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Turin said:
Granlund was really tanking in Nashville too.
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Yeah, but I also wouldn’t call Nashville well-coached either. My larger point isn’t even that Granlund is good, it’s just that these kinds of players are really dependent on the team and situation to produce. So you need to use those kinds of players properly for them to have any benefit at all.
 
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HandshakeLine said:
Like the players or not, if they leave the Pens and immediately rebound, that is on the coach.
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I 100% agree Sullivan shares some of the blame here, but Hextall was mainly at fault. They needed a 3C capable of playing with heavy defensive usage and he went out and got Granlund :help: Sullivan's stubbornness prevented him from at least trying to find a better spot for Granlund, which has been a common theme of his, but it was a terrible trade from a team needs and/or player evaluation point of view.
 
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HandshakeLine said:
Like the players or not, if they leave the Pens and immediately rebound, that is on the coach.
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Yohe says no in his latest article butt-kissing Sullivan…read it and weep lol…oh and nothing new…same thing we all heard: UFAs Petts and DOC gone and no one else lol

“Earlier this season, many people believed coach Mike Sullivan was on the hot seat because of the Penguins’ horrible start.

He never was. That doesn’t mean Sullivan is bulletproof, of course. I suppose if the Penguins plummeted to the bottom of the standings and Sullivan lost control of the locker room, sure, he could be terminated. Stranger things have happened.

The fact is, however, that the Penguins front office is very pleased with the job Sullivan has done. The front office understands that many of the goaltending issues were not his fault. The Penguins also have largely cleaned up their defensive messes from earlier this season. The Penguins’ future Hall of Famers love Sullivan. And he has overseen noticeable improvement in recent weeks from young players such as O’Connor, Phil Tomasino and Cody Glass.”

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What I’m hearing about the Penguins: Trade deadline whispers and slam dunks

Here's the latest buzz surrounding the Penguins, Kyle Dubas and the looming NHL trade deadline.
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pistolpete11 said:
I 100% agree Sullivan shares some of the blame here, but Hextall was mainly at fault. They needed a 3C capable of playing with heavy defensive usage and he went out and got Granlund :help: Sullivan's stubbornness prevented him from at least trying to find a better spot for Granlund, which has been a common theme of his, but it was a terrible trade from a team needs and/or player evaluation point of view.
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I mean, they shouldn’t have gotten Granlund, sure. But at the end of the day, a coach’s responsibility is to make the roster work with the players he has, not turn the players he has into ZAR.

Hextall trading for Granlund was an unforced error, Sullivan trying to make him into a pking 3C is just malpractice.

Andy99 said:
Yohe says no in his latest article butt-kissing Sullivan…read it and weep lol…oh and nothing new…same thing we all heard: UFAs Petts and DOC gone and no one else lol

“Earlier this season, many people believed coach Mike Sullivan was on the hot seat because of the Penguins’ horrible start.

He never was. That doesn’t mean Sullivan is bulletproof, of course. I suppose if the Penguins plummeted to the bottom of the standings and Sullivan lost control of the locker room, sure, he could be terminated. Stranger things have happened.

The fact is, however, that the Penguins front office is very pleased with the job Sullivan has done. The front office understands that many of the goaltending issues were not his fault. The Penguins also have largely cleaned up their defensive messes from earlier this season. The Penguins’ future Hall of Famers love Sullivan. And he has overseen noticeable improvement in recent weeks from young players such as O’Connor, Phil Tomasino and Cody Glass.”

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What I’m hearing about the Penguins: Trade deadline whispers and slam dunks

Here's the latest buzz surrounding the Penguins, Kyle Dubas and the looming NHL trade deadline.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Yohe’s such a toad. :laugh:
 
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Yeah, again I go back to the snippet from Leonsis' biography I saw floating around on twitter a while ago. He basically said McPhee got sick of Dale Hunter and Adam Oates' approach to coaching and he told them flat out "You have to coach the team you're given, not coach the team you wish you had."

Would love for Dubas to have the guts to say that to Sullivan. Or better yet, f***ing fire his ass after nearly a decade of failures.
 
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I think Yohe's probably correct that they won't see any major trades in the season because they only have 1 retention slot left and they might want to use it on Pettersson to expand his market. That said, I think Karlsson is as good as gone this off-season, specifically after his July signing bonus is paid out. They'll pay out his signing bonus and trade him after with retention so any team acquiring him will only owe him like $7 million over 2 years.

