Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread VII

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RALEIGH, N.C. — When the battles were over Thursday night, the battle cries were the same: Time to stick together.
On the heels of an 8-2 shellacking at the hands of the Hurricanes, the Bruins locker room at the newly renamed Lenovo Center was quiet. Confidence, however, still hung in the air.
Confidence that the recent skid the team has been on — dropping five of six games — can be halted with work. Teamwork, to be exact.
“Well, we’re going to get out of it together. That’s the only way,” said David Pastrnak, who assisted on both Boston goals. “Again, tightening up as a group together and finding a way to win games against the good teams.
“And that’s how sometimes you get to know each other, know what to expect, and we just need to get on a winning streak and compete. Compete level needs to be way higher. Details. That’s going to get us out of there.”

They couldn’t match up with Carolina and were forced into illegalities — three high sticking and two interference penalties — to try to staunch the bleeding. That almost always backfires, and it did against Rod Brind’Amour’s club, which scored three demoralizing power-play goals.

As of Friday, the Bruins led the NHL with 134 penalty minutes.

“Definitely move our feet,” said Pastrnak, when asked how the Bruins can stay out of the penalty box. “There’s a lot of stick penalties, high sticking, so that’s one. But honestly, this game, we just weren’t good enough five-on-five at all. They were all over us and we’ve got to be better.”

When a team is forced to spend an exorbitant amount of time killing penalties, it can’t establish a flow, and in the Bruins’ case, it has their most creative offensive player — Pastrnak — spending too much time watching and not enough time skating.

The Bruins, perennially among the league’s elite penalty-killing teams, are squashing opponents on the man-advantage at just a 76 percent clip.

Coach Jim Montgomery gave his lines a complete makeover for the Carolina game, but because of special teams situations, none of them was able to form chemistry or generate chances.

Tinkering with lines is usually done to generate a spark. It also can have the opposite effect, though Bruins players dismissed the notion that the juggling has hurt their confidence.

“I mean, Monty [is] just starting to get us going, so obviously it didn’t work,” said Pastrnak. “So, the mixing lines needs to happen. So personally, I have no problem with it. I can read off anybody.

“It’s just like I said, right now, it’s not about a combination. We are not good enough as a team, and that’s where it starts.”

Trent Frederic concurred.

“I think we’re used to it,” he said. “I think that’s kind of something they’ve done for whatever this is three years now with Monty. I don’t think it’s anything too crazy. I don’t think that’s the reason or anything like that. I think it just comes down to individuals and playing as a team.”

Under Montgomery, the Bruins got off to excellent starts the last two seasons, so this uninspired beginning is uncharted territory.

Montgomery said it’s not a case of guys just waiting for the magic to happen.

“I look at it a little differently,” he said. “We had a lot of success the last two years and we’re first place in the league at Thanksgiving the last two years. We never achieved anything we wanted to do.

“Right now, we’re not happy. Nobody’s happy with what’s going on, but we will get out of it, and we will be better, and hopefully it creates a better result come playoff time.”

Pastrnak preached patience as well

“It’s definitely something new,” he said. “Usually we have good starts, but honestly, it’s very early. So, it’s good.

“We need to get together, tighten up, learn, and the only way we’re going to get out of there is together and to compete. So, we have two games in two days. That’s a perfect way to get back on the winning track.”
 

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Lindholm has been the biggest disappointment for me so far . I never notice him playing half the time . Hes invisible.
He was the same way with Vancouver after they traded for him and they were trying to move him at the TDL, he did however play well in the playoffs. I think he is a little over paid and is more a #2 center. They need a real #1 C someone like MacKinnon, Eichel, Barkov, Aho etc. To get a #1C, they would need to move someone like Swayman or McAvoy or Pastrnak. E.Lindholm though may get you a top 6 winger?
 
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Zacha 10 team NTC
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Too many players with comfort. These guys are playing for a check and know that even when they are bad they have the comfort of a controlled contract to fall back on.

This is why the coach will be the sacrificial lamb. It’s the easiest to pull off. This weekend I think could spell the end of his tenure if they lose both. One win will extend him for a bit
 
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He was the same way with Vancouver after they traded for him and they were trying to move him at the TDL, he did however play well in the playoffs. I think he is a little over paid and is more a #2 center. They need a real #1 C someone like MacKinnon, Eichel, Barkov, Aho etc. To get a #1C, they would need to move someone like Swayman or McAvoy or Pastrnak. E.Lindholm though may get you a top 6 winger?
Now you are stuck with this guy for 7 years, just an awful signing. They would have been better off showing patience and signing a wing that can put the puck in the net, at Lindholms price you might have been able to sign another wing. Then when a top line center came along go for it.
 

