Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat

[Zirakzigil]

Glass probably won't even be in the organization next year, let alone being talked about as a 2C replacement for Malkin.

Grzelcyk will assuredly be gone at the deadline and the team has no confidence in Graves. They can let Pickering play the rest of the year in WBS with POJ, Kolya and Heinola as their LD.

I'm not against it necessarily but I think I more question what Heinola provides us that POJ, Graves, Shea, JSI, etc don't. It's not a bad suggestion, I'm just more in the "but why?" phase.

I disagree. I think they retain Glass. We can discuss placement more, obviously, but I don't think they let him go. To take it a step further, I don't think they let him go in-season. If Pono comes in and blows everyone away and they think he's expendable, I think we are looking at an off-season move. By that time, Heinola will be nearly irrelevant to the plans.

I think a middle-aged middle 6 center has more worth than a #7/8. In addition to not wanting to trade a center for a depth dman from a principle standpoint, I think the value is off too purely from a positional standpoint.

Now if we're talking Acciari, go for it. I think there's give and take there that makes sense.

What makes Glass a middle-6 center? He has 13 points in 44 games this year (which is basically identical to what he produced last year) and has a career pace of 30 points per 82 games. He's a fringe 3C/4C, which is why he's redundant with Ponomarev (and Broz, for that matter) coming up and Lizotte already on the roster.

The point of the swap would be trading from a position of strength (young bottom-6 centers) for a position of weakness (young NHL ready LD). Which you can argue this trade doesn't necessarily fit, but I'd pretty firmly disagree. They have Glass, Lizotte, Ponomarev, Broz and Poulin as viable young bottom-6 centers (either now or in the future) and only Kolya and Pickering as young NHL ready LD.

Glass isn't a problem or anything. But he's kinda... not very good at all. The idea of him as a middle six center even on this trash heap of a team is pretty gross.

He's a good PKer and does OK on the forecheck I guess? I dunno most nights he seems like one of these guys that sorta just... exists... out there.

Yeah I don't dislike Glass, but he's a bland bottom-6 center that's probably a 4C on a good team. I think his role can definitely be filled by Lizotte and probably filled with Ponomarev and possibly Poulin too.

That's why the Glass for Heinola swap makes the most sense to me. They have far more passable young bottom-6 centers than they have passable young NHL LD.

I don't know, I'm not really seeing it with Pono. But I am happy with giving him a shot. Prove me wrong.

Heck, I'd re-sign Glass for cheap too.

Whatever. What do I care.

I have this same thought with Ponomarev but I'm waiting for a larger sample size before I rush to judgement.

I like Glass for his fit as a RH center. Yes I am partial to RH centers and like the O'Brien center in the draft at say 9th. Depending on what Karlsson returns and I prefer Rust heading out. Pens can't do an offer sheet if it includes a second this year. So, if I am Dubas I get a RW back for Karlsson and a nice pick. Add in the Petts pick and potential pick for rust and Dubas now has more ammunition to go after a younger winger.

Benning Sid Rakell
WB Geno Trade
Rutgers M Broz Tomasino
Pono Glass Acciari
Lizette

Noah Dobson might be on his way out of Long Island, just swapped agents to the same group that represents McDavid, Matthews, Werenski and Josi so I'm assuming he's gearing up for a RFA contract Lou's gonna hate.

Wonder if he's worth pursuing. Just turned 25. Kinda sucks shit defensively though apparently he's improved there a bit this season, and has shown he's capable of some impressive numbers from the blueline. Might be a good long term option if/when they deal EK.

I don't think we have a single thing that would interest the Islanders. Not unless we're giving away 1st round picks again.

He seems to be really good at possessing the puck and making one good offensive play that makes you think he could be something every 5 games.

Glass as the penguins future second line centerman!

For a young player like Dobson they would.

Dobson is 25. Giving away a top ten 1st for him doesn’t make much sense to me. Especially if we have Letang and EK.

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[Coffee]

Rakell for Cozens?

