Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XIV

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[EverettMike]

All I know is that if all the players on a team suck you can't blame the GM who picked all those players to be on the team. Those sucky players are failing him!

 

[Dr Hook]

I think it's primarily an issue of talent, as in they don't have nearly enough. Even if they are completely healthy there are no forward lines you can put together that look good because they don't have enough talent. Meanwhile, the defense just isn't good enough. Not even close.

Goaltending should be fine but it's not.

That's fair, there are some obvious holes, but to me the team should not be as poor as it is. Looking at the team before the season, I saw a playoff team. Not a Cup contender, but one that would surely be in at which point anything could happen. I did not see Coyle and Frederic, as two examples, going completely over the offensive cliff. If they were comparable to what they did last year, even slightly worse, things would look different. We heard about Elias Lindholm's decline from a few folks, but what he is actually doing? I don't think most foresaw that. There are a lot of examples we can point to with individual players, but collectively it is amazing how many players are having bad seasons all at the same time.

 

[Kalus]

All I know is that if all the players on a team suck you can't blame the GM who picked all those players to be on the team. Those sucky players re failing him!

Agreed. And further, you can’t blame the GM for signing a number of those players to negative value contracts that will hamstring the team for years to come.

 

[PlayMakers]

 

[Kalus]

That's fair, there are some obvious holes, but to me the team should not be as poor as it is. Looking at the team before the season, I saw a playoff team. Not a Cup contender, but one that would surely be in at which point anything could happen. I did not see Coyle and Frederic, as two examples, going completely over the offensive cliff. If they were comparable to what they did last year, even slightly worse, things would look different. We heard about Elias Lindholm's decline from a few folks, but what he is actually doing? I don't think most foresaw that. There are a lot of examples we can point to with individual players, but collectively it is amazing how many players are having bad seasons all at the same time.

All true, but I think the biggest issues are 1) the absence of H Lindholm. He is still a good player and his presence would bring down zadorov’s minutes, so a lot of trickle down impact there and 2) goaltending. If they were getting even middle of the pack goaltending, several losses would instead be wins, and that makes a big difference in the standings.

 

[Dr Hook]

All true, but I think the biggest issues are 1) the absence of H Lindholm. He is still a good player and his presence would bring down zadorov’s minutes, so a lot of trickle down impact there and 2) goaltending. If they were getting even middle of the pack goaltending, several losses would instead be wins, and that makes a big difference in the standings.

And McAvoy and Carlo both being subpar has not helped. Just more of that "what the hell is going on here?" stuff. Goaltending needs to be better, but I would also say that goaltending league-wide is 'down' this year, and the way the Bruins play in front of their goalies sometimes is shambolic. You are right that Hampus should help, but he was there at the start when it was all going to shit and his presence didn't really matter much even though he personally was playing pretty well. I don't know, I am at a loss here. I guess a good starting point might be to clean out some of the roster, the coaching staff, and possibly the front office (though I don't think that last one is likely).

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

All I know is that if all the players on a team suck you can't blame the GM who picked all those players to be on the team. Those sucky players re failing him!

 

[EverettMike]

That's fair, there are some obvious holes, but to me the team should not be as poor as it is. Looking at the team before the season, I saw a playoff team. Not a Cup contender, but one that would surely be in at which point anything could happen. I did not see Coyle and Frederic, as two examples, going completely over the offensive cliff. If they were comparable to what they did last year, even slightly worse, things would look different. We heard about Elias Lindholm's decline from a few folks, but what he is actually doing? I don't think most foresaw that. There are a lot of examples we can point to with individual players, but collectively it is amazing how many players are having bad seasons all at the same time.

I get to complain because not only did I want nothing to do with him---before they signed him I said some team was going to give him a stupid deal and I hoped it wasn't going to be us---I said he wouldn't even be worth his contract in year one and he's not.

