Salary Cap: 24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVII: Retool over! Time to go for a cup in 2026!

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I have to imagine that Carolina is a bit of a tough sale for elite players, too among other factors.

Your production is all but guaranteed to slip.

 

[Jacob]

I have to imagine that Carolina is a bit of a tough sale for elite players, too among other factors.

Your production is all but guaranteed to slip.

Yeah both Rantanen and Guentzel’s ice time dropped by more than 3 minutes in Carolina.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yeah both Rantanen and Guentzel’s ice time dropped by more than 3 minutes in Carolina.

Yeah that's the biggest factor... they try a more "balanced" approach which... more power to them, I guess. Hasn't worked when it matters so far but hey.

They also just play a super conservative brand of hockey. Necas is STILL their second leading scorer (by a decent bit at that) and he was traded over a month ago.

 

[Darren McCord]

I have to imagine that Carolina is a bit of a tough sale for elite players, too among other factors.

Your production is all but guaranteed to slip.

Maybe Rantanen was only going to sign a few places no matter what. They could have signed Jake but jerked him around. Jake asked for 8x8 but they refused to meet his offers until like a couple days before the deadline. At that point why wouldn’t he wait?

I think they could have easily got Jake at 8 or 8.5 x 8.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Maybe Rantanen was only going to sign a few places no matter what. They could have signed Jake but jerked him around. Jake asked for 8x8 but they refused to meet his offers until like a couple days before the deadline. At that point why wouldn’t he wait?

I think they could have easily got Jake at 8 or 8.5 x 8.

Ultimately money and security are usually the biggest factors, yes. I have a hard time believing Jake would have turned down a wheelbarrow of cash spread out over max term. But on top of everything else Carolina is also cheap.

It's a testament to their drafting and development that they've even gotten to this point.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I find it funny that Nill said "how would I afford Karlsson at $11.5 million?" when asked about it and then he trades for Rantanen and pays him $12 million a year

 

[Gurglesons]

Speaking of Dallas. Dubas should be all over offer sheeting Bourque.

If you give him 4.5 mil it costs a 2nd round pick. Dallas has around 5ish mil next year.

 

[Gurglesons]

nah. Maybe management screwed up but it started with him low balling Jake and letting him walk. Then he moved a ppg player signed 2 more years for what ended up being futures and a worse player. Canes moved backwards big time with all of this.

I just hope he panics this summer and gives up some of that draft capital for Rakell

Necas is very overrated.

He got 2 1sts, 3rds, and Stankoven for Necas, Drury, 2nd, 4th is great work.

 

[Darren McCord]

Necas is very overrated.

He got 2 1sts, 3rds, and Stankoven for Necas, Drury, 2nd, 4th is great work.

Awesome that he turned 2 NHL players into 1 player and lottery tickets. People obsess over draft picks. Those first will be closer to 2nd rounders anyways.

At the end of the day the canes are in a win now and just got worse.

Slavin is gona be 31
Aho is going to be 28

They are going going to age out by the time those picks do anything. Tulsky had an awful deadline

 

[Gurglesons]

Awesome that he turned 2 NHL players into 1 player and lottery tickets. People obsess over draft picks.

At the end of the day the canes are in a win now and just got worse.

I don't think the Canes are in win now this year.

They lost a ton of pieces and were trying to explore trading Necas all summer.

It looks bad because Rantanen was on the squad. But, I don't really have any issue with the process and Jack Drury is mid.

 

[Darren McCord]

I don't think the Canes are in win now this year.

They lost a ton of pieces and were trying to explore trading Necas all summer.

It looks bad because Rantanen was on the squad. But, I don't really have any issue with the process and Jack Drury is mid.

The Canes are moving back to the middle of the pack. Yes they have a lot of good prospects but those players still need to produce at the NHL level.

It is just move of them getting close then moving backwards instead of forwards.

You can say Necas isn't bad but he is still a PPG player and would be their leading scorer. And they turned him into Stankoven + futures.

 

[Gurglesons]

Let's go Pens.

 

[Gurglesons]

The Canes are moving back to the middle of the pack. Yes they have a lot of good prospects but those players still need to produce at the NHL level.

It is just move of them getting close then moving backwards instead of forwards.

You can say Necas isn't bad but he is still a PPG player and would be their leading scorer. And they turned him into Stankoven + futures.

Stankoven is an absolute dog.

They have Nikishin coming over in a few weeks.

They likely enter next offseason with over 37 million.

They'll be competely fine.

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[Turin]

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Let's go Pens.

I would love Marchand with Sid

 

[Gurglesons]

I would love Marchand with Sid

Play the year and then have it built to trade him again in 26-27.

 

[SEALBound]

Speaking of Dallas. Dubas should be all over offer sheeting Bourque.

If you give him 4.5 mil it costs a 2nd round pick. Dallas has around 5ish mil next year.

