Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XIII

[KrugAvoy]

Whatever they do, they need to try and get another 1st and gain a 2nd. Draft for scoring with the 1sts and get a solid D prospect with the 2nd.

Use some combination of Coyle, Carlo, Frederic to get those additional picks

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Why is it this season that every time this team gets shamefully blown out of a game, people flood these threads demanding change and accountability??

Like this has to be the 20th time already this year and every time it’s the same thing with you all.

 

[22Brad Park]

Why is it this season that every time this team gets shamefully blown out of a game, people flood these threads demanding change and accountability??

Like this has to be the 20th time already this year and every time it’s the same thing with you all.

Leave 2 tickets on your dash & someone will break the windows and leave you 2 more with them

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Once viewed as a strength, the Bruins' defense has completely unraveled

The Bruins' defense continued to unravel on Wednesday, with Boston falling to the Devils, 5-1, in an uncompetitive matchup.

www.boston.com

We're missing our #1 and 2 D. Both recent Norris vote-getters --we should be getting shelled.

 

[22Brad Park]

The way I see it, you trade Carlo and Frederic together for a major top six forward and a bottom pairing D. Basically a shifting of assets, Carlo gets downgraded so that Frederic can be upgraded. Maybe Buffalo for Cozens and Jokiharju?

I need to go look up the cap part first b4 I can like this.Cozens making like 7 million I think off top my head.
OK, i looked& its like a 4 million difference with Freddy and Jokiharju both free agents to be.I can't see Buffalo doing this deal without an extension with Freddy in place but been wrong b4.

 

[Dr Hook]

Why is it this season that every time this team gets shamefully blown out of a game, people flood these threads demanding change and accountability??

Like this has to be the 20th time already this year and every time it’s the same thing with you all.

That might be your answer right there, just saying.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

Trade Marchand
Trade Frederic
Trade Carlo

Give Lysell and Merk legit shots.


None of this will happen because Cam and Don are obsessed with grinding hockey over skill.

With Marchand as I always say IMO it's up to him, but those conversations should at least be occurring. Otherwise yeah Carlo and Frederic should be getting shopped heavily. Coyle too.

My keepers are Pasta, Sway and Hampus Lindholm. Probably McAvoy too but if they did want to really shake up the inner core he's the one to go IMO. That's IF.

I would happily see Elias Lindholm moved, but so soon after signing a long-term deal it seems extremely unlikely. Zadorov I'm not too fussed about. Overpaid but ok. Again, probably not going anywhere at this point.

Would prefer to keep Zacha, Geekie, Kastelic and Lohrei. Zacha annoys me in some ways but he is an overall solid and versatile player who works pretty well with Pasta and is on a decent deal. Lohrei remains a project but I still really like the upside and I back him in.

The rest I'm not too bothered about either way. Poitras is a good, smart kid with talent but the question marks on him at the top level are still there, IMO. If someone has a good offer involving him I'm listening. Need to see more of Lysell before making a call there. Bruins' management themselves don't seem convinced though which is not a great sign.

They need a 1C, a top 6 winger (probably a 2RW), a solid, dependable 2RD who is not Carlo, some speed and some grit/mental toughness. That's asking for a lot in the space of one deadline and an offseason. Do they have the pieces and cap space to make it happen? Probably unlikely, but if you're serious about a quick re-tool and trying to bounce straight back next year, you need to tick at least most of those boxes to have a good chance of executing it effectively. It's going to be a real challenge, if they try it at all.

 

[22Brad Park]

With Marchand as I always say IMO it's up to him, but those conversations should at least be occurring. Otherwise yeah Carlo and Frederic should be getting shopped heavily. Coyle too.

My keepers are Pasta, Sway and Hampus Lindholm. Probably McAvoy too but if they did want to really shake up the inner core he's the one to go IMO. That's IF.

I would happily see Elias Lindholm moved, but so soon after signing a long-term deal it seems extremely unlikely. Zadorov I'm not too fussed about. Overpaid but ok. Again, probably not going anywhere at this point.

