Player Discussion What should the Canucks do with Miller and Pettersson?

[Vancouver_2010]

Trade neither if the Canucks wants to contend, put Miller/Pettersson on the first line, depends on who is performing better. The loser plays on the third line, until he outplayed the other player.

 

[Another Empty Netter]

Put these 2 players with a few other players in a reality show type mansion and roll the film. Rotate out players except 40 & 9

 

[VanJack]

Miller has a full-no-trade contract and can pick wherever team he goes to. And Pettersson makes $11.7m a season and is badly underperforming his contract.

Neither guy is going anywhere imo, unless Rutherford and Allvin are willing to get absolutely scalped in any deal.

Rutherford has suggested that the Miller-Pettersson breakdown shouldn't impact the team on the ice. Is he whistling past the graveyard? Possibly. But maybe he's right.

Back in the day, when Billy Martin managed the Yankees, everybody seem to hate everybody in the dressing room. And the owner George Steinbrenner disrespected his manager and just about everybody in the entire organization. And I'm sure there are other examples of teams that loathed each other, but went out on the field or on the ice and parked it enough to win.

The only shame is that one of the best seasons by a single player in franchise history--Quinn Hughes--is being overshadowed by this soap opera.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

I voted trade Pettersson but only because his NMC hasn't kicked in yet and I don't think he will ever live up to that contract. Trade now while he has value and we don't have to retain as much. Still very open to keeping him, as well as trading Miller if the price is right. Management has totally messed this whole situation up. Best case scenario we get our shit together and get on a bit of a heater and sweep this all under the rug (I don't think it will happen but I remain optimistic).

 

[AzNightmare]

Unfortunately I don't see a way Canucks can be a legit contender either way.
Miller needs to go. EP can stay, but he's mentally too weak (and maybe physically too) to be the 1C that will lead the charge through playoffs when it gets tough.

Trade Miller or trade both, either way sets the team back at least a full season to find ways to replace the holes, never mind actually improving the team.
This team is doomed with this core. Maybe Petey will have another 100 pt season and disappear in the playoffs or have another bad season after a good one. It's becoming too predictable that this is just who he is. In the grand scheme, I kind of expect him to put up 4 elite seasons out of the 8 he signed for. So if the team keeps him, go in with that expectation.

 

[kingsfan2012]

Kings would take Petterson or Miller.

Not sure what the Canucks would want though?

 

[Dirtyclapper]

Kings would take Petterson or Miller.

Not sure what the Canucks would want though?

How the mighty have fallen

 

[kingsfan2012]

How the mighty have fallen

The Kings haven’t been mighty since the Cup wins.

Treadmill team that can’t score and is a perennial first round exit

 

[Coffee]

Kings would take Petterson or Miller.

Not sure what the Canucks would want though?

Every King must fall

 

[lawrence]

Miller is just gonna clash with others in the future. So I’m ok with trading him.

 

[tantalum]

Winning can certainly ease the tension but guys like Miller are just exhausting to be around. It gets to the point that the tension doesn't get eased nearly as much even with winning.

The most recent example would be the Jets room a few seasons ago. It happens and at some point you need to deal with it and the "difficult" player will be the one moved. That seems to be Miller.

 

[JT Milker]

Trade Miller asap for best reasonable offer, enough is enough.

Monitor Pettersson for the remainder of the season and fully understand his issues (knee? Mental?) and whatever went on last summer. If you decide he won’t get back to the player he can be, trade in the offseason before his NMC kicks in. This would probably be the worst possible outcome.

 

[kingsfan2012]

Every King must fall

You woke up as Quite the philosopher this morning

 

[ChilliBilly]

Voted the popular one. However I prefer trading Miller at such time as a decent offer is made that both the Canucks and Miller can and will accept. Screw taking a lowball offer just get this done.

 

[supercanuck]

Trade management/coaching. This thing doesn't snowball without their ineptitude.

If we overlook the fact that they should have nipped this in the butt ages ago, just the way this season was handled has really destroyed whatever chances they had of fixing things.

