Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

If that is what Jones is worth uhhh EK should be worth a lot

Now Dallas has one less Dman they can get!

 

[Rudy Russo]

Now Dallas has one less Dman they can get!

EK looks great in green and white.

 

[cygnus47]

Is Seth Jones still garbage (especially at pivoting on the backcheck)? He looked closer to being out of the league than worth even a low 1st a couple years ago.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Is Seth Jones still garbage (especially at pivoting on the backcheck)? He looked closer to being out of the league than worth even a low 1st a couple years ago.

He isn't very good, it's crazy that the Panthers paid that price to acquire him. 5 years left, 30 years old, that deal isn't going to age well in the next year or two IMO

 

[Turin]

Sellers market wow.

Still don’t think Dallas does EK. Maybe Ottawa or Carolina

 

[Turin]

Is Seth Jones still garbage (especially at pivoting on the backcheck)? He looked closer to being out of the league than worth even a low 1st a couple years ago.

Yea.. they’re banking hard that he turns the clock back 5 years.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I think the team is way too cooked for a EP acquisition to even matter. At this point the need 3 top-4 D (EK being the only one here), 2 more top-6 wings, 4 good bottom 6ers and a starting goalie. That's assuming that Sid/Geno can at least maintain their current production for another 1-2 years

I don't know about that. Letang, EK and Pickering are fine. Need a #2 to play LD.

At forward Sids like is fine but Genos is a mess. Add a top F, bring up Koivinun and we've got something. That leaves Bunting - Ponomarev - Tomasino on the 3rd, and enough pieces to make a 4th.

2 players. Top line F and D. Sign one, trade/draft the other. Go take one last run with Sid

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I was watching Real Kipper and BOurne last night and they're talking about how awful Leon's wingers are with the Oil and how they need to get him help. Raks would be a huge upgrade there. We'd prolly have to take Skinner back for the Cap but you might be able to dump TJ on them at 50% retaind in the process.

Pens wouldn't be able to pawn off Jarry to the Oilers. That one is a buyout, it's basically a forgone conclusion at this point..

It would do something like:

Edmonton:
Rakell
Lizotte
Desharnais 50% retained
Wild 3rd

Pittsburgh:
J. Skinner
Henrique
Blues 2nd
Oilers 2nd 2026
Jarventie

 

[Pancakes]

Pens wouldn't be able to pawn off Jarry to the Oilers. That one is a buyout, it's basically a forgone conclusion at this point..

It would do something like:

Edmonton:
Rakell
Lizotte
Desharnais 50% retained
Wild 3rd

Pittsburgh:
J. Skinner
Henrique
Blues 2nd
Oilers 2nd 2026
Jarventie

I honestly wonder what the hell Dubas is going to do about the goaltending next year. Dubas hates buyouts and Jarry is untradeable. Ned also really stinks and has another year on his contract. It's kind of a disaster.

Jarry is particularly problematic because his presence in WBS is blocking Sergei Mursahov from taking one of those two goalie slots and Murashov is more than ready to be in the AHL. Hell that kid might be knocking on the NHL doors before too long.

There's really no excuse to be going into next year with either Ned or Jarry still on the roster or even in the organization for that matter. I get that the Pens are still going to be rebuilding next year but it's not good for anyone here to have them in net lol. Well it's good for our tanking status I guess.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I don't know about that. Letang, EK and Pickering are fine. Need a #2 to play LD.

At forward Sids like is fine but Genos is a mess. Add a top F, bring up Koivinun and we've got something. That leaves Bunting - Ponomarev - Tomasino on the 3rd, and enough pieces to make a 4th.

2 players. Top line F and D. Sign one, trade/draft the other. Go take one last run with Sid

I think you're being too generous with the D imo. Pickering was good but I wouldnt just throw him into a top-4 role through the whole season. Letang is also dropping off hard and is barely even a second pair guy right now. I dont think youre sniffing the playoffs if 2/4 of the top-4 is Pickering-Letang. Pickering could/will grow into that role but hes not there yet. Also asking Koivunen to immediately be a second liner also seems like too much.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Is that dumb Bostonian twat ever going to play Kolyachonok?

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I honestly wonder what the hell Dubas is going to do about the goaltending next year. Dubas hates buyouts and Jarry is untradeable. Ned also really stinks and has another year on his contract. It's kind of a disaster.

Jarry is particularly problematic because his presence in WBS is blocking Sergei Mursahov from taking one of those two goalie slots and Murashov is more than ready to be in the AHL. Hell that kid might be knocking on the NHL doors before too long.