 

[Dr Hook]

I get to complain because not only did I want nothing to do with him---before they signed him I said some team was going to give him a stupid deal and I hoped it wasn't going to be us---I said he wouldn't even be worth his contract in year one and he's not.

Yes you get to bitch and I remember you were one who was adamantly opposed to signing him. I would take not worth his contract if he was at least a 50 point pace instead of the 30-something he is on now. He is looking like a David Backes type of signing right now and that is not good.

 

[Gordoff]

I get to complain because not only did I want nothing to do with him---before they signed him I said some team was going to give him a stupid deal and I hoped it wasn't going to be us---I said he wouldn't even be worth his contract in year one and he's not.

My thinking was that "Sweeney's the GM and knows a Hell of a lot more about hockey, the NHL, and the Bruins than me. That's his job, and he wouldn't take such a huge gamble if he wasn't 100% sure that Lindholm isn't what this team needs."
He still knows a 1000 Xs what I know about the team/game that was love but Elias Lindholm
was supposedly the number one, top center available
in free agency.
He took a huge gamble and it looks as though
he lost the gamble.
You never know, maybe Lindholms wrist is damaged and maybe he's waiting for the off-season to have it
surgically repaired, or maybe he's finished and we've got an anchor on the payroll for several years to come.
DS's taken gambles before with free agents but
IMO this was his biggest. It's a stretch but...
If he needs surgery, and if it would sideline him for the rest of the season I think he should do it now and
let the season finish. Let the team lose points and even miss the playoffs this year, get the better draft pick (if they do worse without him). If he's actually totally hampered because of it, who is he helping by taking up a roster spot and being half the player that he could be!?!

 

[PB37]

If the rumors are true, make a push for Boeser. He's still young enough to project as the team's second best goal scorer after Pasta on a long term contract. I'd be ok with the Bruins sending their 1st for a player like him.

Marchand has earned the right to choose what he wants to do - stay for another year, get traded for assets, or retire.

Trade Carlo, Coyle, Brazeau for younger/faster players/picks/cap space. Call up Lysell for the rest of the year.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

If the rumors are true, make a push for Boeser. He's still young enough to project as the team's second best goal scorer after Pasta on a long term contract. I'd be ok with the Bruins sending their 1st for a player like him.

Marchand has earned the right to choose what he wants to do - stay for another year, get traded for assets, or retire.

Trade Carlo, Coyle, Brazeau for younger/faster players/picks/cap space. Call up Lysell for the rest of the year.

Boeser is going to get $8M+ and the team needs to get faster not slower.

 

[Over the volcano]

There's pretty widespread underperformance IMO. whether its coaching, player leadership, or individual players underperforming, it is what it is. That certainly also falls on the GM in trying to piece it all together, but on paper I see more talent than I do results.

I get to complain ...

And you certainly do

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

That's fair, there are some obvious holes, but to me the team should not be as poor as it is. Looking at the team before the season, I saw a playoff team. Not a Cup contender, but one that would surely be in at which point anything could happen. I did not see Coyle and Frederic, as two examples, going completely over the offensive cliff. If they were comparable to what they did last year, even slightly worse, things would look different. We heard about Elias Lindholm's decline from a few folks, but what he is actually doing? I don't think most foresaw that. There are a lot of examples we can point to with individual players, but collectively it is amazing how many players are having bad seasons all at the same time.

Under performing Pasta, Swayman and McAvoy for first couple months also unexpected.

 

[EverettMike]

My thinking was that "Sweeney's the GM and knows a Hell of a lot more about hockey, the NHL, and the Bruins than me. That's his job, and he wouldn't take such a huge gamble if he wasn't 100% sure that Lindholm isn't what this team needs."
He still knows a 1000 Xs what I know about the team/game that was love but Elias Lindholm
was supposedly the number one, top center available
in free agency.
He took a huge gamble and it looks as though
he lost the gamble.
You never know, maybe Lindholms wrist is damaged and maybe he's waiting for the off-season to have it
surgically repaired, or maybe he's finished and we've got an anchor on the payroll for several years to come.
DS's taken gambles before with free agents but
IMO this was his biggest.