Would prefer to keep Zacha, Geekie, Kastelic and Lohrei. Zacha annoys me in some ways but he is an overall solid and versatile player who works pretty well with Pasta and is on a decent deal. Lohrei remains a project but I still really like the upside and I back him in.

The rest I'm not too bothered about either way. Poitras is a good, smart kid with talent but the question marks on him at the top level are still there, IMO. If someone has a good offer involving him I'm listening. Need to see more of Lysell before making a call there. Bruins' management themselves don't seem convinced though which is not a great sign.

They need a 1C, a top 6 winger (probably a 2RW), a solid, dependable 2RD who is not Carlo, some speed and some grit/mental toughness. That's asking for a lot in the space of one deadline and an offseason. Do they have the pieces and cap space to make it happen? Probably unlikely, but if you're serious about a quick re-tool and trying to bounce straight back next year, you need to tick at least most of those boxes to have a good chance of executing it effectively. It's going to be a real challenge, if they try it at all.

Excellent post ...Want to add to part about Lysell.You said Bruins management themselves don't seem convinced.We need to remember they are the same people giving us this team that was shelled tonite

 

[Aussie Bruin]

Excellent post ...Want to add to part about Lysell.You said Bruins management themselves don't seem convinced.We need to remember they are the same people giving us this team that was shelled tonite

Thanks. And yeah, quite so. Their assessment on Lysell might be inaccurate. Or perhaps they actually do rate him higher than I think, and they're just playing the long game. Either way, I really feel it's in the team's interests at this point to give him a proper run in Boston soon.

 

[Over the volcano]

Frederic was invisible last night

 

[bbfan419]

DS is on cruise control until summer I'm afraid....

Must be nice knowing your job is safe.

 

[NDiesel]

Yeah, that could be. But we could also see a lot less Geekie types hitting free agency with the cap going up. With a flat cap for the last 4 or 5 years, teams had to make hard choices. Nobody had cap space and what little they had went to their high end players, so they had to let guys go they might have otherwise kept if they had just another $1m in cap space. That's not going to be the case going forward. Now everyone is going to have cap space.

Also, Geekie was signed under a flat cap. I would think that if that same situation comes up when everyone has $10m in cap space, those types of players are going to cost more than $2m.

Even now, agents are putting off negotiations because they want a number for the new cap so they can base their "ask" on a percentage of the cap.

Definitely some good points that i didn't consider here, I'll have to get used to the rising cap a bit.

So maybe in my re-tool scenario where you're looking at your upcoming UFAs to trade you don't go too crazy selling off every guy.

Geekie in particular I think is a good guy to keep especially if we can slot him into a more appropriate spot than line 1

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

MSN

Modern sportswriting at its finest:
Insinuates a possible trade rumor, then goes on to say it MIGHT fit, then uses its own sources to say it probably wont happen. Zero proof by the end.

 

[Eddie Munson]

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MSN

Modern sportswriting at its finest:
Insinuates a possible trade rumor, then goes on to say it MIGHT fit, then uses its own sources to say it probably wont happen. Zero proof by the end.

WTactualF???

 

[sarge88]

With Marchand as I always say IMO it's up to him, but those conversations should at least be occurring. Otherwise yeah Carlo and Frederic should be getting shopped heavily. Coyle too.

My keepers are Pasta, Sway and Hampus Lindholm. Probably McAvoy too but if they did want to really shake up the inner core he's the one to go IMO. That's IF.

I would happily see Elias Lindholm moved, but so soon after signing a long-term deal it seems extremely unlikely. Zadorov I'm not too fussed about. Overpaid but ok. Again, probably not going anywhere at this point.

Would prefer to keep Zacha, Geekie, Kastelic and Lohrei. Zacha annoys me in some ways but he is an overall solid and versatile player who works pretty well with Pasta and is on a decent deal. Lohrei remains a project but I still really like the upside and I back him in.

The rest I'm not too bothered about either way. Poitras is a good, smart kid with talent but the question marks on him at the top level are still there, IMO. If someone has a good offer involving him I'm listening. Need to see more of Lysell before making a call there. Bruins' management themselves don't seem convinced though which is not a great sign.

