Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXV - Poolman and Poolparty?!?

[IcedCapp]

too bad it's 2025 and not 2026. If this was a year later we could just get the 1OA and go right back into win now mode!

Well, he’s Dubas.

what win now moves has he made since EK?

 

[pistolpete11]

what win now moves has he made since EK?

Waived Jarry

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Dubi should be calling OTT every day looking to send them EK back.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Because their value is more likely to decline due to being older than rise due to having less commitment.

This is especially true with Rakell, they'd be silly to not jump on a trade right now.

Depends on the offer.

The Penguins should probably tank as hard as they can this year. If that results in us moving out players like EK65 to take advantage of the Heiskanen injury you do it.

Again, I'd say it depends on the offer.

 

[Gurglesons]

what win now moves has he made since EK?

Didn’t have much cap space last year. He potentially has 30+ mil next year and Sid barking in his ear.

 

[Pancakes]

too bad it's 2025 and not 2026. If this was a year later we could just get the 1OA and go right back into win now mode!


what win now moves has he made since EK?

There is something incredibly funny to me about the Pens being poised to be the worst team in the league soon and it just happens to coincide with two more incredible players being available in the draft.

Like who is going to be worse than us next year? San Jose might continue to be horrible but they also have some big time prospects that could take a jump to make them better next year. Chicago I think is going to go all-in this off season on trying to make a competitive team next year. Bedard is already tired of the losing so Chicago isn't going to sit on their hands and do nothing.

Buffalo stinks but they have way more good young talent than us.

Maybe Nashville and Seattle are bad again next year. Neither team is loaded with young talent. But Trotz also hates losing and might try to aggressively re-tool.

Then there's the Penguins. We're already old and bad. We're going to be even older next year. We have no prospects poised to make a big impact next season. Unless our stars turn back the clock and have gigantic years next year and/or we get insanely good goaltending there's a case to be made that the Pens could be the very worst team next year. Legitimately. I don't see a lot of paths towards quick improvement. We could be a real f-ing horror show next year.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Depends on the offer.

I seriously doubt you'll be getting a better offer in the future than now with Rakell, considering how much he's producing.

 

[Turin]

There is something incredibly funny to me about the Pens being poised to be the worst team in the league soon and it just happens to coincide with two more incredible players being available in the draft.

Like who is going to be worse than us next year? San Jose might continue to be horrible but they also have some big time prospects that could take a jump to make them better next year. Chicago I think is going to go all-in this off season on trying to make a competitive team next year. Bedard is already tired of the losing so Chicago isn't going to sit on their hands and do nothing.

Buffalo stinks but they have way more good young talent than us.

Maybe Nashville and Seattle are bad again next year. Neither team is loaded with young talent. But Trotz also hates losing and might try to aggressively re-tool.

Then there's the Penguins. We're already old and bad. We're going to be even older next year. We have no prospects poised to make a big impact next season. Unless our stars turn back the clock and have gigantic years next year and/or we get insanely good goaltending there's a case to be made that the Pens could be the very worst team next year. Legitimately. I don't see a lot of paths towards quick improvement. We could be a real f-ing horror show next year.

Hell, let’s get Sid to take up baseball for a year next season.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I don't even know that they need to "tank", but what's the point of holding onto these guys? What good is having Karlsson if your team is ass? The team is fully in a state where it should be rebuilding, holding onto any sort of luxury that you can get value for doesn't make sense.

That's actually why I'm supportive of just loading up L1 with Malkin-Crosby-Rust and running with that until Malkin retires. It gives Crosby and Malkin the best chance to produce as much as possible and you can just obliterate the rest of the roster outside of that.

Because there's a cap floor you need to make. This and a higher one next year.

 

[Sideline]

Because there's a cap floor you need to make. This and a higher on next year.

The cap floor is not a serious constraint. There will always Kevin Hayes types you can get paid draft picks to take.

 

[The Old Master]

Then there's the Penguins. We're already old and bad. We're going to be even older next year. We have no prospects poised to make a big impact next season. Unless our stars turn back the clock and have gigantic years next year and/or we get insanely good goaltending there's a case to be made that the Pens could be the very worst team next year. Legitimately. I don't see a lot of paths towards quick improvement. We could be a real f-ing horror show next year.

we could fire the coach.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Karlsson at $7 million to Dallas for Dumba and a 2025 1st
Pettersson to Edmonton for Akey and a 2025 2nd
Rakell to Buffalo for Rosen and a 2025 2nd

Sets them up with likely 3 picks in the top-50 in addition to their own 1st, plus getting 2 pretty solid Koivunen caliber prospects in the system with Akey and Rosen. Run with a Malkin-Crosby-Rust L1 so those guys can put up points and let the rest of the lineup be young guys and whatever other shit you have left.

I'd be curious if forcefeeding Hayes 2C minutes could let him produce enough for teams to forget that he can't skate. He does have 8 goals in 35 games this year, so maybe he could hit 20 goals playing as a 2C.