 

[Turin]

Probably gonna be a lot more interest in Karlsson and Rakell if they keep playing like that. Karlsson was the best defenseman on the ice and Rakell was Swedens second best fwd after Raymond.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Rakell for Cozens?

Probably on his NTC list and I dont see why either team does it. Raks is the better player currently.

 

[Ulf5]

Confirmed. We got Marner!

And Marner, also usually not loved in Montreal because he plays for the rival Toronto Maple Leafs, got to bask in cheers -- and the fact that his childhood idol set up the biggest goal of his career.
"You tell 13-year-old Mitch that he scored an overtime goal assisted by Sidney Crosby, the guy he looked up to since day one, it's pretty crazy," Marner said. "I really just tried to enjoy the moment after. The building was rocking, and it was nice to have them cheering for me instead of against me."

Canada tops Sweden in thrilling 4 Nations opener

Nathan MacKinnon scored on the power play 56 seconds in off a no-look pass from Sidney Crosby, Mitch Marner got the overtime winner after Sweden rallied to tie it and Canada opened the 4 Nations Face-Off with a thrilling 4-3 victory on Wednesday night.

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[Zirakzigil]

Confirmed. We got Marner!

And Marner, also usually not loved in Montreal because he plays for the rival Toronto Maple Leafs, got to bask in cheers -- and the fact that his childhood idol set up the biggest goal of his career.
"You tell 13-year-old Mitch that he scored an overtime goal assisted by Sidney Crosby, the guy he looked up to since day one, it's pretty crazy," Marner said. "I really just tried to enjoy the moment after. The building was rocking, and it was nice to have them cheering for me instead of against me."

Canada tops Sweden in thrilling 4 Nations opener

Nathan MacKinnon scored on the power play 56 seconds in off a no-look pass from Sidney Crosby, Mitch Marner got the overtime winner after Sweden rallied to tie it and Canada opened the 4 Nations Face-Off with a thrilling 4-3 victory on Wednesday night.

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14x7 get it done Dubas!

 

[Empoleon8771]

I still think the chances of the Penguins pulling off Marner are non-zero. Very unlikely but I still think they could make a compelling case based on money (especially relative to Toronto), proximity to home and a fairly mild media market.

Back to trade speculation, but TFP is linking Grzelcyk to Tampa Bay, Winnipeg and Colorado. I think those teams all make a lot of sense, especially Colorado. I think Grzelcyk fits their play style very well and their current D depth is horrendous. Their current bottom pair is de Hann-Malinski and their injury replacements (Kylington, Middleton and Ludvig) are all bad too. They also have $4.76 million in cap space, so they can afford Gryzelcyk.

The only catch is that they have no 3rds for the next 3 years, which is where I figure Grzelcyk's value would be. They do have 2 4ths though, which I think would be a reasonable alternative to a 3rd.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I still think the chances of the Penguins pulling off Marner are non-zero. Very unlikely but I still think they could make a compelling case based on money (especially relative to Toronto), proximity to home and a fairly mild media market.

I don’t hate our chances if he got to UFA but I just don’t think he’s getting to UFA.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

I still think the chances of the Penguins pulling off Marner are non-zero. Very unlikely but I still think they could make a compelling case based on money (especially relative to Toronto), proximity to home and a fairly mild media market.

Back to trade speculation, but TFP is linking Grzelcyk to Tampa Bay, Winnipeg and Colorado. I think those teams all make a lot of sense, especially Colorado. I think Grzelcyk fits their play style very well and their current D depth is horrendous. Their current bottom pair is de Hann-Malinski and their injury replacements (Kylington, Middleton and Ludvig) are all bad too. They also have $4.76 million in cap space, so they can afford Gryzelcyk.

The only catch is that they have no 3rds for the next 3 years, which is where I figure Grzelcyk's value would be. They do have 2 4ths though, which I think would be a reasonable alternative to a 3rd.

