Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXV - Poolman and Poolparty?!?

[Darren McCord]

Kaliyev is what Kevin Hayes is now at 23.

And Kevin Hayes is like are most skill bottom 6 forward unfortunately besides Lizotte.

Idk I would take Kevin Hayes at like 850k to replace the Kevin Hayes at 3mill we have

 

[Empoleon8771]

He didn't even make it to the Penguins so it's a moot point. The Rangers are 7th in waiver priority, the Penguins are 14th.

 

[Gurglesons]

Once again wish we would've targeted John Gibson over signing Tristan Jarry.

 

[HandshakeLine]

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Once again wish we would've targeted John Gibson over signing Tristan Jarry.

Or kept Gustavsson.

 

[IcedCapp]

My brother and I were talking about the Pens demise and he said they should do something wild like try to get Marner on a mega one-year deal. And while that seemed stupid at the time, I thought about the fact that next year is likely it for Malkin. Maybe we could actually try one more year if...

Pettersson+DOC out for a 1st
Resign Tomasino and Glass for <$3mil combined
Resign POJ in a 1.5-2mil range
Trade Neds at the TDL or off-season.

By my math, we'd have about $25mil in space. Offer Marner a one-year max deal, mostly in bonuses.

McGroarty-Sid-Marner
Rakell-Malkin-Rust
Bunting-Lizotte-Tomasino
Poulin-Acciari-Glass (or similar)

POJ-Letang
Pickering-Karlsson
XXXX-XXXX

Jarry-Blomqvist

Leaves about $10mil to get a 3rd pairing, we don't like what we have in the minors.


I don't think you're gonna like watching for the next 5 or so years then.

We need JR back. He'd have traded DOC for Marner by now.

if they're not gonna tank, and they're gonna actually try to win, i'm not opposed to Marner, costs us no assets, and it ain't my money, but he'll never accept a 1-year deal. In fact, even if we offered him the most money/term, I doubt he signs here simply because there's no chance we'd want him to finish here, but moving a $14MM contract to a contender in 3 years would be an impossible task.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'd be all for throwing a huge contract at Marner purely from an entertainment POV. Exciting guy to watch post-Crosby and Malkin and might actually still be around to be a core guy after the rebuild.

 

[Gurglesons]

if they're not gonna tank, and they're gonna actually try to win, i'm not opposed to Marner, costs us no assets, and it ain't my money, but he'll never accept a 1-year deal. In fact, even if we offered him the most money/term, I doubt he signs here simply because there's no chance we'd want him to finish here, but moving a $14MM contract to a contender in 3 years would be an impossible task.

I'm not sure Marner wouldn't look for a market like us. But given he didn't sign with CBJ, I imagine he wants to stay in Toronto.

 

[IcedCapp]

I'd be all for throwing a huge contract at Marner purely from an entertainment POV. Exciting guy to watch post-Crosby and Malkin and might actually still be around to be a core guy after the rebuild.

see, this is the kind of shit we need to be doing if they're committed to keeping the core. Grabbing EK was the right idea, but we didn't follow through with it. Dubas needs to act like a coked out Tony Montana throwing money around to skilled players and just going nuts. Give us a fever dream of mishmashed talent for the next 3 years.

 

[Empoleon8771]

see, this is the kind of shit we need to be doing if they're committed to keeping the core. Grabbing EK was the right idea, but we didn't follow through with it. Dubas needs to act like a coked out Tony Montana throwing money around to skilled players and just going nuts. Give us a fever dream of mishmashed talent for the next 3 years.

Yeah and considering Marner wouldn't cost any assets, what's the downside of going after Marner?

Give him a huge deal now and see if you can win anything in the last year or two with Crosby and Malkin and then let him be the face of the franchise post-Crosby and Malkin. You won't run into cap issues because the team won't be competitive, Marner should be good for the entirety of the deal and he could still be around by the time the team is ready to be good again.

The argument against it is this idea that the Penguins need to completely bottom out and have the worst roster possible to properly rebuild, but I don't think a single Mitch Marner is going to prevent that from happening if the team is bad enough for it.

 

[IcedCapp]

Yeah and considering Marner wouldn't cost any assets, what's the downside of going after Marner?

Give him a huge deal now and see if you can win anything in the last year or two with Crosby and Malkin and then let him be the face of the franchise post-Crosby and Malkin. You won't run into cap issues because the team won't be competitive, Marner should be good for the entirety of the deal and he could still be around by the time the team is ready to be good again.