I'd do all of these in a heartbeat

 

[Pancakes]

we could fire the coach.

I'm more likely to wake up tomorrow with millions of dollars and a hot broad in my bed than I am to see the Pens fire Sully

 

[The Old Master]

I'm more likely to wake up tomorrow with millions of dollars and a hot broad in my bed than I am to see the Pens fire Sully

at this time, I think that's a good thing.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Because there's a cap floor you need to make. This and a higher one next year.

You can easily hit the cap floor by taking picks for bad contracts and signing 1 year UFA deals.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Regardless of what Dubas wants, I just can't see teams wanting to trade for 3 more years of Rakell or two more years of EK during the middle of the season. Trades like that seem alot easier to make during the summer

 

[Ugene Magic]

The cap floor is not a serious constraint. There will always Kevin Hayes types you can get paid draft picks to take.

How many Kevin Hayes are we talking here? You do realize how many it would take at 3.5, which brings up the other issue of not having room to ice your prospects.

If the cap goes up to 97.0 that's a 71.3 or whatever it is for them to keep above.

You guys are talking going scorched earth removing guys.

It's not as easy as just saying it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

How many Kevin Hayes are we talking here? You do realize how many it would take at 3.5, which brings up the other issue of not having room to ice your prospects.

If the cap goes up to 97.0 that's a 71.3 or whatever it is for them to keep above.

You guys are talking going scorched earth removing guys.

It's not as easy as just saying it.

This is such a silly concern to have. It is superbly easy to hit the cap floor especially when you have Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Rust (let's be real he's not moving) combining for $26 million. Not only that, they're going to have cap penalties from retaining on Karlsson and whatever they do with Jarry.

You could trade Rakell and Bunting with no retention and Karlsson with $4 million in retention right now and still be entirely fine with the cap floor. You'd be at about $45 million with 6 F, 2 D and 3 goalies.

 

[SomeDude]

How many Kevin Hayes are we talking here? You do realize how many it would take at 3.5, which brings up the other issue of not having room to ice your prospects.

If the cap goes up to 97.0 that's a 71.3 or whatever it is for them to keep above.

You guys are talking going scorched earth removing guys.

It's not as easy as just saying it.

Looks like Bryan Rust is getting 15x4 in 2 years, then.

 

[Khelandros]

The cap floor is not a serious constraint. There will always Kevin Hayes types you can get paid draft picks to take.

Then you end up with a team that pretty much looks exactly the same as the current one.

 

[IcedCapp]

There is something incredibly funny to me about the Pens being poised to be the worst team in the league soon and it just happens to coincide with two more incredible players being available in the draft.

Like who is going to be worse than us next year? San Jose might continue to be horrible but they also have some big time prospects that could take a jump to make them better next year. Chicago I think is going to go all-in this off season on trying to make a competitive team next year. Bedard is already tired of the losing so Chicago isn't going to sit on their hands and do nothing.

Buffalo stinks but they have way more good young talent than us.

Maybe Nashville and Seattle are bad again next year. Neither team is loaded with young talent. But Trotz also hates losing and might try to aggressively re-tool.

Then there's the Penguins. We're already old and bad. We're going to be even older next year. We have no prospects poised to make a big impact next season. Unless our stars turn back the clock and have gigantic years next year and/or we get insanely good goaltending there's a case to be made that the Pens could be the very worst team next year. Legitimately. I don't see a lot of paths towards quick improvement. We could be a real f-ing horror show next year.

It’s gonna be great. Maybe we’ll get the #1 overall for the first draft of the new commissioner, too, so the conspiracy theories will continue on for another 20+ years.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Then you end up with a team that pretty much looks exactly the same as the current one.

Yeah that's the point. Sell off players who have value for futures, bring in shitty cap dumps for more futures and tank.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Looking at Puckpedia, just a few things you can do to help with hitting the cap floor if it's such a problem:

1. Trade for any highly expensive LTIR contract and put them on IR rather than LTIR, meaning the cap hit still applies.. This is exactly what Utah is doing right now with Weber. The Penguins could do this with someone like Price next off-season and add his $10.5 million cap hit and $2 million base salary after his signing bonus.
2. Taking on picks to take on someone like Zibanejad, Gallagher or Krug.
3. Using a retention slot on an expensive player and getting paid to do so.

It's painfully easy to hit the cap floor, to the point where it's bizarre that it's even being brought up as an argument.

Speaking of "hitting the cap floor", would you do this 3-way trade:

Penguins get Zibanejad and NYR's lottery protected 1st
Rangers get Miller and Glass
Canucks get Chytil and Pettersson

From the Penguins side, it's Pettersson and Glass for Zibanejad and NYR's 1st. The Rangers are just sending Pettersson and Chytil to the Canucks for Miller.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I kinda want ‘26 and ‘27 picks over 2025 picks..

 

[PensFutures]

I kinda want ‘26 and ‘27 picks over 2025 picks..

Kyle, is that you?