Yohe also seems to think there would be a market for Letang if Letang wanted to move on, which I don't believe because Letang's contract is horrendous.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I think Yohe's probably correct that they won't see any major trades in the season because they only have 1 retention slot left and they might want to use it on Pettersson to expand his market. That said, I think Karlsson is as good as gone this off-season, specifically after his July signing bonus is paid out. They'll pay out his signing bonus and trade him after with retention so any team acquiring him will only owe him like $7 million over 2 years.

Yohe also seems to think there would be a market for Letang if Letang wanted to move on, which I don't believe because Letang's contract is horrendous.
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Meh I could see Letang being traded for like a 7th to a team like San Jose. I could see a market. He wont have value but a team with infinite cap space and young players might take him on as a leadership role. The actual money owed drops off a bit starting next year.

Also a team trying to get to the floor might take him for his hit since he is actually paid less.
 
Big Friggin Dummy said:
Yeah, again I go back to the snippet from Leonsis' biography I saw floating around on twitter a while ago. He basically said McPhee got sick of Dale Hunter and Adam Oates' approach to coaching and he told them flat out "You have to coach the team you're given, not coach the team you wish you had."

Would love for Dubas to have the guts to say that to Sullivan. Or better yet, f***ing fire his ass after nearly a decade of failures.
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I feel like this is a problem with most coaches - in most sports. Something has worked to get them to the level they're at, and they fear if they abandon it they'll have no idea what to do and be out of a job. If you stick to your guns, you might get fired, but you'll almost certainly be hired again in the NHL because of how hard it is to break in as an HC. If you lose the sauce that got you there, get ready to learn Swiss-German buddy.
 
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spcastlemagic said:
I feel like this is a problem with most coaches - in most sports. Something has worked to get them to the level they're at, and they fear if they abandon it they'll have no idea what to do and be out of a job. If you stick to your guns, you might get fired, but you'll almost certainly be hired again in the NHL because of how hard it is to break in as an HC. If you lose the sauce that got you there, get ready to learn Swiss-German buddy.
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For sure and it’s so incredibly stupid. It also makes for a boring product on the ice.
 
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Looking around at teams who could trade for Karlsson, I legitimately think that Ottawa makes sense to trade for him. They're currently in a playoff spot and have been playing really well since a rough start to the year. They finally have their goaltending figured out with Ullmark and have a lot of young talent on the roster. A Karlsson reunion on top of the talent they already have may really spike them into a contender spot. Chabot, Sanderson and Karlsson as their top-3 D with Stutzle, Tkachuk, Batherson and Norris at forward and Ullmark in net looks like the basis for a legitimate contending team IMO.

Karlsson at $7 million for Zub and Amadio is basically an even AAV swap ($7.2 million for Senators duo) and it saves Ottawa money due to Karlsson's lower money than AAV. Zub's also a pretty effective RD that you can slide onto the 2nd pair role. Get some picks and prospects with that and I'm pretty good with that deal.
 
pistolpete11 said:
I 100% agree Sullivan shares some of the blame here, but Hextall was mainly at fault. They needed a 3C capable of playing with heavy defensive usage and he went out and got Granlund :help: Sullivan's stubbornness prevented him from at least trying to find a better spot for Granlund, which has been a common theme of his, but it was a terrible trade from a team needs and/or player evaluation point of view.
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Good thing Dubas gave him four of those this year. Working out amazingly!
 
DesertedPenguin said:
LeBrun added that the Pens will absolutely sell, but the idea that it's going to be a firesale at the deadline is a misnomer - simply because the Pens don't have a lot to offer.

Dubas will make every effort to make trades to acquire young players, prospects, and draft picks (and LeBrun says it's in that specific order), but there might be a more flexible market in the offseason for guys with term.

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NHL rumblings: Latest on Canucks-Miller, Blue Jackets-Provorov, Penguins’ plans, Oilers’ needs and more

Add the Hurricanes and Devils to the list of a handful of teams that have had talks with the Canucks about a J.T. Miller trade.
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That makes more sense. We wouldn’t have of a garage sale, as much as a garbage sale. I’m thinking we’re coming out of the deadline with some late picks, and maybe a reclamation project or two.
 
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Is it kind of funny in a dark way that the Penguins are a max cap team with a billionaire ownership group who along with the GM they hired had up until this season a unrelenting mandate to win no matter what all led by supposedly one of the best coaches in the league and... they have little to nothing on offer at the TDL? That's some sadsack, pathetic shit right there lol
 
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