. Wanted him here for so long but alas. "Geno is our 2C" talk is always the loudest in the room even though he should have been switched to wing 3 years ago.
The old "just a blue collar guy" stuff with Rust is interesting. He's got basically one offensive move - but he can definitely fit in with whatever line he plays on.
The old "just a blue collar guy" stuff with Rust is interesting. He's got basically one offensive move - but he can definitely fit in with whatever line he plays on.
For a while, Miller had been painted by national media that I listen to as a goal scorer who doesn’t add a whole lot of value on the ice otherwise.
Brindamour needs centers that play a fully rounded game. Miller doesn’t do that.
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Whether Miller is a one dimensional primadona vs a gritty two way star simply depends on the season and are both true at different times.
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By who? lol that’s not miller at all. He has a few season where he has got selke votes. Highest was 15th in voting. He also Pks and throws a bunch of hits.
He would have fit great on the canes
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JT Miller is a wreck defensively.
He was great against McDavid in the playoffs, but he is Phil Kessel in his level of indifference at times in the D zone.
Canes adding a 31 year old with 5 years at 8+ mil would've been an absolutely moronic move.
Miller was a better fit for Jersey or Dallas.
He's a better winger than a C.
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Meh are the canes really a defensive style team? They are agressive on the forecheck and generate a ton of shots. They constantly push the play. They grind down opponents.
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I think the issue is you're looking at the Canes as if they have a bunch of studs and just need one guy to push them over the top.
The Canes essentially need a 2C, a top six winger, and a top pairing RHD without even getting into their goaltending situation.
Adding JT Miller who is a diminishing asset makes no sense for them.
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If the canes don’t jerk around Guentzel you have your winger. Then you trade for miller and you have the center. They could have been just addressing the RHD issue but they aren’t filling holes. Just creating more. Necas was also a top 6 winger they turned into a guy who will be a middle 6 winger
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They will have 30+ mil in cap next year.
They will likely make huge moves this summer.
Aho is a great player. But, he isn't a Sid or McDavid where you go all in every year with him.
Canes have a bunch of great prospects. They have as many 1st rounders as us in the next three years.
They have everything they need to be a very, very good team over the next three years.
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They still have to convince players to sign there. Necas was a really good asset that they turned into 3 worse assets. Maybe one of those first turns out better or they put multiple first together in a trade but they went from quality to quantity.
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I think you're really underrating Stankoven.
Also, they've convinced tons of players to sign there recently.
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I think the main issue is the system. Everybody talks about how hard the Carolina system is for players. I think Rantanen took one look at that system and was like, "nah, I'm good."
It is a structured, calculated system that yields great results despite holes in the lineup, questionable goaltending and a lack of elite talent. But come playoff time, you need elite talent. And if your preference is lineup balance, your players cannot be spent by the time you reach the playoffs.
I remember vividly watching last year's Carolina-NYR series. The Rangers were completely dead in the water. They were one period away from being done for the season. And then suddenly, they dominated the third period and won the game and series going away. Carolina looked gassed.
If they choose to continue down this path, they are wise to continue to target the Logan Stankoven's of this world. You need young legs to play that system, and young legs are cheap legs too, which Tom Dundon wants.
That said, there was talk pre-deadline that they were discussing a contract extension with Taylor Hall. Which for me is a head-scratcher, and I love Taylor Hall.
It is a structured, calculated system that yields great results despite holes in the lineup, questionable goaltending and a lack of elite talent. But come playoff time, you need elite talent. And if your preference is lineup balance, your players cannot be spent by the time you reach the playoffs.
I remember vividly watching last year's Carolina-NYR series. The Rangers were completely dead in the water. They were one period away from being done for the season. And then suddenly, they dominated the third period and won the game and series going away. Carolina looked gassed.
If they choose to continue down this path, they are wise to continue to target the Logan Stankoven's of this world. You need young legs to play that system, and young legs are cheap legs too, which Tom Dundon wants.
That said, there was talk pre-deadline that they were discussing a contract extension with Taylor Hall. Which for me is a head-scratcher, and I love Taylor Hall.
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