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Empoleon8771 said:
Idk the going rate for defensemen with Grzelcyk's performance this year seems like a 3rd. He's above the kind of defensemen usually bringing back 4th rounders (guys like Johnson, Ruhwedel, Miller and Stecher), so I think a 4th would be too low.

I could see the eventual Gryzelcyk deal looking like the Peeke deal from last year, which was Zboril and a 2027 3rd for Peeke. Less than that would surprise me.
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Peeke is a big boy and had term.
 
Randy Butternubs said:
Looking at Elite Prospects I feel like the Pens should sign Jonathan Dahlen. He's Hallander's teammate and is one of the leading SHL scorers. Has had some success in North America.

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Count me in but only on two conditions:
1. He can go 10 and 2 like his dad.
2. The Pens bring back Errey to mention it on every broadcast.
 
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I honestly don't see where Dahlen would play for the Penguins even if he was legit. I think you ideally have McGorarty on L3 next year and Hallander probably doesn't come back to NA without some sort of assurance he'd be playing in the NHL.

In an ideal world, I think you add another legit top-6 guy and run with a bottom-6 of:

McGroarty-Lizotte-Tomasino
Hallander-Ponomarev-Acciari

Hallander on L4 feels like it may be underusing him, but it should be a huge improvement for L4 over guys like Nieto.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I honestly don't see where Dahlen would play for the Penguins even if he was legit. I think you ideally have McGorarty on L3 next year and Hallander probably doesn't come back to NA without some sort of assurance he'd be playing in the NHL.

In an ideal world, I think you add another legit top-6 guy and run with a bottom-6 of:

McGroarty-Lizotte-Tomasino
Hallander-Ponomarev-Acciari

Hallander on L4 feels like it may be underusing him, but it should be a huge improvement for L4 over guys like Nieto.
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Why is McGroarty being penciled in a spot?
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Because he has been producing very well after struggling while adjusting to the pro game while he also offers the defensive/PKing game Sullivan wants.
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If you are going off who earned it based on play this year that would be Broz. He does everything you said while being a better goal scorer and producer.

If you go off play alone which they should, Koivunen would be ahead of both. He is number 2 in rookie scoring for all of the AHL.

McGroarty playing because of his defensive/PKing game is the dumb stuff this team needs to stop doing.
 
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Darren McCord said:
If you are going off who earned it based on play this year that would be Broz. He does everything you said while being a better goal scorer and producer.

If you go off play alone which they should, Koivunen would be ahead of both. He is number 2 in rookie scoring for all of the AHL.

McGroarty playing because of his defensive/PKing game is the dumb stuff this team needs to stop doing.
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There's a certain setup that all NHL coaches want and the role McGroarty offers is different than what Broz or Koivunen offers. Koivunen is an offensive driver on L3 (taken up by Tomasino) and Broz is a 2-way 3C (taken up by Lizotte). Those guys aren't competing for the same spot.

There are certain requirements for roles that NHL coaches want out of their players and my roster recommendation is based on that. The primary guy battling it out for McGroarty's role on the 3rd line is Hallander, that role is the "can produce but also kills penalties and is good defensively" role.

The long-term 3rd line is ideally McGroarty-Broz-Koivunen (or Koivunen in the top-6 and Tomasino in his spot), but those players aren't competing for the same roster spot.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
There's a certain setup that all NHL coaches want and the role McGroarty offers is different than what Broz or Koivunen offers. Koivunen is an offensive driver on L3 (taken up by Tomasino) and Broz is a 2-way 3C (taken up by Lizotte). Those guys aren't competing for the same spot.

There are certain requirements for roles that NHL coaches want out of their players and my roster recommendation is based on that. The primary guy battling it out for McGroarty's role on the 3rd line is Hallander, that role is the "can produce but also kills penalties and is good defensively" role.

The long-term 3rd line is ideally McGroarty-Broz-Koivunen (or Koivunen in the top-6 and Tomasino in his spot), but those players aren't competing for the same roster spot.
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Dude are literally making up the spots they are competing for lol. Why is Pono in his spot? Why isnt Accari at center? You are choosing which spots are available.

Based on play so far this year, these are more deserving lineups.

Hallander-Broz-Tomasino
Lizotte-Ponomarev-Acciari

Or

Koivunen - Lizotte -Tomasino
Hallander - Pono - Acciari

I mean options one is honestly better at what the pens do than why you are saying. You have 4 center options and players on each link who can pk and play defensive roles.
 
Darren McCord said:
Dude are literally making up the spots they are competing for lol. Why is Pono in his spot? Why isnt Accari at center? You are choosing which spots are available.

Based on play so far this year, these are more deserving lineups.