Honestly, I really wouldn't rule out Marner coming here. I think there is a strong possibility to be honest. Last year in the playoffs there was that incident with Nylander and Matthews, I mean let's face it, a guy of that caliber would and should have been extended by now. Crosby, Dubas connections, much more money to play with and we want to remain competitive, it all makes sense..

 

[Duffy13]

This team makes no sense for Marner. no top end prospects, playing with Crosby for 2 years then 5 more years of nothing, yet. The Pens need to have a top end prospect to entice guys like this to play here beyond the Crosby Malkin years, so this years draft pick has to knock it out of the park to bring in guys like him. If he truly wanted this type of role then Chicago, Anaheim, San Jose or Columbus would be a much better fit for him. We are 2 years away from having the potential to sign elite players by being able to promise them a future of success here, but it all hinges on the next 2 drafts, firing sully hiring a full time GM. This team is half assing everything right now, until a new coaching staff and a dedicated GM come into play.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

This team makes no sense for Marner. no top end prospects, playing with Crosby for 2 years then 5 more years of nothing, yet. The Pens need to have a top end prospect to entice guys like this to play here beyond the Crosby Malkin years, so this years draft pick has to knock it out of the park to bring in guys like him. If he truly wanted this type of role then Chicago, Anaheim, San Jose or Columbus would be a much better fit for him. We are 2 years away from having the potential to sign elite players by being able to promise them a future of success here, but it all hinges on the next 2 drafts, firing sully hiring a full time GM. This team is half assing everything right now, until a new coaching staff and a dedicated GM come into play.

We can throw $$$$ at him and there’s the Dubas/Spezza collection. No one is saying it’s a slam dunk (esp with cap jumping so much, more bidders) but I’d imagine he’d take our call and listen.

I’d be shocked if he’s not a Leaf though.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

This team makes no sense for Marner. no top end prospects, playing with Crosby for 2 years then 5 more years of nothing, yet. The Pens need to have a top end prospect to entice guys like this to play here beyond the Crosby Malkin years, so this years draft pick has to knock it out of the park to bring in guys like him. If he truly wanted this type of role then Chicago, Anaheim, San Jose or Columbus would be a much better fit for him. We are 2 years away from having the potential to sign elite players by being able to promise them a future of success here, but it all hinges on the next 2 drafts, firing sully hiring a full time GM. This team is half assing everything right now, until a new coaching staff and a dedicated GM come into play.

That's why you sign both Raantanen and Marner.

Get a little bit creative with that deferred salary stuff.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

That's why you sign both Raantanen and Marner.

Get a little bit creative with that deferred salary stuff.

After trading for EP40 and Dobson

 

[pistolpete11]

Honestly, I really wouldn't rule out Marner coming here. I think there is a strong possibility to be honest. Last year in the playoffs there was that incident with Nylander and Matthews, I mean let's face it, a guy of that caliber would and should have been extended by now. Crosby, Dubas connections, much more money to play with and we want to remain competitive, it all makes sense..

Stamkos signed with the Lightning on June 29th in 2016.

Maybe a little bit different where they were in their careers at the time, but Letang signed after the season and Malkin signed hours before FA started. Same with Rust. Ovechkin might have signed even after FA started.

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, too, but point being....the "if it's going to happen, it would have happened by now" line of thinking needs to die. It's been proven wrong a million times. Until there are reports that Marner WILL test FA, it remains a pipe dream and even then it's a long shot he signs with the Pens. None zero, maybe, but a long shot.

Sorry, end of rant, but that's one of my pet peeves.

 

[Duffy13]

I guess, it's been so long since we had full rebuilds I kind of naturally assumed they would do so through the draft first then free agency second... for my own enjoyment though... please fire this f***ing coach!!!

 

[Empoleon8771]

This team makes no sense for Marner. no top end prospects, playing with Crosby for 2 years then 5 more years of nothing, yet. The Pens need to have a top end prospect to entice guys like this to play here beyond the Crosby Malkin years, so this years draft pick has to knock it out of the park to bring in guys like him. If he truly wanted this type of role then Chicago, Anaheim, San Jose or Columbus would be a much better fit for him. We are 2 years away from having the potential to sign elite players by being able to promise them a future of success here, but it all hinges on the next 2 drafts, firing sully hiring a full time GM. This team is half assing everything right now, until a new coaching staff and a dedicated GM come into play.