The argument against it is this idea that the Penguins need to completely bottom out and have the worst roster possible to properly rebuild, but I don't think a single Mitch Marner is going to prevent that from happening if the team is bad enough for it.

if you read the main boards, Mitch Marner will actually help you bottom out

 

[Gurglesons]

if you read the main boards, Mitch Marner will actually help you bottom out

He swings that way?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Also I'll fully concede at this point that @Gurglesons was correct that the Penguins should have traded Jarry for PLD and taken the chance with PLD, especially now that I firmly believe Malkin should be moved to the wing to maximize his effectiveness.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The thing with Marner is that he's not a guy you build around. He's not a dude who takes over the reigns of the post Sid/Geno era and becomes the face of a franchise imo.

I really like Marner, I think Leafs fans are f***ing dumb when they march him to the chopping block repeatedly, but I don't think he makes sense to throw a huge contract at to try and lure him here. And why would he want to sign on with a team that's been steadily declining since 2018, might miss three years in a row here, and only stands to get worse for a while before things get better?

I dunno. I think Marner's a much better player than Leafs fans give him credit for, and I think he's what Sullivan wishes Rust was, but I don't think Marner signing here makes sense for Marner or the Pens. Dude's just gonna be toiling away on a bottom feeder until he's like 34 and they're (hopefully) ready to try to contend again.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The thing with Marner is that he's not a guy you build around. He's not a dude who takes over the reigns of the post Sid/Geno era and becomes the face of a franchise imo.

I really like Marner, I think Leafs fans are f***ing dumb when they march him to the chopping block repeatedly, but I don't think he makes sense to throw a huge contract at to try and lure him here. And why would he want to sign on with a team that's been steadily declining since 2018, might miss three years in a row here, and only stands to get worse for a while before things get better?

I dunno. I think Marner's a much better player than Leafs fans give him credit for, and I think he's what Sullivan wishes Rust was, but I don't think Marner signing here makes sense for Marner or the Pens.

I think you're likely right with both Marner's ability and how he likely wouldn't view the Penguins as an attractive option, but what's really the downside for the Penguins? It's one of those moves that may not "make sense" for a rebuilding team but also doesn't really have any sort of negatives that come with it.

 

[Ryder71]

Would rather call up Ponomarev than play Kaliyev

Meh

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think you're likely right with both Marner's ability and how he likely wouldn't view the Penguins as an attractive option, but what's really the downside for the Penguins? It's one of those moves that may not "make sense" for a rebuilding team but also doesn't really have any sort of negatives that come with it.

I dunno. The negative is that you'd have a ~$14M AAV guy with 100pt potential just collecting dust on a team that should be actively trying to be as bad as they can post-Sid/Geno in order to try and land top-3 picks and build through the draft. You could try and move him once Sid retires, but you'd better bet his production and value's gonna plummet on this team, and it's gonna take heavy salary retention to move even with a ballooning cap ceiling.

It's a move that screams "ooh shiny" to me. He's about to be 28, and this team seems hellbent on clinging to those 10-14th overall picks until Sid retires in 2027. So you're talking about Marner being 30 by the time this team genuinely starts to suck shit and collect top prospects, and assuming they don't miraculously fall ass backwards into another generational talent, probably a solid five years of building out a solid roster. There's no real positive to chasing Marner at this stage of the franchise, imo. /shrug

 

[Jag68Sid87]

My brother and I were talking about the Pens demise and he said they should do something wild like try to get Marner on a mega one-year deal. And while that seemed stupid at the time, I thought about the fact that next year is likely it for Malkin. Maybe we could actually try one more year if...

Pettersson+DOC out for a 1st
Resign Tomasino and Glass for <$3mil combined
Resign POJ in a 1.5-2mil range
Trade Neds at the TDL or off-season.

By my math, we'd have about $25mil in space. Offer Marner a one-year max deal, mostly in bonuses.

McGroarty-Sid-Marner
Rakell-Malkin-Rust
Bunting-Lizotte-Tomasino
Poulin-Acciari-Glass (or similar)

POJ-Letang
Pickering-Karlsson
XXXX-XXXX

Jarry-Blomqvist

Leaves about $10mil to get a 3rd pairing, we don't like what we have in the minors.


I don't think you're gonna like watching for the next 5 or so years then.