GMs make huge, predictable mistakes all the time even though they know a lot more than us. Their knowledge does not provide an excuse for those bad decisions. If anything it makes their f***-ups worse.

There's more talent than results.

Yeah you do!

Right or wrong, we're all suffering the same under Donald Sweeney.

 

[Blowfish]

Just get Hampus and Charlie back before full on panic.

 

[22Brad Park]

Once Canada loses 4 nations

All I know is that if all the players on a team suck you can't blame the GM who picked all those players to be on the team. Those sucky players are failing him!

It's Swaymans fault

Just get Hampus and Charlie back before full on panic.

They will help, but the team is still not built properly.They can't score goals consistently. Comes on 3 or 4 games spurts and drys up again.

 

[Dr Hook]

My thinking was that "Sweeney's the GM and knows a Hell of a lot more about hockey, the NHL, and the Bruins than me. That's his job, and he wouldn't take such a huge gamble if he wasn't 100% sure that Lindholm isn't what this team needs."
He still knows a 1000 Xs what I know about the team/game that was love but Elias Lindholm
was supposedly the number one, top center available
in free agency.
He took a huge gamble and it looks as though
he lost the gamble.
You never know, maybe Lindholms wrist is damaged and maybe he's waiting for the off-season to have it
surgically repaired, or maybe he's finished and we've got an anchor on the payroll for several years to come.
DS's taken gambles before with free agents but
IMO this was his biggest. It's a stretch but...
If he needs surgery, and if it would sideline him for the rest of the season I think he should do it now and
let the season finish. Let the team lose points and even miss the playoffs this year, get the better draft pick (if they do worse without him). If he's actually totally hampered because of it, who is he helping by taking up a roster spot and being half the player that he could be!?!

They make mistakes, they are human like us. That said, if Sweeney is guilty of anything it isn't of knowing Lindholm was going to be this bad and signing him anyway. He's guilty of being too optimistic about the player (to this point anyway). He made the same mistake with Backes. There are alternate universes where both signings could have worked out much better, because no one can predict the future with absolute certainty. But the fact that Sweeney took such a risk (as it now appears to be) is something he should get blasted for, though, because this was not like signing John Moore or Mike Reilly to stupid deals to sit on the 9th floor.

And I say this as a admitted big fan of the Lindholm signing, and I like the Backes signing too. Maybe I am too optimistic myself

 

[EverettMike]

It's Swaymans fault

I've said this already but my prediction is they will absolutely blame Swayman for this season and trade him in the offseason for 60 cents on the dollar.

 

[bruins4thecup65]

I would be signing Saad from waivers along with Reinhardt

Then moving Frederick for prospects and picks.

I would also take a shot at Cole Reinhardt who’s also on waivers. Bloodlines pick up.

Sweeney doesn’t know how to build.

 

[22Brad Park]

I've said this already but my prediction is they will absolutely blame Swayman for this season and trade him in the offseason for 60 cents on the dollar.

You could be right about passing blame.If Dipietro can cover the net I guess you can open up some cap that route.I have not saw enough of him however to really comment in that department.His age fits though at 25.

 

[TCB]

Just get Hampus and Charlie back before full on panic.

Their record wasn't any better with them in the line-up and their overall record with McAvoy out of the line-up is way better than bad. Changes need to be made,and imo starting in the front office, shelf time has expired.

 

[RoccoF14]

I would be signing Saad from waivers along with Reinhardt

Then moving Frederick for prospects and picks.

I would also take a shot at Cole Reinhardt who’s also on waivers. Bloodlines pick up.

Sweeney doesn’t know how to build.

I think you are over-valuing Trent Frederic's value on the market. If he brought back anything better than a 3rd round pick, I'd be doing cartwheels.

 

[Hookslide]

Boeser is going to get $8M+ and the team needs to get faster not slower.

Like Boeser, but not at 8mil