Hallander-Broz-Tomasino
Lizotte-Ponomarev-Acciari

Or

Koivunen - Lizotte -Tomasino
Hallander - Pono - Acciari

I mean options one is honestly better at what the pens do than why you are saying. You have 4 center options and players on each link who can pk and play defensive roles.
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That 1st option looks totally fine to me as well, I have no issues from a "lineup NHL coaches would want" perspective with that. The issue with the second one is that both Koivunen and Tomasino fill that "3rd line offensive driver" role and I figure one of them would need to be that PKing option.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
That 1st option looks totally fine to me as well, I have no issues from a "lineup NHL coaches would want" perspective with that. The issue with the second one is that both Koivunen and Tomasino fill that "3rd line offensive driver" role and I figure one of them would need to be that PKing option.
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Nah you have

Rust
Lizotte
Accari
Hallander
Pono

who can all PK.

Also the top 6 you pick up could also pk if it was someone like Marner ( I know a reach but still)

The idea that all the PK has to be in the bottom six and cant be good players is a sullivan thing that is soooooo stupid.

Im not sold on Tomasino being an offensive driver alone yet either. Not reason why you cant have two good offensive guys in your bottom 6.
 
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My theory is if you’re going to be focusing so much on PKing you shouldn’t spend time in the box for shit like high sticking or too many men or holding. Go to the bin for something that hurts the other team- roughing, boarding, charging, something physical.

Make the other team pay and be confident in the fact that HC PK has devised a good scheme that makes the trade off worth it.

Otherwise, just be disciplined and don’t go to the box.
 
I’m going to have a possibly hot take. And it’s awesome he got the goal tonight. But it had very little to do with this opinion. If we started Ned along with a rotation of WBS goalies at backup. This team would have more wins. I don’t know how many more wins…. But more. Very flawed team but the net would be more sound.
 
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I cba to find recent numbers, but if McGroarty continues his recent strong form in the AHL, projecting him to be the first guy up from there isn't going to be at all controversial come the end of the season.
 
AuroraBorealis said:
Depends. Sometimes the core consists of some unexpected players who did not go top-15, or even in the 1st round.

It's dangerous to put too much faith in scouts.
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The core is going to have a mix of different players but it will need top 5 talent.

Every single cup winning team since the lockout but one had a top 5 pick in their top 5 scoring during the playoffs. There’s no way around it.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
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Jesse Puljujarvi

The curse of being good, but not great - and not specialized
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It was here. The notable comment:



He's basically competing with just Tomasino and Beauvillier for a spot, and both of those guys have scored more than him.
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Tomasino and Beau have 1st and 2nd line minutes, Puljujarvi doesn't, they also have extended looks on the Powerplay, Puljujarvi doesn't. Now, would he produce more than them in those roles? No idea, but he was never given a chance to, and when those two went cold, they were still given the rope while Puljujarvi sat.

I am admittedly a Puljujarvi fan, and really enjoy watching him play. So yes, it's a biased take, but even the advanced stats show Puljujarvi did not get a fair shake. He didn't fail, but playing limited minutes on line 3 while his competition gets to line up with Sid or Geno also shows he wasn't given a chance here to succeed, like Tomasino and Beau have been given.
 
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Also, even though I like Puljujarvi, if the kids in the AHL can come up and take guys like Beau, Nieto, Acciari, Hayes, Doc out of the lineup then yes please!!!
 
Saw this in Pensburgh article about the Caps for tonight’s game against them…their GM is so much better than anyone we’ve had lately…that’s what it comes down to…pro scouting and making the right educated guesses about players and their fit on your team…

  • The Athletic’s Shayna Goldman wrote a good story recently about how the Capitals retooled back from a playoff bubble squad back into a contending squad. The Caps sent out veterans after the 2022-23 season and replaced them with young talent, hired a new coach, hit big on a few buy-low candidates for bounce-back seasons (Pierre-Luc Dubois, Jakob Chychrun) and— maybe most importantly— found good goaltending on the trade market. One could imagine an alternate reality where the Pens made similar decisions, while connecting on free agency swings like the Ryan Graves and Reilly Smith signings, and rebuilt a contender around Crosby like the one the Caps have constructed around Ovechkin.
 
Ragamuffin Gunner said:
Dubi should be calling VAN and NSH every day looking to exploit them. VAN needs a Dman and NSH is a disaster.
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I'd be calling Columbus. I think you could extract good value for Ricky Rak if you're looking to move him.
Also, if EK was serious about his comments about the Big 3 already having their rings while he has none, who knows.
Not that Columbus has any great shot at a Cup or anything, but they're at least currently in a playoff spot.
Even if not EK, maybe you can pawn off Graves in a way that doesn't hurt too much. Columbus has a boatload of cap space.
 
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