Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread X

[BruinDust]

Moot point though - Bruins don’t have the assets to acquire one like this. They get beat by most anyone.

You say Bruins don't have the assets to acquire players like this but somehow Vegas seem to always find a way.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

You say Bruins don't have the assets to acquire players like this but somehow Vegas seem to always find a way.

They’ve only acquired one guy at this level, and the Bruins don’t have a Tuch or Krebs level prospect (at the time). Buffalo wasn’t trading Eichel to Boston either.

If you want to put Stone at this level, they don’t have a Brannstrom either (again, where he was at the time). And the cap for them at the point was pretty prohibitive.

No one else they acquired is anywhere close to an EP.

 

[BruinDust]

They’ve only acquired one guy at this level, and the Bruins don’t have a Tuch or Krebs level prospect (at the time). Buffalo wasn’t trading Eichel to Boston either.

If you want to put Stone at this level, they don’t have a Brannstrom either (again, where he was at the time). And the cap for them at the point was pretty prohibitive.

No one else they acquired is anywhere close to an EP.

Doesn't matter if Buffalo was trading Eichel to Boston, the point is Vegas was able to make it work.

And I do consider Stone at that level. Ottawa LOVED Brannstrom, Dorion said it himself that his availability made the deal an easy call for them. How do we know what Vancouver think of Boston's younger players and prospects?

Hertl is a bit older and a step below but once again they were able to get it done asset wise and cap wise.

The simple point being that if you are a team that desperately needs an elite forward in his prime, don't shoot your load on July 1st for older secondary pieces.

 

[PlayMakers]

True, teams have more, better, prospects than we do, but it doesn't mean they're willing to spend them.

Carlo, Poitras, 1st for Petterson.

Would that not be a strong offer? Could it be beat? Sure. Likely to be beat? I don't know.

In terms of cap space. The Bruins have been banking space all season. Nobody here or online knows the real number. Maybe Dom, because he tracks it, but I'd bet the Bruins have $3m in deadline money already banked. Add in another $2-3m for money to be banked between now and then they could have $5-6m in deadline space on deadline day. When they started the season, Puckpedia said we'd have $6.8m in deadline space based on that original roster. Call ups and downs change all that but the point is, it was/is possible. We'd be sending out $4.1m for Carlo, $2.3 to move out Frederic in another deal and we're in the neighborhood. That's around $6.4m out and $5-6m in banked space. That ought to do it.

We'd have a gaping hole at 2RD. Maybe they get a vet making $1m in the Frederic deal to be a stop gap until the off-season when they can go shopping for a replacement.

 

[Hookslide]

Just to break it down more. God I f***ing miss capfriendly.

D and G are pretty straight forward. Lorhei doesn't have arbitration rights so there is a short bridge chance there if needed. And the other D is going to be #7D contract.

The forward group has a chance to be blown the f*** up.

Before any trade you have 29m dedicated to Pasta, E Lindholm, Zacha and Coyle.

Poitras and Lysell each at ~870k.

Beecher is RFA with has no arbitration rights. Kastelic and Geekie both do have arbitration rights. Kastelic doesn't have a lot of arbitration friendly numbers. Geekie can make a case for a raise. Let’s say 5.5m for those three.

You figure the 12th and 13th forwards will be from Jones, Viel, Duran, Kuntar, etc, along with some vet minimum types. Lets give those two spots each a 950k cost.

Let's say Marchand gets a 1 year 3 million dollar deal with 3 million in bonuses that can toll over. The bonuses don't have to toll over if the Bruins don't use the space.

Frederic, Koepke, Brazeau as UFAs expected to not be back for these purposes.

Geekie Zacha Pasta
Marchand Lindholm Poitras
??? Coyle Lysell
Beecher Kastelic Cheap
Cheap

Zadorov McAvoy
Lindholm Carlo
Lorhei Peeke
Cheap

Swayman
Korpisalo


12/13 forwards: ~42m
6/7 defense: ~29.5m
2/2 goalies: 11.25m

The cap for next year should be between 92m and 97m with Lorhei and a forward to sign. Leaves a pretty big spread of having 9m to 14m. They could also decide to go longer term with Geekie or Lorhei or Kastelic which would eat into the space more.

So yeah, you might be right that you need to send out a massive contract. Or not. Hard to say right now without knowing what the cap is gonna be.

You are so right on Cap Friendly.

 

[The don godfather]

Yeah, they can ask. And why would they want Frederic?

I proposed fred for krebs both are trash . Hopefully a change of scenery will ignite them both.

 

[Hookslide]

You are so right on Cap Friendly.

Doesn't matter if Buffalo was trading Eichel to Boston, the point is Vegas was able to make it work.