There's really no excuse to be going into next year with either Ned or Jarry still on the roster or even in the organization for that matter. I get that the Pens are still going to be rebuilding next year but it's not good for anyone here to have them in net lol. Well it's good for our tanking status I guess.

He has no choice. Pens and Jarry could mutually agree to terminate the contract but Jarry would be stupid to, it's not his fault he has a f***ed up injury that can't be fixed, I'm not going to go and hate the lad for a contract he didn't force. f*** FSG, I am glad Jarry signed it. f*** them all day mate. I hope that shit burns their ass for years. All the Pens goalies in the NHL look like ass 9 times out of 10. To me personally, I see that as a victim of circumstance vs ability. I don't care if anyone agrees, I'm not asking them to.

In any case. They will need to buy him out. Then they should trade Nedeljkovic in the summer to any team that is willing to take him. Then go with what I wanted them to do this season - Larsson + one the lads, Blom or Murashov.

Hopefully Sullivan's long f***ing gone before camp. Being excited about the first round picks and the future is entirely pointless if that f***ing loser is still the coach after this season.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I hope they don’t get traded until the deadline. It’s always so boring now. Everything always happens a couple weeks before.

I hope it does. So when Yohe wanks to how the Pens went on a run after the deal last year and it doesn't happen this year, he will just try to blame it all on Karlsson.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

You're f***ing psychotic if you're not working the phones hard to try and move Rakell and EK (with retention). Still think an EK deal has to wait until the off season but man, you have to give it a real shot by TDL.

 

[Lust for Life]

f***, not only Rakell and EK, trade pretty much everyone who gets an offer except the big two and I guess freaking Letang.

Re: goalie situation for next year, I really want to see Filip Larsson get a shot. Since we're gonna suck anyway, I'm down to play Larsson and Blomqvist with Murashov starting goalie in the AHL.

 

[Zirakzigil]

People are going to be in for a real big disappointment with Rak. Unless someone blows the door off Dubas is not trading Jake and Rak in back to back deadlines. That seems like a surefire way to annoy Sid.

 

[eXile3]

People are going to be in for a real big disappointment with Rak. Unless someone blows the door off Dubas is not trading Jake and Rak in back to back deadlines. That seems like a surefire way to annoy Sid.

I think most people realize the only players traded will be on expiring contracts.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Can't take advantage of a guy having a career year at 32, in a seller's market, cuz Sid might frown. Gimme a damn break man.

This team deserves to be irrelevant because of dumb, sentimental bullshit like this.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

People are going to be in for a real big disappointment with Rak. Unless someone blows the door off Dubas is not trading Jake and Rak in back to back deadlines. That seems like a surefire way to annoy Sid.

We heard reports of his name being out there, Dubas needs to be aggressive especially considering the guy is having a fantastic season that he probably won't be able to repeat in the next few seasons here.

Use that cash and be aggressive with other UFA's this summer and in other trades of players that are made available.

 

[orby]

I think Rakell and Karlsson are probably gonna be off-season trades.

 

[eXile3]

I think Rakell and Karlsson are probably gonna be off-season trades.

Depends on how much you believe Dubas’ narrative that they’re looking to compete sooner than later.

EK I think Sully would love to get rid of him. The idea EK is ruining Sullys great defensive system may have come from Yohe but I have a feeling someone within the org started that.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

We heard reports of his name being out there, Dubas needs to be aggressive especially considering the guy is having a fantastic season that he probably won't be able to repeat in the next few seasons here.

Use that cash and be aggressive with other UFA's this summer and in other trades of players that are made available.

You are basically suggesting that we trade Rakell, and then turn around and look for another Rakell to replace Rakell. So why not just keep Rakell?

Why does he have to be aggressive with Rakell? Dubas needs to be aggressive with the players other teams may not want, like Beauvillier, Glass, Nedeljkovic, Grz et al.

If everybody wants Rakell (unsure about just how badly they do), then sit back and wait for the offers. But if you are aggressively shopping our best winger, then that is just dumb.

If you could guarantee me that Mitch Marner is coming in July, it would certainly make losing Guentzel and Rakell in back-to-back seasons much more digestable.

Then again, a Rakell-Crosby-Marner line sounds far more interesting to me than Rust-Crosby-Marner. Also, we have been striking out miserably on the free agent market, so that plan may not come to fruition. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and all that.

I think Rakell and Karlsson are probably gonna be off-season trades.

Or not traded at all. In the off-season, things could be radically different for this team. The Rust NMC disappears, and he should go way before the Swedes in my opinion. And then of course there is the whole coaching question. We can turn this thing around pretty quickly with a new man behind the bench. And then you want Rakell and Karlsson around for when it does.

