Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXV - Poolman and Poolparty?!?

[Empoleon8771]

Anybody who isn’t Sid or Geno should be available for the right price.

But that's the thing, with someone like Tomasino what is the "right price"? You could reasonably argue that getting a 2nd for Tomasino right now would be good, but why do that over keeping him and seeing if his value can increase?

You can feel free to argue the definition of "untouchable", but Tomasino would probably fall in that category for me simply because no one would offer a return that even remotely justifies moving him. Pretty much all of their young guys fall in that exact category.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I haven't really seen anything from Tomasino so far that makes me think he's an asset you hang on to for the next chapter tbh. He probably does better in a non-Sullivan system and with better linemates but I don't think he's anything special. Which is why I think he's probably pretty worthless, and at that point, flip a coin on how you're feelin' that day if someone inquires about trading for him. A 2nd and I'm dealing him with no real hesitation. A 3rd, depending on the team, maybe--but eh.

I'm more annoyed at the continued insistence that Bryan Rust is some demigod who cannot be mentioned in trade discussions. f*** that guy, trade his ass this summer after his NTC drops and the dust settles in FA. You can absolutely fleece somebody who missed out on signing a scoring line player.

 

[Duffy13]

But that's the thing, with someone like Tomasino what is the "right price"? You could reasonably argue that getting a 2nd for Tomasino right now would be good, but why do that over keeping him and seeing if his value can increase?

You can feel free to argue the definition of "untouchable", but Tomasino would probably fall in that category for me simply because no one would offer a return that even remotely justifies moving him. Pretty much all of their young guys fall in that exact category.

The right price will never be known if it's out there that teams shouldn't even bother because he is labeled as untouchable.

He's a "well we don't really want to trade him, but what do you have?"

 

[Empoleon8771]

I haven't really seen anything from Tomasino so far that makes me think he's an asset you hang on to for the next chapter tbh. He probably does better in a non-Sullivan system and with better linemates but I don't think he's anything special. Which is why I think he's probably pretty worthless, and at that point, flip a coin on how you're feelin' that day if someone inquires about trading for him. A 2nd and I'm dealing him with no real hesitation. A 3rd, depending on the team, maybe--but eh.

I'm more annoyed at the continued insistence that Bryan Rust is some demigod who cannot be mentioned in trade discussions. f*** that guy, trade his ass this summer after his NTC drops and the dust settles in FA. You can absolutely fleece somebody who missed out on signing a scoring line player.

So you're trading a 23 year old Tomasino for a 2nd that more likely than not won't end up as good as Tomasino? Like what's even the purpose of doing that? Tomasino is 23 and has been roughly 40 point guy over his career.

The right price will never be known if it's out there that teams shouldn't even bother because he is labeled as untouchable.

The right price will never be offered that beats out keeping him and seeing if he can progress further.

This website is bizarre, they complain about young guys never getting a chance but also advocate trading or making available an effective 23 year old winger that's producing pretty well.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Same reason the majority of ufas sign where they do...
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Yeah, the Pens don't get that, they have to trade for their guys, with term.

 

[Duffy13]

So you're trading a 23 year old Tomasino for a 2nd that more likely than not won't end up as good as Tomasino? Like what's even the purpose of doing that? Tomasino is 23 and has been roughly 40 point guy over his career.



The right price will never be offered that beats out keeping him and seeing if he can progress further.

This website is bizarre, they complain about young guys never getting a chance but also advocate trading or making available an effective 23 year old winger that's producing pretty well.

I didn't say that, I said, he is not untouchable, he is a guy you don't necessarily want to trade but you at least listen to the offers.

 

[Icarium]

If you are sending out too much and only replacing 1/3 the talent they won't be doing right by Crosby.

If only the f***ing franchise cared about winning as much it cares about doing right by Crosby, Sullivan and god knows who else...

 

[Shrimper]

Tomasino is absoutely a piece you keep when fire selling. He's only 23, on a cheap contract and he is performing his best 82 game pace season in a dreadful team.

Looking at our roster I'd trade, if possible;

Acciari, Bunting, Graves, Grzelcyk, Hayes, Karlsson, Letang, Nieto, O'Connor, Petterson and Shea.

If a good offer comes in POJ, Rakell and Rust

If anyone bites, Jarry.

LW - Crosby - Rust
LW - Malkin - Rakell
LW - Lizotte - RW
LW - Glass - Beauvellier

Pickering - POJ
X - X
X - X

Nedeljkovic
Blomqvist

Fill in the spaces with the trade returns and/or youngsters from WBS.

 

[Ugene Magic]

If only the f***ing franchise cared about winning as much it cares about doing right by Crosby, Sullivan and god knows who else...

Because winning costs assets they don't want to spend.

 

[Turin]

But that's the thing, with someone like Tomasino what is the "right price"? You could reasonably argue that getting a 2nd for Tomasino right now would be good, but why do that over keeping him and seeing if his value can increase?

You can feel free to argue the definition of "untouchable", but Tomasino would probably fall in that category for me simply because no one would offer a return that even remotely justifies moving him. Pretty much all of their young guys fall in that exact category.

I don’t want to trade Tomasino. I’m assuming he’s not worth a lot so there’s no point in trading him.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

So you're trading a 23 year old Tomasino for a 2nd that more likely than not won't end up as good as Tomasino? Like what's even the purpose of doing that? Tomasino is 23 and has been roughly 40 point guy over his career.



