Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XIII

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Thank god we’re getting around to more 2015 draft talk. Again.

It will always be relevant as long as Sweeney is the GM and the topic shifts towards rebuild/retool via draft. Nor does he deserve to be protected from it. Much as some of his prowess with contract extensions of own players (excluding free agency) is a major part of his tenure, so too is that draft, and others.

We should be terrified of what a rebuilding Sweeney might attempt.

 

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Frank Seravalli says the Bruins are a dark horse to acquire J.T. Miller.


"You know, I haven't heard a lot of people talking about the Boston Bruins. Their need for a top-end center has been well documented... I do believe that the Bruins have kept very close tabs on the Miller situation with the Canucks. I would term them as a team lurking in the weeds right now - to try and monitor those prices. I wouldn't be surprised, if this continues to linger on closer to the March 7th deadline, that [the Bruins] are a team that could remain in the mix."

Basically he sums it up by saying he wouldn't be surprised if he's moved soon and it may linger closer to the Mach 7th deadline. Great reporting unless it happens 3 weeks from now. lol

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Zadorov is far from a 3rd pair defenseman. It’s crazy how many people think he is here.

JFresh fan voting of top defenseman before the year began had him in the top 60. That would be first pair…

I think some of his biggest fans wouldn’t even go that far but at the bare minimum he’s a 2nd pairing defenseman

Not according to his ice time or what fans of his prior teams have stated. Eye test agrees.

Again, Aaron Ward succeeded on the top pairing with Chara. He was no top pairing defenseman. It can work.

However the pros outweigh some of the cons for this Bruins team. Zadorov is making the Bruins a tougher and therefore better team. Much closer to 3rd pair than top 4 if we are honest.

 

[Number8]

I have been a big supporter of Carlo, and always felt he has been under appreciated in this town, and always argued that what he brought to the table, and that contract made him a steal and in someways still feel that way, but I even have to admit he just has not had a good year, almost at times looks lost. I guess he should be considered for movement, and I say that reluctantly, but sometime tough decisions need to be made.

Did he get dinged earlier this season? I seem to recall a game where he took a high hit that worried me (hell, he took one last night at end of game last night that looked a bit worrisome).

I ask because to me he looks like the version of Carlo that we've seen after prior concussions.

I may be wrong - absolutely. But not sure why he'd struggle so much this season. As you say, he's been under appreciated around here. He's a good dman, but this season has been rough.

 

[Saxon Eric]

A lot of talk in the local media that they should do a re-tool.

What does a re-tool look like to you?

1's 2's and 3's are nice but I'd rather have NHL ready prospects, need a few of those to move forward
And preferably if they go the draft pick route, the return needs to carry over into multiple years

 

[gvkmedia]

I’m hoping a Miller deal (if there was one) would involve Carlo, Frederic and protected 1st or Lysell.
I fear they want Poitras in and Frederic out. Problem is the cap doesn’t really work then.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

It will always be relevant as long as Sweeney is the GM and the topic shifts towards rebuild/retool via draft. Nor does he deserve to be protected from it. Much as some of his prowess with contract extensions of own players (excluding free agency) is a major part of his tenure, so too is that draft, and others.

We should be terrified of what a rebuilding Sweeney might attempt.

That’s just silly. You of course are welcome to be as silly as you like.

 

[TCB]

I'm a little hesitant on Miller, considering age and contract, big pass. The majority of teams will add as well, so even if the Bruins were to get Miller it doesn't guarantee a long playoff run, hell it doesn't even guarantee a playoff. Then whats the cost, and who and what are you paying to get him, its not going to be cheap, on top of that you have the cap hit till he's 37. Just dont feel this current Bruins team should head in that direction. Id rather see them focus on some one younger and with term, if not now do it during the off season

lot of miles on his body, miller plays the game the right way, big & strong takes the body, but unfortunately that also wears on your body over time.

Sweeney swung and missed on Lindholm and I don't want to see a repeat of Miller even if it comes a year or two down the road. Hopefully he's targeting someone younger and with term.

 

[The don godfather]

I’m hoping a Miller deal (if there was one) would involve Carlo, Frederic and protected 1st or Lysell.
I fear they want Poitras in and Frederic out. Problem is the cap doesn’t really work then.

Jt Miller in lineup would make this team a serious threat. Would love him on board.

I'm a little hesitant on Miller, considering age and contract, big pass. The majority of teams will add as well, so even if the Bruins were to get Miller it doesn't guarantee a long playoff run, hell it doesn't even guarantee a playoff. Then whats the cost who and what are you paying to get him, its not going to be cheap, on top of that you have the cap hit till he's 37. Just dont feel this current Bruins team should head in that direction. Id rather see them focus on some one younger and with term, if not now do it during the off season

lot of miles on his body, miller plays the game the right way, big & strong takes the body, but unfortunately that also wears on your body over time.