And I do consider Stone at that level. Ottawa LOVED Brannstrom, Dorion said it himself that his availability made the deal an easy call for them. How do we know what Vancouver think of Boston's younger players and prospects?

Hertl is a bit older and a step below but once again they were able to get it done asset wise and cap wise.

The simple point being that if you are a team that desperately needs an elite forward in his prime, don't shoot your load on July 1st for older secondary pieces.

Dust, tell if I am reading you wrong, but I think what you are saying is Vegas, GM, is better than our GM.

 

[22Brad Park]

Doesn't matter if he's rumoured to be available or not. And you don't need to leave a full 10 million in cap space. But the Bruins are so close against the cap they can't even get in on the conversation for this player and have very little wiggle room to create cap space.

Goes back to what I said this summer. If you wanted to signed Lindholm, trade Coyle coming off his 60 pt. season. Now you have some space to work with. Bruins desperately needed an elite forward in his prime, not a couple of two-way forwards in their early 30s.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

True, teams have more, better, prospects than we do, but it doesn't mean they're willing to spend them.

Carlo, Poitras, 1st for Petterson.

Would that not be a strong offer? Could it be beat? Sure. Likely to be beat? I don't know.

In terms of cap space. The Bruins have been banking space all season. Nobody here or online knows the real number. Maybe Dom, because he tracks it, but I'd bet the Bruins have $3m in deadline money already banked. Add in another $2-3m for money to be banked between now and then they could have $5-6m in deadline space on deadline day. When they started the season, Puckpedia said we'd have $6.8m in deadline space based on that original roster. Call ups and downs change all that but the point is, it was/is possible. We'd be sending out $4.1m for Carlo, $2.3 to move out Frederic in another deal and we're in the neighborhood. That's around $6.4m out and $5-6m in banked space. That ought to do it.

We'd have a gaping hole at 2RD. Maybe they get a vet making $1m in the Frederic deal to be a stop gap until the off-season when they can go shopping for a replacement.

Listen I know we’re not getting Pettersson. The Canucks won’t likely even deal him. And even if they did, I feel other teams in better position to nab him.

But god damn. He’s a guy that would set the Bruins up for a while. The core of Pettersson, McAvoy, Swayman, and Pastrnak should rival most in the league in having stars at all key levels of the team. Playmaking 2-way C, sniper, all-around #1D, franchise goaltender.

I know some will the need to be snarky about how I’ve classified each of these pieces, but I’m confident I’ve got that right, three dozen games aside.

It would take a LOT for me to be disappointed in the assets taken to acquire Pettersson.

 

[Trizz617]

No first round picks given for any Ufa's, please. This feels more like a retool year than last year.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Listen I know we’re not getting Pettersson. The Canucks won’t likely even deal him. And even if they did, I feel other teams in better position to nab him.

But god damn. He’s a guy that would set the Bruins up for a while. The core of Pettersson, McAvoy, Swayman, and Pastrnak should rival most in the league in having stars at all key levels of the team. Playmaking 2-way C, sniper, all-around #1D, franchise goaltender.

I know some will the need to be snarky about how I’ve classified each of these pieces, but I’m confident I’ve got that right, three dozen games aside.

It would take a LOT for me to be disappointed in the assets taken to acquire Pettersson.

It probably would start with three firsts, Poitras and Lohrei.

But the Canucks aren't retaining on his contract for that long. So you have to somehow get his whole number to fit. More of an issue this year - for next year and beyond you figure it out.

And as soon as Detroit puts ASP or Edvinsson on the table we're out. Or Utah puts Keller out. Or anything like that. It's just not a feasible match.

 

[wintersej]

It probably would start with three firsts, Poitras and Lohrei.

But the Canucks aren't retaining on his contract for that long. So you have to somehow get his whole number to fit. More of an issue this year - for next year and beyond you figure it out.

And as soon as Detroit puts ASP or Edvinsson on the table we're out. Or Utah puts Keller out. Or anything like that. It's just not a feasible match.

I don’t think Vancouver would be going for futures. That’s not Rutherford. I think they would be more interested in a top 4 RD and a 2C.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I don’t think Vancouver would be going for futures. That’s not Rutherford. I think they would be more interested in a top 4 RD and a 2C.

That could be true. But no way Carlo and Lindholm gets us in the conversation at all.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

It probably would start with three firsts, Poitras and Lohrei.

But the Canucks aren't retaining on his contract for that long. So you have to somehow get his whole number to fit. More of an issue this year - for next year and beyond you figure it out.

And as soon as Detroit puts ASP or Edvinsson on the table we're out. Or Utah puts Keller out. Or anything like that. It's just not a feasible match.