I don't often agree with you but I actually think this is a decent idea.

I might offer them a 2nd + 3rd first just to maintain relations.

Necas is very overrated.

He got 2 1sts, 3rds, and Stankoven for Necas, Drury, 2nd, 4th is great work.

Not when you're trying to compete for the cup with your core in it's prime.

Unless they take those 1sts and 3rds and use them to get back another impact winger, they are worse today than before. Yeah they have some kids coming up but it's still gonna take several years for guys like Nadeau, Blake, Nikishin, Morrow, etc to hit their stride in the league to where they are actual contenders.

Considering what the other teams did yesterday, this was a very wasteful year for them. I applaud them trying but woof. They would have been better off doing nothing. Colorado and Dallas came out better than Carolina did.

 

[Darren McCord]

Stankoven is an absolute dog.

They have Nikishin coming over in a few weeks.

They likely enter next offseason with over 37 million.

They'll be competely fine.

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Never said they won't be fine but they still took a step back in being contenders. It was a bad deadline no matter how you spin it for a team at the top of the East.

 

[Gurglesons]

Never said they won't be fine but they still took a step back in being contenders. It was a bad deadline no matter how you spin it for a team at the top of the East.

5 teams in the East have a better record since Jan 1.

They weren't a contender this year. Brent Burns is toast. Their center depth isn't championship caliber and their numbers earlier in the season were largely juiced by an insane shooting percentage.

 

[Gurglesons]

Not when you're trying to compete for the cup with your core in it's prime.

Unless they take those 1sts and 3rds and use them to get back another impact winger, they are worse today than before. Yeah they have some kids coming up but it's still gonna take several years for guys like Nadeau, Blake, Nikishin, Morrow, etc to hit their stride in the league to where they are actual contenders.

Considering what the other teams did yesterday, this was a very wasteful year for them. I applaud them trying but woof. They would have been better off doing nothing. Colorado and Dallas came out better than Carolina did.

It was already a wasteful year for them when they lost Pesce, Skjei, Tuevo, and Guentzel.

This was always a transitional year for the Canes.

 

[Darren McCord]

5 teams in the East have a better record since Jan 1.

They weren't a contender this year. Brent Burns is toast. Their center depth isn't championship caliber and their numbers earlier in the season were largely juiced by an insane shooting percentage.

Then make a move to get better. They didn't. They got worse. If your center depth isn't good then get centers. Colorado has rebuilt their entire center position in a day.

It was already a wasteful year for them when they lost Pesce, Skjei, Tuevo, and Guentzel.

This was always a transitional year for the Canes.

But isn't that the same GM's fault? Overall this year he set the team back with bad moves. Again maybe the owner is cheap but it was pretty much a one step forward 2 step back year.

 

[Gurglesons]

Then make a move to get better. They didn't. They got worse. If your center depth isn't good then get centers. Colorado has rebuilt their entire center position in a day.

Colorado is all in. Canes aren't.

But isn't that the same GM's fault? Overall this year he set the team back with bad moves. Again maybe the owner is cheap but it was pretty much a one step forward 2 step back year.

No. The Canes are transitioning their group. No problems.

 

[Darren McCord]

Colorado is all in. Canes aren't.



No. The Canes are transitioning their group. No problems.

Meh whatever. We can disagree on this. I still think they have blown it big since the Jake trade. Things have been handle bad.

But I don't like the Canes anyways so it makes me happy

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If you get burned once with trading for Jake and the dude not wanting to sign, that sucks but whatever. You learn from it and move forward. You *have* to go into any potential Rantanen (or similar blockbuster) deal asking to speak to the player/his agent to see if there's genuine interest in a long term deal.

If JR, Hextall, or Dubas got burned twice in the same scenario, we'd rightfully be pissed. It was a mistake by Carolina, imo. It's not gonna kill their team or anything, and I think they recovered after the stumble pretty decently with Stankoven and two 1sts, but Stankoven's not a Necas or Rantanen yet (or maybe ever), and those two 1sts are probably gonna be late picks. But, Carolina's scouting, drafting, and development have been on point so maybe they look back in a few years and it's all fine. Right now though, that's a team that doesn't have the scoring punch to go for a Cup imo. Same old story.

 

[Turin]

I just don’t understand why Carolina did the Rantanen trade if they didn’t want a rental or had no idea whether he would sign or not. Maybe they just really didn’t care for Necas, which is possible.

I don’t think they did bad value wise, Necas and Drury for Stankoven and 2 firsts is fine if not good. But if I’m a Canes fan I’m kinda bothered because unless Stankoven finds his scoring touch they’re definitely not winning this year.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think the Necas-Carolina relationship was irrevocably broken for a long while before he was dealt. Even prior to his most recent re-signing with them. It was only a matter of time before he was dealt.