Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XIII

[LouJersey]

Stealing the other posters layout.

marchand-zacha-pasta
xxxxx-lindholm-xxxxx (Lysell at some point?)
frederic-poitras-geekie
xxxxx-kastelic-xxxxx

I would look to move Coyle bare minimum

 

[GordonHowe]

I'm in no rush to move Zacha or Geekie. Both are the right age, like it or not Zacha being close to Pastrnak matters (plus they do play well together). Geekie is the 2nd best shooter on this team and they need better shooters. Untouchable no but I'm not looking to move him either.

The rest I'm fine with moving out. Brad is a special case, not so straightforward. I'm perfectly fine if this is Coyle, Beecher, Peeke and Frederic's last seasons here.

Specifically on Carlo, he's not a bad player but I also don't think he's as good as some make him out to be either. A bit of an analytic darling.. I'm not a fan of expected goals whatever. As a fan, I'm a bit tired of watching him, he is limited in many respects. They've tried for many years now to win with McAvoy/Carlo as RD 1 and 2 and I think it's time to change. I don't think he fits well with either Lohrei or Zadorov and limits flexibility in how they pair up their D. Can't count on Hampus to pair up with Carlo forever. 9 years and almost 700 games with the same team is a good run for a defensive D-man, I don't see anything wrong with simply wanting to see some change with the 2nd pair RD after all this time. He's not about to go elsewhere and start racking up Norris trophies or complimenting top pairs. We know what he is.

Great post, per usual.

 

[slim399]

Sign me up for a reasonably priced long term Geekie extension.

 

[gvkmedia]

The Pasta line and the 4th line from the beginning of the year seem good.
It’s the other combinations.

Can we build 2 more lines with what we have?
We need some help.
We need a trade or 2.

I am starting to think that Miller and/Pettersson are not coming. Just not enough to get either player and too much competition.

I think I will just continue coming here and see what happens…

 

[KrugAvoy]

Keep Geek please

 

[Alan Ryan]

Sign me up for a reasonably priced long term Geekie extension.

The Bruins got a good player when they signed Geekie.

 

[GordonHowe]

Zadorov wasn't on the ice for any even strength goals against yesterday. It seems like the people who didn't like the signing are the ones who constantly point to him as a problem.

Lohrei, McAvoy and Carlo have all been on the ice for more goals against at even strength, and at this point Zadorov has played more minutes than any D on the team. He's also been on the ice for 7 more goals than he's allowed. The only other D above water in that regard is McAvoy who's up 2.

On the PK, Carlo has been on the ice for 27 goals against, Zadorov 16, Lindholm and McAvoy 13 and 11 (in about half the PK ice time).

Zadorov is not perfect but as others have said, he's the least of our problems.

I have read and heard about these statistics. They are encouraging.

Loved the Zadorov signing at the time, only to be deflated by his Human Penalty Machine play.

I continue to pose the question: why does Nikita appear to be freelancing out there, seemingly oblivious to, or uninterested in, what I can only assume is his primary responsibility: clearing the net of unwanted visitors through physical intimidation.

Why has this issue persisted?

Why haven't Joe Sacco & Jay Leach addressed the problem forcefully and unequivocally with the player? If they have, the message clearly isn't getting across.

Where are Sweeney and Neely in all of this?

An apparent inability or, worse, unwillingness to corral Zadorov and compel him to fulfill the very basic requirements of his assignment is baffling & disconcerting.

What is going on?

 

[GordonHowe]

The Bruins got a good player when they signed Geekie.

He certainly appears to have turned the corner, as have David and Pavel.

Offensively, the second and third lines are the problem, as many have pointed out.

Solve that and maybe Dr. Jeckle can banish Mr. Hyde to the nether world.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

Frank Seravalli says the Bruins are a dark horse to acquire J.T. Miller.


"You know, I haven't heard a lot of people talking about the Boston Bruins. Their need for a top-end center has been well documented... I do believe that the Bruins have kept very close tabs on the Miller situation with the Canucks. I would term them as a team lurking in the weeds right now - to try and monitor those prices. I wouldn't be surprised, if this continues to linger on closer to the March 7th deadline, that [the Bruins] are a team that could remain in the mix."

 

[Tbaybruin]

Isn't that the report card?

Think about a strong team culture built, doubtless painstakingly, over twenty plus years.

Do you really want this character?

Do you really want baggage laden J.T. Miller, who is presently playing terrible hockey, BTW?

Not me.

If they believe Brad will bring back significant return, which he can, and if Marchand is ammenible, that unhappy option warrants serious consideration.

So do all trade possibilities.

*All trade possibilities.*

Beyond this, as Milbury suggests, finding out what they have in their prospects should be equally paramount.

And not for a single game so your parents can say they saw you play 11 minutes in the NHL. Or unceremoniously yanked around like Marc McLaughlin.

What, exactly, is going on here?

Jesus Christ.