Sweeney swung and missed on Lindholm and I don't want to see a repeat of Miller even if it comes a year or two down the road. Hopefully he's targeting someone younger and with term.

True luckily he didnt pay any assets but cap space got decimated. Hopefully Elias breaks out because it's still early in his contract .

 

[GordonHowe]

I must be missing something in Beechers game. I haven’t seen him make a positive impact, ever. I’m wondering why he’s a permanent fixture in the lineup?

If you want to say he's regressed this season, he has. So have many on that roster. But at his best, he's a big body who can fly, and he's very good in the dot.

I like him but he may be on his way out.

Of course, Sweeney is loathe to admit error, so perhaps he will be a Bruin for life.

 

[PlayMakers]

Zadorov is overpaid and truly should be on a 3rd pair... then again Aaron Ward managed to survive on the top pairing with Chara.

Contract aside Zadorov is everything the Bruins needed him to be. They need more of it not less and that is where Sweeney failed when adding size but soft uninvolved size.

Zadorov has been our best defenseman. He has played top3 minutes all season, over 20 minutes a game, and leads the team with a +10.

He's performed like a top4 D, as such he is paid appropriately and that deal will look like a steal as soon as July 2nd, when the ink dries on the all the new deals signed under a $95m cap.

I do agree that he's been everything the Bruins needed him to be in terms of being an intimidating, physical presence.

 

[TCB]

Zadorov is far from a 3rd pair defenseman. It’s crazy how many people think he is here.

JFresh fan voting of top defenseman before the year began had him in the top 60. That would be first pair…

I think some of his biggest fans wouldn’t even go that far but at the bare minimum he’s a 2nd pairing defenseman

The fear this guy puts into opponents is worth its weight in gold. The exact type player the Bruins have been missing since the Chara, McQuaid days. He has his lapses no doubt, but he's also pretty skilled at times and more importantly makes most players more than hesitant to go into the dirty areas when he's on the ice, even if its for just an instance it could be the difference of the puck being in the back of your net or the Bruins heading down the the ice with the it.

 

[PlayMakers]

His defensive results have been very bad. He is what he is. Big mean third pair D that needs sheltered deployment to win his matchups. That's who he's always been.

Except, that's not who he's been here. At all.

Honestly, I think the folks who keep saying this had a preconceived notion of what he is and are hanging onto that for dear life.

 

[dugg133]

Except, that's not who he's been here. At all.

Honestly, I think the folks who keep saying this had a preconceived notion of what he is and are hanging onto that for dear life.

You're right, he hasn't been winning his matchups so he's actually been worse

I get it, people want a return to old time hockey and the big bad bruins and Zadorov is your lord and savior cause of that. He's still been dogshit.

 

[GordonHowe]

Sounds like NOBODY "got it." That includes Sacco the other Assistant Coaches and the players.
When Monty came here he said something about wanting to change the system but found that the
team/players weren't ready, said he would look at doing it in the future.
This year Sweeneys selections being bigger and slower and Monty gave up IMO.

He had one foot out the door from the beginning.

In the sense that his coaching style was antithetical to Bruins DNA, and in the sense that he did not like the roster constructed by Don Sweeney. Probably, especially, this past offseason with the addition of size and physicality en general, and Nikita Zadorov in particular.

By the way, Montgomery has admitted that the wagon team led by last hurrah Bergeron and Krejci basically coached itself.

Montgomery made several inept and ultimately disastrous coaching decisions in the Florida series, and in fact, well before then.

I could cite chapter and verse, but I am too lazy at the moment. I don't know how to do so, but you can go back and look at comment and analyses, such as they were, in previous posts regarding Montgomery at the time.

Whatever else is true, the match was ill-fitting from beginning to end.

He's a very good coach, but he's an offense first, last, always coach. That is not going to work in Boston.

Perhaps it will in St Louis, which is where he always wanted to be, IMHO.

Wish him well, but exceedingly relieved he is no longer the head coach of my team.

 

[JCRO]

The further this team sinks into stinky, the less I like the idea of acquiring Miller.

Unless as PM laid out a few days or so ago, its roster players going out instead of picks and prospects. Especially roster players not in your future plans.

Not that Im married to any of our current prospects. But no picks should be moved. Period.