I am not completely against the idea of trading either Swede. But teams have to overpay in a seller's market for our top guys. That means no retention on Karlsson, that means young NHL players or top prospects...OR, if teams are willing to take Jarry or Graves off our hands, then yeah we can talk about it.

But I am not trading Rakell for Trevor Moore and a late first, get off my lawn with that noise. And I am not trading Karlsson for that Seth Jones deal. Awful.


Dubas should be aggressively shopping Grz right now, and trying to find takers for Beauvillier and Glass. Teams are always looking for face-off men, penalty-killers, fourth-line centers, depth scoring wingers, depth defensemen, puck-moving D-men, versatile players et al.

And then there is the goaltending. Keeping Nedeljkovic at this time makes zero sense if you cannot move Jarry. Murashov needs to be promoted, as has been mentioned already. Maybe Florida is now in the market for a goaltender. They have Chris Driedger and rookie Cooper Black down on the farm, and a few other prospects in the pipeline. Bob's contract is done after next season. Same as Ned. Maybe they take Ned to back up Bob for the next two seasons, and then reassess their goaltending? Dubas should definitely inquire with Zito about the state of his goaltending.

Depends on how much you believe Dubas’ narrative that they’re looking to compete sooner than later.

EK I think Sully would love to get rid of him. The idea EK is ruining Sullys great defensive system may have come from Yohe but I have a feeling someone within the org started that.

You mean it's not Kolyachonok that is ruining the system?

 

[chethejet]

I think Karlsson, Rust who fits most teams needing a vet RW with cup experience. Rakell I keep unless an offer is just to good. Pickering will be here next year as will Brunicke and a healthy St Ivany. Pens also have Rutgers, Broz, Ponomarev ready to go next year. Maybe the Finnish LW if he can add more size to play in the NHL. His skill is very good but his size and skating limits him as a top 6 NHL forward. Buth can be improved this off season. Pens have three main issues. Geno is simply not the player he was. But one more year is not a killer. Letang still skates well and one more year is OK. Jarry physically is not capable to play at the level needed. Either LTIR or eat the money in a buyout which Dubas is loath to do. Graves third pairing in a rising cap can be OK. Select a top center and RW in this years draft and rebuild begins in 2026 with Rust traded, Karlsson for a nice package and new head coach.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

You are basically suggesting that we trade Rakell, and then turn around and look for another Rakell to replace Rakell. So why not just keep Rakell?

Why does he have to be aggressive with Rakell? Dubas needs to be aggressive with the players other teams may not want, like Beauvillier, Glass, Nedeljkovic, Grz et al.

If everybody wants Rakell (unsure about just how badly they do), then sit back and wait for the offers. But if you are aggressively shopping our best winger, then that is just dumb.

If you could guarantee me that Mitch Marner is coming in July, it would certainly make losing Guentzel and Rakell in back-to-back seasons much more digestable.

Then again, a Rakell-Crosby-Marner line sounds far more interesting to me than Rust-Crosby-Marner. Also, we have been striking out miserably on the free agent market, so that plan may not come to fruition. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and all that.

What are your expectations with Rakell and our current roster over the next 3 seasons? Do you think it's worth taking the chance that Rakell can have another solid season like this one were his value is probably at the highest? Are you keeping him because you believe we are a playoff team over the next few seasons? We eventually have to give the younger players a shot as well here, McGroarty, Broz, Pono, Koivunen, 2025 pick...

The other players you mentioned which I agree regardless that are priorities to be moved out as they are UFA's to be, aren't bringing you back anything valuable to speed up anything... At best you are getting 4th round picks!! That's why I move Rakell and EK, I want to try to speed things up.

McGroarty-Crosby-Marner

 

[Ulf5]

What are your expectations with Rakell and our current roster over the next 3 seasons? Do you think it's worth taking the chance that Rakell can have another solid season like this one were his value is probably at the highest? Are you keeping him because you believe we are a playoff team over the next few seasons? We eventually have to give the younger players a shot as well here, McGroarty, Broz, Pono, Koivunen, 2025 pick...

The other players you mentioned which I agree regardless that are priorities to be moved out as they are UFA's to be, aren't bringing you back anything valuable to speed up anything... At best you are getting 4th round picks!! That's why I move Rakell and EK, I want to try to speed things up.

McGroarty-Crosby-Marner

You can get valuable assets for Rakell. Haven't looked at the entire ufa list yet. But you should be able to get production similar to Rakell's career average and season best with all the cap space Dubas will have.