I don't think we know that Crosby is retiring in 2 years, we all thought he was retiring after his current deal was done and that didn't end up the case. Hell, I don't even know if Crosby knows whether he'll be retiring in 2 years.

I think people overstate the need for success that players have. You constantly see bad teams giving out long-term deals based on things outside of winning cups. If the Penguins offer Marner the most money and he likes something specific about Pittsburgh (like proximity to home or a mild market), that could absolutely be enough to get him to sign. It's unlikely but I think people are overstating that factor.

Also I know JR had this strategy as well, but when he was the GM, his plan for "rebuilding" was to use UFA to basically restock the team with prime aged talent once the current core aged out. I think Dubas can do something similar, but he'd have to hit on 2 or 3 guys like Marner in FA to do that. That said, get the first one and the next 2 become easier.

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

Honestly, I really wouldn't rule out Marner coming here. I think there is a strong possibility to be honest. Last year in the playoffs there was that incident with Nylander and Matthews, I mean let's face it, a guy of that caliber would and should have been extended by now. Crosby, Dubas connections, much more money to play with and we want to remain competitive, it all makes sense..

I'd love Mitch Marner here. Dump EK, and use those $$$ for Marner. Get it done Dubas!

Seriously...
Washington retooled with a handful of players. You don't need an entire new roster of superstars to become competitive. A few well placed moves does it.

 

[Ulf5]

This team makes no sense for Marner. no top end prospects, playing with Crosby for 2 years then 5 more years of nothing, yet. The Pens need to have a top end prospect to entice guys like this to play here beyond the Crosby Malkin years, so this years draft pick has to knock it out of the park to bring in guys like him. If he truly wanted this type of role then Chicago, Anaheim, San Jose or Columbus would be a much better fit for him. We are 2 years away from having the potential to sign elite players by being able to promise them a future of success here, but it all hinges on the next 2 drafts, firing sully hiring a full time GM. This team is half assing everything right now, until a new coaching staff and a dedicated GM come into play.

So a 2 year max contract to match Crosby's. Gets to play 2 years with his childhood idol. Cap should rise again for at least the 3rd year. Still 29 and young enough to cash in longer term.

 

[SEALBound]

Back to trade speculation, but TFP is linking Grzelcyk to Tampa Bay, Winnipeg and Colorado. I think those teams all make a lot of sense, especially Colorado. I think Grzelcyk fits their play style very well and their current D depth is horrendous. Their current bottom pair is de Hann-Malinski and their injury replacements (Kylington, Middleton and Ludvig) are all bad too. They also have $4.76 million in cap space, so they can afford Gryzelcyk.

The only catch is that they have no 3rds for the next 3 years, which is where I figure Grzelcyk's value would be. They do have 2 4ths though, which I think would be a reasonable alternative to a 3rd.

A 3rd is the correct value and I'd be happy with that. I don't disagree that 2 4ths would be similar but man I would be a bit underwhelmed by that. I don't think they use their 2 2nds. You just look at their roster, pick selection, and prospect pool and man is it slim pickings. I wonder if we could do something like Gryz+Nieto for Parssinen+4th. Parsy is only getting <10min/game and is producing worse than he was in Nashville.

Tampa and Winnipeg are much easier to deal with. They both have 3rds available (Tampa in 26, Win in both 25 and 26) so a deal there is pretty easy. Wonder if Winnipeg would entertain a straight swap for Heinola?

I don't think we know that Crosby is retiring in 2 years, we all thought he was retiring after his current deal was done and that didn't end up the case. Hell, I don't even know if Crosby knows whether he'll be retiring in 2 years.

I think people overstate the need for success that players have. You constantly see bad teams giving out long-term deals based on things outside of winning cups. If the Penguins offer Marner the most money and he likes something specific about Pittsburgh (like proximity to home or a mild market), that could absolutely be enough to get him to sign. It's unlikely but I think people are overstating that factor.

