24-25 Roster/Cap thread XI

[Bruin4]

He picks D men that played like he did……pushed off the puck and shaking their head when a goal goes in

Only problem is no Bourque on the other side

I honestly don’t see Vancouver trading ep40. It’s more likely they trade miller. But I doubt they trade miller because he is clearly their best player and an absolute force night in night out. Miller is a very passionate player who knows how to win.

im leaning towards EP40 only do to the fact that Miller has NMC Pettersson has no protection at all.

 

[HumBucker]

Also, it would interesting to know what management really thinks of the current top prospects - Poitras, Lysell, Merkulov, etc. There's promise there, for sure, but one gets the sense that there's less than 100% confidence in these guys becoming top contributors to the big club. How many times did players like Krejci and Marchand get called up before they showed they belonged? (We know Bergy stepped right in from Juniors, but he's a god among men.)

 

[norwoodmustang]

Rebuild, in general, is a valid option, especially if we miss the playoffs. i.e., trade off some valuable pieces for high draft picks. But rebuilding through the draft is not a guaranteed path to success either. Drafting can be such a crapshoot. Bergeron and Krejci were 2nd and 3rd round picks who went on to be pillars of a successful franchise for years. Marchand, 3rd round.

Obviously if the consensus of the great hockey minds and scouts was that those three would be future pillars of a Cup-winning team and perennial contenders, they would have been ranked much higher. So, just pure luck?

On the other hand, we have a few former top-10 picks playing on the club currently, who have not exactly been carrying any franchises on their backs as one might expect:

E Lindholm, 5th overall. I mean, he's been good at times in his career, but spotty. Certainly not having the impact in Boston that his draft pedigree (and salary) would suggest.

Zaccha, 6th overall. H Lindholm, 6th overall - Again, both have had their moments, and have overall been good additions, but top-10-worthy?

Oliver "Where's Wahlly" Wahlstrom, 11th overall - Nuff said. Too soon? We'll see. Or we won't.

We also had #1 pick Taylor Hall. Good player, but has never been a franchise saviour.

So, should we trade pieces (McAvoy, Freddy, Marchand, etc) to get high draft picks for a rebuild? I suppose a better approach (is this stating the obvious?) is to target picks and prospects; try to get up-and-coming prospects for whom we have more data, use good ol' hockey sense to identify guys who have a good chance of developing into something special, and add a 1st round pick or two if possible. And then hope we get lucky.

You can also partially rebuild by trading for players who can step in right now and help turn things around.

Elias Petterson was a 1st round pick (5th overall) in 2017. He won the Calder Trophy and he's only 26. He has the most career goals of any player in his draft year - 180, and the most points with 440 (in 441 games). The next closest player from that draft, the #1 overall pick, Nico Hischier has 155 goals and 389 points in 495 games. Petterson is elite.

Put this guy with Pasta and you should win quite a few more games.

Now, we would have to give up a lot. As @gvkmedia suggests, Carlo, Zacha, Frederic and Lysell might do it. If Petterson takes Zacah's place in the top 6, Poitras can come up and fill Freddy's spot, but you'd be down a top 4 D (until Lindholm is back).

Which players help us win more games this year?

Zacha, Carlo, and Frederic, or Petterson, Poitras and (eventually) Lindholm?
Y

 

[Kegs]

Only problem is no Bourque on the other side


im leaning towards EP40 only do to the fact that Miller has NMC Pettersson has no protection at all.

I doubt they are trading pettersson. There is zero chance they can win a trade with pettersson. He is a young super star #1 centre who has already hit 100 points. How is it possible to win that trade? They can get two firsts a second and a second line centre in a trade and still not win the trade.

Also, it would interesting to know what management really thinks of the current top prospects - Poitras, Lysell, Merkulov, etc. There's promise there, for sure, but one gets the sense that there's less than 100% confidence in these guys becoming top contributors to the big club. How many times did players like Krejci and Marchand get called up before they showed they belonged? (We know Bergy stepped right in from Juniors, but he's a god among men.)

I think every gm in the league has poitras circled on their scouting list.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Your power of mind control, just amazing! incredible!

It's a gift I try not to misuse.

 

[Kegs]

It's a gift I try not to misuse.

Ullmark is missing out on the group hug.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Mats Sundin didnt finish his career with the Leafs. Daniel Alfredsson didnt finish his career with the Sens. Bourque didnt finish with the Bruins. So many more. If this season keeps on as it is, you 100% move him rather than re-up. Only player I would have never moved on from from the cup team was Bergeron. And he retired as a Bruin, while the Bruins were on top.

Sundin didn't start his career with Toronto either.

 

[22Brad Park]

Sweeney averaged a little over 3 goals a season, even partnering much of that time with the NHL all time defenseman leader in points. He's defense, not offense.