They need a 1C, a top 6 winger (probably a 2RW), a solid, dependable 2RD who is not Carlo, some speed and some grit/mental toughness. That's asking for a lot in the space of one deadline and an offseason. Do they have the pieces and cap space to make it happen? Probably unlikely, but if you're serious about a quick re-tool and trying to bounce straight back next year, you need to tick at least most of those boxes to have a good chance of executing it effectively. It's going to be a real challenge, if they try it at all.

I like Poitras too. My only question is whether or not we overrate him simply because he's currently their most effective forward prospect?

Time will tell, I guess but even though I like him I think his ceiling is 55–60-point 2C, which is nothing to sneeze at, but also likely not the difference between winning a cup and not. Also, I don't think he reaches that ceiling until 2027 or later.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Give an alternative other than "anyone else"

Tom Fitzgerald

 

[LouJersey]

Frederic was invisible last night

This forward group is so devoid of talent he really has become a must extend candidate you would think.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

The way I see it, you trade Carlo and Frederic together for a major top six forward and a bottom pairing D. Basically a shifting of assets, Carlo gets downgraded so that Frederic can be upgraded. Maybe Buffalo for Cozens and Jokiharju?

Right now, today Carlo with Frederic gets you Krebs & Clifton.

 

[LouJersey]

I like Poitras too. My only question is whether or not we overrate him simply because he's currently their most effective forward prospect?

Time will tell, I guess but even though I like him I think his ceiling is 55–60-point 2C, which is nothing to sneeze at, but also likely not the difference between winning a cup and not. Also, I don't think he reaches that ceiling until 2027 or later.

I have only seen him play twice live. He is a keeper. He just thinks at such a high level. He's prone to giveaways and being too creative but he is without a doubt a middle six center, long term for us IMO.

 

[Over the volcano]

Tom Fitzgerald

He's pretty locked up in NJ isn't he?

This forward group is so devoid of talent he really has become a must extend candidate you would think.

Yeah , unless they are going tear it down to the studs.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Whatever they do, they need to try and get another 1st and gain a 2nd. Draft for scoring with the 1sts and get a solid D prospect with the 2nd.

Use some combination of Coyle, Carlo, Frederic to get those additional picks

Who in their right mind is giving up a 1st for a UFA and rapidly declining players with some term left?

Coyle is declinibg and soon to be 33 and Carlo looks terrible.

He's pretty locked up in NJ isn't he?


Yeah , unless they are going tear it down to the studs.

Who knows what his contract stipulates. Would probably cost a draft pick or two (obviously not 1\2) but if he really wanted to be GM here being a Billerica guy and ex Bruin who knows?

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Frederic was invisible last night

McAvoy was terrible on the power play

Who in their right mind is giving up a 1st for a UFA and rapidly declining players with some term left?

Coyle is declinibg and soon to be 33 and Carlo looks terrible.


Who knows what his contract stipulates. Would probably cost a draft pick or two (obviously not 1\2) but if he really wanted to be GM here being a Billerica guy and ex Bruin who knows?

If folks think Coyle would bring back anything other than a body is fooling themselves.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

I have only seen him play twice live. He is a keeper. He just thinks at such a high level. He's prone to giveaways and being too creative but he is without a doubt a middle six center, long term for us IMO.

And he works hard on the ice. He will be better as we go along

 

[Hookslide]

5-6 year rebuilds have a way of turning into 8-12 year rebuilds.

You could be right about that timeline.

 

[sarge88]

Who in their right mind is giving up a 1st for a UFA and rapidly declining players with some term left?

Coyle is declinibg and soon to be 33 and Carlo looks terrible.


Who knows what his contract stipulates. Would probably cost a draft pick or two (obviously not 1\2) but if he really wanted to be GM here being a Billerica guy and ex Bruin who knows?

No idea what any of them will bring back, but I will say that every year guys are acquired for more than they are worth because GM's get trigger happy at the deadline and they often seem to trade for players hoping that they will get the optimum version of that player for the playoffs.

Carlo at his best is a very good 3/4. Coyle at his best is an excellent third liner, fair 2nd liner. If you have the cap room and a need at those two spots in your lineup, you could do a lot worse, provided they are close to the best version of themself.