The right price will never be offered that beats out keeping him and seeing if he can progress further.

This website is bizarre, they complain about young guys never getting a chance but also advocate trading or making available an effective 23 year old winger that's producing pretty well.

I don't think a 35-40pt guy is anything special. /shrug

I prefer a 2nd rounder as it's a more universal asset if you want to package it with other assets to try and get someone better than a 35-40pt guy, or you can make the pick if you want.

I dunno. I don't give a shit about Tomasino one way or another tbh. I'm not chomping at the bit to trade him asap or anything but I wouldn't bat an eye if he was dealt either. I don't think he's a bad player and he might turn out to be a good depth scoring guy but I'm not optimistic about his continued development under Sullivan or his ability to improve in this system.

-edit- Also, I doubt you're getting a 2nd for him, or maybe even a 3rd, so yeah. I'm fine hanging on to him from the standpoint of you're probably not getting any interest. I'm just sayin' if you cast your line out and someone bites, I wouldn't lose any sleep over moving him tbh. /shrug That's all.

 

[BrookswasHere44]

The Letang disrespect all because of who he plays with is unreal. Could you imagine someone saying that about Doughty cause he had Quick and Kopitar. Or Hedman cause he had Stamkos and Kucherov.

Are you comparing Letang to Hedman and Doughty? Eesh. Anyway, my dislike is by no means rational and shouldn't derail other conversations.

 

[IcedCapp]

1) I haven't seen anyone answer Emp's question regarding the credibility of the site, nor have I seen any real big names pick this up (if someone has, let me know, I don't use twitter anymore, so I'm basing this off of other avenues)

2) If this is "accurate" i promise no one said TomatoeToes was untouchable. He's simply worth more to the organization than anyone is offering. If someone offers them a 1st or +, trust me, he's incredibly touchable. But if they're only getting back what they gave for him, why move him? He's been fine. And we actually need players even if we sell everyone.

 

[pistolpete11]

'Untouchable' has lost all meaning if Tomasino is untouchable

Unlikely a team gives up enough to make it worth it for the Pens? Sure. Untouchable? No.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

What is RG Media and are they legit?

It's a former gambling site now masquerading as a news site. And no, they are not.

EDIT: While they have real people working for them, it's the classic example of former sportswriters who once worked for larger outlets trying to hang on and still make a buck. The reporter for the Pens story linked above, for example, is based in Montreal and works for the Montreal edition of Dan Kingerski's site.

 

[Peat]

What is RG Media and are they legit?

Unsure. Look new. Their writers are guys who've written and reported for other places but aren't exactly at the same of name level where you'd trust what they say.

Point in case - the guy writing the Pens story is one Marco D'Amico, listed on their site as a Habs beat reporter and working at the Montreal Hockey Now website (i.e. Kingerski's empire) as well as working on a bunch of Montreal radio shows. It's not impossible this guy hears legit stuff, but being the breaking edge of such a story over local and national media? Dubious.

 

[Khelandros]

Are you comparing Letang to Hedman and Doughty? Eesh. Anyway, my dislike is by no means rational and shouldn't derail other conversations.

Are you not?

 

[IcedCapp]

It's been a decade+, but Letang was definitely robbed of one Norris, and he either lost out on a 2nd due to getting injured late into a season he should have won it, or that's the year he got robbed, can't remember. But there was definitely at least 1 year where Letang was the best Dman in the world (based on the standard the voters use for the Norris) but he didn't win for the same reason Geno and Sid got held back in award voting: if they're even remotely close to the competition stat-wise, they simply will not get it because of their teammates. Yet at the same time, the people using that logic to deny them awards also didn't consider Malkin or Letang to be the elite of the elite. It's so f***ing circularly stupid.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I know people mention Crosby's lost Art Ross/Hart back in 2013 but I think Letang would have won the Norris that season too had he been fully healthy. Which is wild because IMO Martin was the best defenseman on that 2013 team, not Letang.

 

[Turin]

It's been a decade+, but Letang was definitely robbed of one Norris, and he either lost out on a 2nd due to getting injured late into a season he should have won it, or that's the year he got robbed, can't remember. But there was definitely at least 1 year where Letang was the best Dman in the world (based on the standard the voters use for the Norris) but he didn't win for the same reason Geno and Sid got held back in award voting: if they're even remotely close to the competition stat-wise, they simply will not get it because of their teammates. Yet at the same time, the people using that logic to deny them awards also didn't consider Malkin or Letang to be the elite of the elite. It's so f***ing circularly stupid.

Letang was the best defenseman in 2015 and 2016 when he was on the ice imo.

Don’t care if they trade him at this point tho. He should get his jersey retired either way

 

[Ugene Magic]

They gave P.K. Subban the Norris even though he played more games and it took everyone to catch up to Letang.

Letang was 38 points in 35 games.
Subban was 38 points in 42 games.

Here's the kicker..... It was Subban's own teammate that knock Letang out with that headshot, (Maxpac) Letang came back into the game and won it with a "take that" winning goal. But he was out with a concussion.

 

[Turin]

Damn Vancouver almost traded Miller for an injury prone 3C, a #6 defenseman and a 1st.