Yea fair enough, but if one area he should be doing better it's on backend having been around the highest scoring D man ever .This is a disgrace, seriously it's a complete farce charging people to watch this product.There is zero future in this setup as is. Farm system is naked and talent level is meh as NHL level as a whole.Rant over

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

The Bourque situation is exactly what I’m talking about- the team wanted to do right by Ray so they sent him to a team that could win the cup. Thats the only way I see Brad being dealt (though he at least has a cup under his belt)

Pretty sure Bourque requested a trade.

 

[Kegs]

Hello Mama Sway!

Agreed.

 

[mjhfb]

Yea fair enough, but if one area he should be doing better it's on backend having been around the highest scoring D man ever .This is a disgrace, seriously it's a complete farce charging people to watch this product.There is zero future in this setup as is. Farm system is naked and talent level is meh as NHL level as a whole.

Not sure about zero, I believe Lohrei has the offensive instincts to help out much more than his current results with the right tutelage (which doesn't exist, no Bourque or Park type to learn from).

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Yea fair enough, but if one area he should be doing better it's on backend having been around the highest scoring D man ever .This is a disgrace, seriously it's a complete farce charging people to watch this product.There is zero future in this setup as is. Farm system is naked and talent level is meh as NHL level as a whole.

Wonder what you would call it if you were a San Jose fan.

 

[22Brad Park]

Wonder what you would call it if you were a San Jose fan.

Haha this has been true for a while , but even they are better off now with Celebrini and Smith .They might land Hagans yet to

 

[HumBucker]

I think every gm in the league has poitras circled on their scouting list.

So you're saying Sweeney sees him as trade bait?

 

[Bruin4]

The East is wide open. The Bruins could be a wild Card or a lottery Team

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Not sure about zero, I believe Lohrei has the offensive instincts to help out much more than his current results with the right tutelage (which doesn't exist, no Bourque or Park type to learn from).

Lohrei may have been overhyped.

He's slow and big with no bite. Seems to take him all day to get turned around to skate back to the defensive zone. Yes, handles the puck well, a good skater when carrying the puck. Correct about offensive instincts. But his progress has not been great. He'll be 24 next week.

 

[22Brad Park]

The East is wide open. The Bruins could be a wild Card or a lottery Team

That's what they are hoping( sneak in) upstairs.A couple playoff gates is longterm security for others .

 

[Kegs]

So you're saying Sweeney sees him as trade bait?

I hope not. I just think he has a high value.

 

[Bruin4]

That's what they are hoping upstairs.A couple playoff gates is longterm security for others .

Its crazy how tight it is at the Bottom of the east, there's some very good up and coming teams Ottawa,Detroit and Columbus. Poor Jarmo built the Jackets team, maybe they canned him a little to early, as their looking very strong right now.

Edit: You can add the Habs into the mix, Gorton has turned that franchise around in a short amount of time.

 

[Kegs]

Lohrei may have been overhyped.

He's slow and big with no bite. Seems to take him all day to get turned around to skate back to the defensive zone. Yes, handles the puck well, a good skater when carrying the puck. Correct about offensive instincts. But his progress has not been great. He'll be 24 next week.

He looked good in person. I was at the game vs the leafs. He can really carry the puck and makes nice passes. He has good hands too. He hasn’t played a lot of nhl games. I think we need to be patient. Next season I’ll be more critical.

 

[22Brad Park]

Its crazy how tight it is at the Bottom of the east, there's some very good up and coming teams Ottawa,Detroit and Columbus. Poor Jarmo built the Jackets team, maybe they canned him a little to early, as their looking very strong right now.

Yes,, as a fan I just want some good young players coming up with star potential and the Bruins have none.As Dan said last night it was a fun 18 yrs but now it's time to rebuild it, because this abomination of a team is not the answer ( last part me lol).Hoping we are in McKenna sweepstakes this time next season.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

You sound like you're a relative young un. If you'd been around for the whole glorious 50 year ride with Jacobs you'd understand.

Im 65, I can write a book on Bruin history. Jacobs may have had his faults many many years ago but him nor his family deserves what you continually post about them as owners,

Its garbage, sorry

 

[The don godfather]

I kinda called ep40 to Boston there is smoke out there bruins talking to nucks. I'm getting excited . Hope it happens ep40 a point a game player age only 26.

 

[FrankerC]

Sundin didn't start his career with Toronto either.

Yeah but you dont think of the Nordiques when you think of Sundin. Would be the same as saying “David Ortiz didnt start his career in Boston”

 

[Bruin4]

I kinda called ep40 to Boston there is smoke out there bruins talking to nucks. I'm getting excited . Hope it happens ep40 a point a game player age only 26.

Read post number 352 by @22Brad Park, Im thinking thats more likely to happen than Pettersson becoming a Bruin.