• Knowing everything they knew, asking JT to "toughen up" EP may be the absolute dumbest thing...ever!
• Zero glue guys or leaders brought in to replace Schenn/Cole/Pearson types
• "Leave of absence" instead of just saying he was injured really put the feud into the forefront
• Allvin/Rutherford interviews
• That whole separate PP stunt by Tocc

 

[BimJenning]

I voted trade Miller in the off-season, but it's also because we're getting garbage offers for both. This season is already shot. Unless it's entirely toxic in the change room, in which case, jettison Miller into the sun.

This doesn't leave Pettersson without blame, and still leaves him open to movement before his clauses kick in. Neither have handled this well, but I think Miller rubs more people the wrong way over time, and he's just older.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

would really love to see tocchet let his inner chiklis back out

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Trade management/coaching. This thing doesn't snowball without their ineptitude.

If we overlook the fact that they should have nipped this in the butt ages ago, just the way this season was handled has really destroyed whatever chances they had of fixing things.

• Knowing everything they knew, asking JT to "toughen up" EP may be the absolute dumbest thing...ever!

What was the source for this? I refuse to believe it was true... but was there a legit source?

• Zero glue guys or leaders brought in to replace Schenn/Cole/Pearson types
• "Leave of absence" instead of just saying he was injured really put the feud into the forefront

Their PR is dumpsterfire level bad...

• Allvin/Rutherford interviews
• That whole separate PP stunt by Tocc

 

[tradervik]

Shackle them together with an iron chain and turn them loose in the wilderness.

 

[supercanuck]

What was the source for this? I refuse to believe it was true... but was there a legit source?

Their PR is dumpsterfire level bad...

It was all over the news after the practice incident. This article says it came from 32 thoughts podcast.

Push to 'Toughen Up' Elias Pettersson Creates Issues for Canucks

The Vancouver Canucks have taken an unusual approach to “toughen up” star player Elias Pettersson, sparking questions on whether their tactics are bordering on good for the superstar or bullying.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[Lenny Levino]

I've heard from a secret source that the conflict is really about a love triangle drama. Apparently, both Petey and JT are in love with Boeser. The relationship between EP and JT went South last year after JT started hitting on Brock.

 

[pitseleh]

I still think step one is acquiring as LS defenceman, -ssuming this is not a something has to give ASAP situation, which the team does not appear to be treating it as. Even if doing so doesn’t resolve the situation, it should help resuscitate the value of both players. Then reevaluate in the offseason with the benefit of an extra ~30 games.

 

[F A N]

It's hard to choose a voting option. I don't think the Canucks should trade any player for a bad deal so the timing of the deal isn't important to me except that it should be done before the start of training camp.

I prefer that the Canucks choose who they want to keep and stick with it. Even though it worked out in the end, I don't like shopping Luongo around and then trading Schneider because the offer was better. Of course at the end of the day it's making the team better. If the preference is to keep Petey but the offer for Petey is overhelmingly advantageous then ya you consider that. I would expect a deal for Petey to generate a greater return.

Overall, I'm in the keep Petey camp due to his age alone. It's a huge gamble given Petey's struggles but that's how I would play it.

 

[Jerry the great]

I still think step one is acquiring as LS defenceman, -ssuming this is not a something has to give ASAP situation, which the team does not appear to be treating it as. Even if doing so doesn’t resolve the situation, it should help resuscitate the value of both players. Then reevaluate in the offseason with the benefit of an extra ~30 games.

I was there until the Hughes Myers became a thing and Forbort Hronek looked doable. Now i want to see a few games of EP25 with Soucy (uggg) to see how close he might be (skating is absolutely there IMO).

Who are you taking out if a LHD is brought in?

 

[pitseleh]

I was there until the Hughes Myers became a thing and Forbort Hronek looked doable. Now i want to see a few games of EP25 with Soucy (uggg) to see how close he might be (skating is absolutely there IMO).

Who are you taking out if a LHD is brought in?

I’d be ok giving it a shot a bit longer but not sure how happy the coaching staff would be playing a lefty on his offside as a full time solution.

I’m also not convinced Hronek is a strong enough puck mover to carry the full load on his pair with someone as weak as Forbort - he works well with Hughes in part because he can just worry about everything else. My view has always been they should find the best two-way LS defender they can to play tough minutes with Hronek then give Hughes free rein with someone like Myers against softer competition.

Soucy deserves to sit based on play, though I expect in practice he’d split sitting with Forbert. The right side would still be weak but I’d be surprised if Willander wasn’t on the third pairing come the spring.