We need Jesus on this team

 

[PlayMakers]

I continue to pose the question: why does Nikita appear to be freelancing out there, seemingly oblivious to, or uninterested in, what I can only assume is his primary responsibility: clearing the net of unwanted visitors through physical intimidation.

Why has this issue persisted?

Why haven't Joe Sacco & Jay Leach addressed the problem forcefully and unequivocally with the player? If they have, the message clearly isn't getting across.

Where are Sweeney and Neely in all of this?

An apparent inability or, worse, unwillingness to corral Zadorov and compel him to fulfill the very basic requirements of his assignment is baffling & disconcerting.

What is going on?

My answer to your question is that I am not seeing what you are seeing, and the coaching staff is not seeing what you are seeing, and the front office is not seeing what you're seeing. Our goalies have a 91.79 save percent with Zadorov on the ice.

Zadorov was all over Tkachuk tonight. He repeatedly didn't let him get to pucks at the net, he repeatedly didn't let him get to rebounds... Tkachuk was so frustrated he took a 10 minute misconduct at the end of the game because he got owned and couldn't handle it.

I don't know what else to say. I mean, there are times, like on the PK, when they want the D to block shots and take away passing lanes and not get tied up with guys in front (because that just creates a double screen), so maybe you're seeing that and thinking why is that being allowed, but that's a system thing.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

I have read and heard about these statistics. They are encouraging.

Loved the Zadorov signing at the time, only to be deflated by his Human Penalty Machine play.

I continue to pose the question: why does Nikita appear to be freelancing out there, seemingly oblivious to, or uninterested in, what I can only assume is his primary responsibility: clearing the net of unwanted visitors through physical intimidation.

Why has this issue persisted?

Why haven't Joe Sacco & Jay Leach addressed the problem forcefully and unequivocally with the player? If they have, the message clearly isn't getting across.

Where are Sweeney and Neely in all of this?

An apparent inability or, worse, unwillingness to corral Zadorov and compel him to fulfill the very basic requirements of his assignment is baffling & disconcerting.

What is going on?

You're having an awful assessment is what's going on. Zadorov is the only D actually clearing the crease. Sometimes Peeke. Wotherspoon tries to.

 

[PlayMakers]

I'm not one to know a ton about the X's and O's, but in that same scenario doesn't this mean that you have the advantage down low, given they have 2 guys max and you'll have 3 since the C stays low? Seems like they should be able to beat this by creating odd man situations down low to gain possession quickly

Not quite. In a standard box+1, if the puck is at the point, the wing zips out to pressure him and the center is the second layer in case that wing gets beat. He reads the play to see if he can pick off a pass to the slot or a dump off to a player on the half-wall. The C doesn't go out that high (I tell my C's not to go out higher than the top of the circle), but it still pulls the C out a bit. So if the other team's D are good at getting pucks through, it's still a 2on2 at the net.

 

[PlayMakers]

The Pasta line and the 4th line from the beginning of the year seem good.
It’s the other combinations.

Can we build 2 more lines with what we have?
We need some help.
We need a trade or 2.

I am starting to think that Miller and/Pettersson are not coming. Just not enough to get either player and too much competition.

I think I will just continue coming here and see what happens…

I would like to see them stick with the Marchand-Coyle-Poitras line for 10 games. They have chemistry and are getting scoring chances.

The line reminds me a bit of the Geekie-Zacha-Pasta line. When that line was first put together they had good numbers in terms of shots for/against, but weren't scoring a lot (folks kept begging to get Geekie off the line), but they stuck with it and eventually the shots led to goals.

I'm hoping that same pattern holds with 63-13-51.

 

[GordonHowe]

We need Jesus on this team.

WWJD?

"Hard pass, man."


To paraphrase Theodore Roosevelt in another context entirely, "I can fix the Bruins or run the country.

"I cannot do both."

You're having an awful assessment is what's going on. Zadorov is the only D actually clearing the crease. Sometimes Peeke. Wotherspoon tries to.

Results.

 

[PlayMakers]

 

[GordonHowe]

My answer to your question is that I am not seeing what you are seeing, and the coaching staff is not seeing what you are seeing, and the front office is not seeing what you're seeing. Our goalies have a 91.79 save percent with Zadorov on the ice.

Zadorov was all over Tkachuk tonight. He repeatedly didn't let him get to pucks at the net, he repeatedly didn't let him get to rebounds... Tkachuk was so frustrated he took a 10 minute misconduct at the end of the game because he got owned and couldn't handle it.

I don't know what else to say. I mean, there are times, like on the PK, when they want the D to block shots and take away passing lanes and not get tied up with guys in front (because that just creates a double screen), so maybe you're seeing that and thinking why is that being allowed, but that's a system thing.

Fine.

You may dismiss them, but Haggerty, Colageo and, I believe, the Herald's Steve Conroy, have posed the same question.

I am not a Nikita Zadorov hater. Quite the opposite, if he plays the way he's capable of playing.

You, and others, still have not answered the question.