Also I know JR had this strategy as well, but when he was the GM, his plan for "rebuilding" was to use UFA to basically restock the team with prime aged talent once the current core aged out. I think Dubas can do something similar, but he'd have to hit on 2 or 3 guys like Marner in FA to do that. That said, get the first one and the next 2 become easier.

The Marner talk is fun but I don't see Toronto lets him go. That would be too devastating to their roster. You tell JT to F the F off and you give that new found money to Marner.

I imagine after the 2 year extension, Sid will take it year by year after that. I think in his presser after the extension, he said something like "it's hard to know how you'll feel each day 2-3 years down the road" and that he didn't want to be a contractual burden if his play drops off. So I'm guessing he'll look at things in the 2027 off-season and go from there. Likely a 1yr at $3mil or something (similar to what Bergeron did).

I think by then we should have an idea of where the team is. Tell ya what, you get 1 or more of Misa, McKenna, DuPont on the team and I imagine Sid re-ups pretty quick. No different than Mario playing with Sid. If the out look is McGroarty-Broz-Puustinen as your top line and Dubas has shipped out Rakell and Rust, he might opt for retirement.

 

[Ugene Magic]

That's why you sign both Raantanen and Marner.

Get a little bit creative with that deferred salary stuff.

Deferred salary? You mean the upfront bonuses that will require them to give to land them and not look at their dire strait's future?

 

[Turin]

A 3rd is the correct value and I'd be happy with that. I don't disagree that 2 4ths would be similar but man I would be a bit underwhelmed by that. I don't think they use their 2 2nds. You just look at their roster, pick selection, and prospect pool and man is it slim pickings. I wonder if we could do something like Gryz+Nieto for Parssinen+4th. Parsy is only getting <10min/game and is producing worse than he was in Nashville.

Tampa and Winnipeg are much easier to deal with. They both have 3rds available (Tampa in 26, Win in both 25 and 26) so a deal there is pretty easy. Wonder if Winnipeg would entertain a straight swap for Heinola?

The Marner talk is fun but I don't see Toronto lets him go. That would be too devastating to their roster. You tell JT to F the F off and you give that new found money to Marner.

I imagine after the 2 year extension, Sid will take it year by year after that. I think in his presser after the extension, he said something like "it's hard to know how you'll feel each day 2-3 years down the road" and that he didn't want to be a contractual burden if his play drops off. So I'm guessing he'll look at things in the 2027 off-season and go from there. Likely a 1yr at $3mil or something (similar to what Bergeron did).

I think by then we should have an idea of where the team is. Tell ya what, you get 1 or more of Misa, McKenna, DuPont on the team and I imagine Sid re-ups pretty quick. No different than Mario playing with Sid. If the out look is McGroarty-Broz-Puustinen as your top line and Dubas has shipped out Rakell and Rust, he might opt for retirement.

I think there’s a very real possibility that Marner does not want to play in Toronto again if they lose in the first two rounds.

 

[Khelandros]

I'd love Mitch Marner here. Dump EK, and use those $$$ for Marner. Get it done Dubas!

Seriously...
Washington retooled with a handful of players. You don't need an entire new roster of superstars to become competitive. A few well placed moves does it.

Dubas has $23MM in cap space next season, Karlsson doesn't need to be moved.

 

[SEALBound]

I think there’s a very real possibility that Marner does not want to play in Toronto again if they lose in the first two rounds.

So he's going to sign in Pittsburgh for that shot at the cup?

 

[Turin]

So he's going to sign in Pittsburgh for that shot at the cup?

No, if he leaves he’ll go for a change of scenery where he won’t be blamed for the teams yearly failures every week in the papers and on the radio. This is why he hasn’t signed already, I don’t think it’s a committed relationship at this point.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

So he's going to sign in Pittsburgh for that shot at the cup?

Probably still better than Toronto's chances!!!