I want to start the post out by saying: I agree entirely that the Bruins are NOT a feasible match. No reality I can conjure ends up with Pettersson in Boston. I won’t make an argument to the contrary.

That said, I don’t think your trade offer is realistically what it would take and realistically what the Canucks would demand. (I also don’t think they’d trade Pettersson at all, mind you). If they DID move him, it’s not just for futures. They want to compete today and the motivation to move him would be to help with locker room dissent and get everyone rowing in the same direction. They’re not looking for a mini-rebuild.

So… something closer to:
a) a C to replace much of what Pettersson does
b) a mobile second-pair defenseman
c) a good future piece or two

Which not only keeps them in the race, but with Pettersson’s cap hit, would expand the market of teams able to swing a deal.

 

[Fenian24]

I don’t think Vancouver would be going for futures. That’s not Rutherford. I think they would be more interested in a top 4 RD and a 2C.

Coyle and Carlo + for Petterson. According to Sweeney and his followers Coyle is a number 2 center so there is the deal.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I don’t think Vancouver would be going for futures. That’s not Rutherford. I think they would be more interested in a top 4 RD and a 2C.

It appears we had similar thoughts

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I want to start the post out by saying: I agree entirely that the Bruins are NOT a feasible match. No reality I can conjure ends up with Pettersson in Boston. I won’t make an argument to the contrary.

That said, I don’t think your trade offer is realistically what it would take and realistically what the Canucks would demand. (I also don’t think they’d trade Pettersson at all, mind you). If they DID move him, it’s not just for futures. They want to compete today and the motivation to move him would be to help with locker room dissent and get everyone rowing in the same direction. They’re not looking for a mini-rebuild.

So… something closer to:
a) a C to replace much of what Pettersson does
b) a mobile second-pair defenseman
c) a good future piece or two

Which not only keeps them in the race, but with Pettersson’s cap hit, would expand the market of teams able to swing a deal.

I'm all for hoping other GMs make horrible mistakes but Rutherford isn't Mike Grier and Chuck Fletcher doesn't have a job. Rutherford won't trade EP for a couple of nickels. There are 100 other trades out there that start with two better pieces than that for a top tier Franchise center.

 

[BamBamCam]

I want to start the post out by saying: I agree entirely that the Bruins are NOT a feasible match. No reality I can conjure ends up with Pettersson in Boston. I won’t make an argument to the contrary.

That said, I don’t think your trade offer is realistically what it would take and realistically what the Canucks would demand. (I also don’t think they’d trade Pettersson at all, mind you). If they DID move him, it’s not just for futures. They want to compete today and the motivation to move him would be to help with locker room dissent and get everyone rowing in the same direction. They’re not looking for a mini-rebuild.

So… something closer to:
a) a C to replace much of what Pettersson does
b) a mobile second-pair defenseman
c) a good future piece or two

Which not only keeps them in the race, but with Pettersson’s cap hit, would expand the market of teams able to swing a deal.

A Rumor I read was at last years deadline before he sign his extension was:
Necas
Pesce
Draft Picks
So you are very close to market value.

 

[NDiesel]

That could be true. But no way Carlo and Lindholm gets us in the conversation at all.

Carlo could be the perfect d partner for Hughes, but I agree that we get outbid by many teams

 

[wintersej]

That could be true. But no way Carlo and Lindholm gets us in the conversation at all.

I don't think Boston would be a legit contender, but I do think that Carlo + Zacha/Lindholm + pick is in the conversation.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I don't think Boston would be a legit contender, but I do think that Carlo + Zacha/Lindholm + pick is in the conversation.

I mean you ask Lindholm to go back to the place he left to come to you, it's pretty shitty and causes some issues. Plus he has a full NMC anyway - unless he actually secretly loved it there except he was on Team Miller, you're probably not making that happen.

Even then, I really don't think that's in the conversation for a Franchise center.

 

[Hookslide]

It probably would start with three firsts, Poitras and Lohrei.

But the Canucks aren't retaining on his contract for that long. So you have to somehow get his whole number to fit. More of an issue this year - for next year and beyond you figure it out.

And as soon as Detroit puts ASP or Edvinsson on the table we're out. Or Utah puts Keller out. Or anything like that. It's just not a feasible match.

Why would Utah move Keller?

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Why would Utah move Keller?

To get Pettersson?

 

[Hookslide]

To get Pettersson?

they are both young, but Keller is signed and cheaper, and from all the chatter out there and I am not pinning it all on Petterson, but I think less drama.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

they are both young, but Keller is signed and cheaper, and from all the chatter out there and I am not pinning it all on Petterson, but I think less drama.

Well it was an example, but Utah would have to add to Keller to get EP.