Why is he allowed to freelance when he should be in front of the net, clearing it?

Perhaps there are fancy stats. An eye test I am unaware of.

But I see what I see, blinkered though the vision.

I see a player who is not disciplined, nor interested in disciplined play.

 

[Gordoff]

Totally agree. Not sure if it was you or someone else posted a video where Debour was explaining how long to get a new system in place, but he said it took several months at the very least. They can't afford to have that drag out to maybe a full season trying to get their new system in place with an old coaching staff not truly familiar with how the system works.

Am I wrong or didn't @PlayMakers say that Montgomery tried to change the system?
Then he probably felt that these players couldn't
or wouldn't play it the way he expected them to?
Or, did he just want to go home to St. Louis so he
simply stopped trying?
Anyway, yeah this crew doesn't seem like they want to
change and God knows they don't seem able or open to do it.

 

[Gordoff]

Frank Seravalli says the Bruins are a dark horse to acquire J.T. Miller.


"You know, I haven't heard a lot of people talking about the Boston Bruins. Their need for a top-end center has been well documented... I do believe that the Bruins have kept very close tabs on the Miller situation with the Canucks. I would term them as a team lurking in the weeds right now - to try and monitor those prices. I wouldn't be surprised, if this continues to linger on closer to the March 7th deadline, that [the Bruins] are a team that could remain in the mix."

There goes the 1st round pick and Potsey, etc, etc.

 

[PlayMakers]

Am I wrong or didn't @PlayMakers say that Montgomery tried to change the system?
Then he probably felt that these players couldn't
or wouldn't play it the way he expected them to?
Or, did he just want to go home to St. Louis so he
simply stopped trying?
Anyway, yeah this crew doesn't seem like they want to
change and God knows they don't seem able or open to do it.

Monty did try. I don't know why it didn't work. I don't know if the players couldn't get it or if the coaches (who have been teaching Julien's system for 10+ years) couldn't teach it, but for whatever reason it was an abject disaster.

 

[PlayMakers]

Fine.

You may dismiss them, but Haggerty, Colageo and, I believe, the Herald's Steve Conroy, have posed the same question.

I am not a Nikita Zadorov hater. Quite the opposite, if he plays the way he's capable of playing.

You, and others, still have not answered the question.

Why is he allowed to freelance when he should be in front of the net, clearing it?

Perhaps there are fancy stats. An eye test I am unaware of.

But I see what I see, blinkered though the vision.

I see a player who is not disciplined, nor interested in disciplined play.

Why is he freelancing? My answer is he is not.

Maybe I don't understand the question. What do you mean by freelancing? Like, this isn't Scott Stevens era hockey, where one guy stands in front of the net for his whole shift just pounding on guys. Is that what you expect to see? And when he doesn't do that you consider it freelancing?

Can you give me an example of what you mean?

 

[Gordoff]

Monty did try. I don't know why it didn't work. I don't know if the players couldn't get it or if the coaches (who have been teaching Julien's system for 10+ years) couldn't teach it, but for whatever reason it was an abject disaster.

Sounds like NOBODY "got it." That includes Sacco the other Assistant Coaches and the players.
When Monty came here he said something about wanting to change the system but found that the
team/players weren't ready, said he would look at doing it in the future.
This year Sweeneys selections being bigger and slower and Monty gave up IMO.

 

[GordonHowe]

Why is he freelancing? My answer is he is not.

Maybe I don't understand the question. What do you mean by freelancing? Like, this isn't Scott Stevens era hockey, where one guy stands in front of the net for his whole shift just pounding on guys. Is that what you expect to see? And when he doesn't do that you consider it freelancing?

Can you give me an example of what you mean?

I cannot offer a specific example.

What I see is a player too often out of position when he should be guarding the cage.

That's about a succinct as I can be.

He's too far up the ice chasing this or that.

Disagree, shoot it down, but I am not the only person, fan or media, who has observed same.

Guess we'll agree to disagree.

 

[DKH]

The Pasta line and the 4th line from the beginning of the year seem good.
It’s the other combinations.

Can we build 2 more lines with what we have?
We need some help.
We need a trade or 2.

I am starting to think that Miller and/Pettersson are not coming. Just not enough to get either player and too much competition.

I think I will just continue coming here and see what happens…

Bingo

I’m here although Beecher needs consistentcy

Brazeau I could go with Kastelic & koepke and bump Beecher, who’s not showed he’s anything higher then a L4 right now

The top line is very good

Bottom 6 should be, and as long as Lindholm has trouble handling puck which may be a problem rest of the season he’s here instead of L2

Geekie - Zacha - Pastrnak

Frederic- Lindhom - Coyle
Beecher- Kastelic - Koepke/Brazeau

That’s pretty good

So Line 2 obviously has

Marchand - Poitras - ?

 

[Ozzy Osbourne]

I must be missing something in Beechers game. I haven’t seen him make a positive impact, ever. I’m wondering why he’s a permanent fixture in the lineup?