 

[Dr Hook]

I'm a little hesitant on Miller, considering age and contract, big pass. The majority of teams will add as well, so even if the Bruins were to get Miller it doesn't guarantee a long playoff run, hell it doesn't even guarantee a playoff. Then whats the cost, and who and what are you paying to get him, its not going to be cheap, on top of that you have the cap hit till he's 37. Just dont feel this current Bruins team should head in that direction. Id rather see them focus on some one younger and with term, if not now do it during the off season

lot of miles on his body, miller plays the game the right way, big & strong takes the body, but unfortunately that also wears on your body over time.

Sweeney swung and missed on Lindholm and I don't want to see a repeat of Miller even if it comes a year or two down the road. Hopefully he's targeting someone younger and with term.

Agreed. As we approach Cam's 'fork in the road' it is legit question of does the team 'go for it' for the next 2-3 seasons, because that would be the commitment if Miller is brought in. I get the idea, with Mac, Sway, Pasta all in their prime years. But is Miller enough of an add to really go for it? And if not, what else futures-wise does it cost to build up the team some more and does it still get you there?

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

You're right, he hasn't been winning his matchups so he's actually been worse
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I get it, people want a return to old time hockey and the big bad bruins and Zadorov is your lord and savior cause of that. He's still been dogshit.

Could not agree more. Every Lohrei defensive lapse is hyper analyzed but I don’t know why no one sees how bad Zadorov has been in his own end. And he can’t even seem to get a shot in net either.

 

[GordonHowe]

If you were expecting disciplined hockey from Zadorov then you didn't understand the player we were getting lol. This is who he's literally always been.

Alas and alack, tis too true.

My sorrow is pronounced.

 

[PlayMakers]

If elias can find his way out of this lack of production we dont need much.

Come on dude, it's been 50 games. He missed 2 one-timers on short soft passes yesterday. In NJ he had a breakaway from the blue line on the PP and just lost control of the puck. There are no signs that he's going to turn things around.

 

[JCRO]

Come on dude, it's been 50 games. He missed 2 one-timers on short soft passes yesterday. In NJ he had a breakaway from the blue line on the PP and just lost control of the puck. There are no signs that he's going to turn things around.

VAN loved him. Miller for Lindholm + swap

 

[Dr Hook]

He's performed like a top4 D, as such he is paid appropriately and that deal will look like a steal as soon as July 2nd, when the ink dries on the all the new deals signed under a $95m cap.

This. Was just going to say that it seems likely we'll see a $100m cap before his deal expires and the contract will look better and better.

Come on dude, it's been 50 games. He missed 2 one-timers on short soft passes yesterday. In NJ he had a breakaway from the blue line on the PP and just lost control of the puck. There are no signs that he's going to turn things around.

If Dan is right, he has a soft cast on his dominant hand and so is playing injured in a way that kills his shooting ability. I don't know, but something is going on because there is no reason he should fall so drastically off a cliff at this point.

 

[TCB]

Agreed. As we approach Cam's 'fork in the road' it is legit question of does the team 'go for it' for the next 2-3 seasons, because that would be the commitment if Miller is brought in. I get the idea, with Mac, Sway, Pasta all in their prime years. But is Miller enough of an add to really go for it? And if not, what else futures-wise does it cost to build up the team some more and does it still get you there?

Next few weeks should help decide which direction their going in, Its not an easy choice either way. Id like to see it more targeted for the future, instead of kicking the can down the road, but I understand that reasoning as well, but if there was ever a season id like to see the Bruins bite the bullet and look more towards the future its this one.

 

[BruinDust]

I get it, people want a return to old time hockey and the big bad bruins and Zadorov is your lord and savior cause of that. He's still been dogshit.

I'd like to see the numbers under Sacco only.

He was truly dreadful under Monty I felt. But he was getting used to a new system with a team getting used to a new system.

Since the coaching change and systems change back to Julien-style, he's been drastically improved. He's simplified his game, picked his spots to lay big hits better, better pacing.

That being said, he has his limitations. I don't like him defending against fast highly skilled players, they can expose him a bit. But he's exactly what you want up against bigger scoring forwards like either of the Tkachuks.

I don't like him paired with McAvoy, because I feel to get the most out of McAvoy, you need to pair him with a D-man who is more mobile and has better offensive instincts than what Zadorov brings. Your not getting your 9.5 million worth from McAvoy in today's game pairing him with a big physical shutdown type defender. I want all 4 guys to be options for McAvoy when he's walking the blue-line, not just the 3 forwards.

It's one reason I'd like to move on from Carlo. Give Hampus to McAvoy as your all-around pair that you can roll out in any situation, and find the right partner for Zadorov if the plan is to have all 3 of them here the next 5 years (all 3 are UFA the same year).

Hampus - McAvoy

Zadorov - XXXX

Lohrei - XXXX

Is how I would approach re-tooling the D.

 

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