We need JR back. He'd have traded DOC for Marner by now.

Why only a one-year offer for Marner? He is in his prime, and we literally need more players in their prime. He would be the perfect bridge between the Crosby-Malkin era and the next era. If he is interested in playing with Sid, Dubas should offer anything he wants. AND, he kills penalties so the coach has nothing to crow about.

Rakell-Crosby-Marner
Bunting-Malkin-Rust
Koivunen-Broz-McGroarty
Hayes-Lizotte-Acciari

Pickering-Karlsson
Joseph-Letang
Graves-Brunicke

Jarry/Nedeljkovic
Blomqvist

That is the framework. Lots of decisions are needed with pending free agents, both UFA and RFA. And I just assume we cannot move Hayes and/or Graves without adding assets that we do not want to add.

But this is exactly what Dubas means when he says we are trying to compete during the final years of the current era, while keeping an eye on the future.

And if he lands Marner, he will succeed in doing just that. But that is easier said than done.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I dunno. The negative is that you'd have a ~$14M AAV guy with 100pt potential just collecting dust on a team that should be actively trying to be as bad as they can post-Sid/Geno in order to try and land top-3 picks and build through the draft. You could try and move him once Sid retires, but you'd better bet his production and value's gonna plummet on this team, and it's gonna take heavy salary retention to move even with a ballooning cap ceiling.

It's a move that screams "ooh shiny" to me. He's about to be 28, and this team seems hellbent on clinging to those 10-14th overall picks until Sid retires in 2027. So you're talking about Marner being 30 by the time this team genuinely starts to suck shit and collect top prospects, and assuming they don't miraculously fall ass backwards into another generational talent, probably a solid five years of building out a solid roster. There's no real positive to chasing Marner at this stage of the franchise, imo. /shrug

But like I said, I doubt Marner is going to be the one to prevent this team from truly bottoming out. In addition, the draft lottery really hurts how effective tanking can be.

Marner may take this team from being like 3rd worst to 6th worst in the NHL, but the odds of getting a top-3 pick aren't all that different between those two spots.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Marner is almost 28, he's never won anything, this core is cooked, and realistically, anything competitive the Pens could put together is like six years away. What would his motivation be to sign here?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Marner is almost 28, he's never won anything, this core is cooked, and realistically, anything competitive the Pens could put together is like six years away. What would his motivation be to sign here?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

But like I said, I doubt Marner is going to be the one to prevent this team from truly bottoming out. In addition, the draft lottery really hurts how effective tanking can be.

Marner may take this team from being like 3rd worst to 6th worst in the NHL, but the odds of getting a top-3 pick aren't all that different between those two spots.

Ideally you're aiming to pick 1st and to do that you need to finish last for best lotto odds, but yeah. I dunno. Makes zero sense to me to chase Marner just to have him rot here. Hell, weaponizing that ~$14M in cap space by taking on bad players for 1st round picks/prospects makes more sense for a team like the Pens.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

He could get money in other markets, too, that are possibly more competitive.

 

[K Fleur]

You don’t build around 28 year old Marner.

You build around 38 year old Sidney Crosby and equally important 27 year old DOC.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

He could get money in other markets, too, that are possibly more competitive.

Especially in a state that doesn't have state income tax (FL and TX)

 

[Ryder71]

Why only a one-year offer for Marner? He is in his prime, and we literally need more players in their prime. He would be the perfect bridge between the Crosby-Malkin era and the next era. If he is interested in playing with Sid, Dubas should offer anything he wants. AND, he kills penalties so the coach has nothing to crow about.

Rakell-Crosby-Marner
Bunting-Malkin-Rust
Koivunen-Broz-McGroarty
Hayes-Lizotte-Acciari

Pickering-Karlsson
Joseph-Letang
Graves-Brunicke

Jarry/Nedeljkovic
Blomqvist

That is the framework. Lots of decisions are needed with pending free agents, both UFA and RFA. And I just assume we cannot move Hayes and/or Graves without adding assets that we do not want to add.

But this is exactly what Dubas means when he says we are trying to compete during the final years of the current era, while keeping an eye on the future.

And if he lands Marner, he will succeed in doing just that. But that is easier said than done.

Geno won't be here next year, All of Koivunen, Broz and McGroarty will likely need another half season in WB for 25-26. Blom will be the number one goalie next season. Or at worst split the load. Tomasino will also be here.