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Lindholm has been the biggest disappointment for me so far . I never notice him playing half the time . Hes invisible.

E. Lindholm hasn't clicked well with his linemates yet but I do think his overall game is solid. He's sneakily one of the more physical guys they have - he's caught more than a few guys with surprisingly hard body checks. I didn't know he had that in him.
 

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Now you are stuck with this guy for 7 years, just an awful signing. They would have been better off showing patience and signing a wing that can put the puck in the net, at Lindholms price you might have been able to sign another wing. Then when a top line center came along go for it.
Nah at worst he's a Coyle upgrade.

We just need to get rid of Coyle. Thank him for a few good years and let him cash his checks and mail it in elsewhere.
 
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Thoughts on Coyle for Bertuzzi?

We know Bert can play with Pasta so we get a 1st line again. I love Bertuzzi's compete level in the playoffs the last 2 years. Similar money, but Bert is signed for 4 years vs Coyle's 2.

Nick Foligno is currently Chicago's 2nd line center so they get an upgrade at C and they can reunite Hall and Coyle who also have chemistry. Heck, they can ice Hall-Coyle-Smith which was a good line for us a few years ago.

(Fwiw, I'm not a Coyle hater, just trying to figure out a deal we could afford that would move the needle.)
 

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Thoughts on Coyle for Bertuzzi?

We know Bert can play with Pasta so we get a 1st line again. I love Bertuzzi's compete level in the playoffs the last 2 years. Similar money, but Bert is signed for 4 years vs Coyle's 2.

Nick Foligno is currently Chicago's 2nd line center so they get an upgrade at C and they can reunite Hall and Coyle who also have chemistry. Heck, they can ice Hall-Coyle-Smith which was a good line for us a few years ago.
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I keep looking at the roster / lineup and keep wondering - who on this team other than Pastrnak is capable of scoring a goal more often than once every 5 games if that?
Who is going to step up?
It doesn't look good.
 
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Thoughts on Coyle for Bertuzzi?

We know Bert can play with Pasta so we get a 1st line again. I love Bertuzzi's compete level in the playoffs the last 2 years. Similar money, but Bert is signed for 4 years vs Coyle's 2.

Nick Foligno is currently Chicago's 2nd line center so they get an upgrade at C and they can reunite Hall and Coyle who also have chemistry. Heck, they can ice Hall-Coyle-Smith which was a good line for us a few years ago.

(Fwiw, I'm not a Coyle hater, just trying to figure out a deal we could afford that would move the needle.)
If I'm Chicago, I'm interested in that deal. Who slots in at Center for us?

To be honest though, if I'm making a trade for forward help, I'd be looking at moving one of our defensemen, not creating a hole to fill a hole at forward. I think Lohrei, McAvoy, Lindholm and Carlo all have value. I get that most are gonna be tough to move due to contract restrictions, but that's the one area where I think we have some depth and some trade value.

....I'm not a Coyle hater either, btw.
 
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Thoughts on Coyle for Bertuzzi?

We know Bert can play with Pasta so we get a 1st line again. I love Bertuzzi's compete level in the playoffs the last 2 years. Similar money, but Bert is signed for 4 years vs Coyle's 2.

Nick Foligno is currently Chicago's 2nd line center so they get an upgrade at C and they can reunite Hall and Coyle who also have chemistry. Heck, they can ice Hall-Coyle-Smith which was a good line for us a few years ago.

(Fwiw, I'm not a Coyle hater, just trying to figure out a deal we could afford that would move the needle.)
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If I'm Chicago, I'm interested in that deal. Who slots in at Center for us?

To be honest though, if I'm making a trade for forward help, I'd be looking at moving one of our defensemen, not creating a hole to fill a hole at forward. I think Lohrei, McAvoy, Lindholm and Carlo all have value. I get that most are gonna be tough to move due to contract restrictions, but that's the one area where I think we have some depth and some trade value.

....I'm not a Coyle hater either, btw.
Lindholm, Zacha, Poitras, Kastelic... Frederic and Geekie can both play C, wouldn't be afraid of moving Kastelic to 3c either (and Beecher to 4c).

They do have numbers on D. Every time Wotherspoon plays he looks like he should be an every day player. I'd be nervous about creating a hole there too though. Lohrei, Wotherspoon and Peeke are all probably best suited to 3rd pair right now... So if you take out a top4 guy (let's say Carlo) you're going to create a top4 hole.

Maybe you could flip Lohrei for a forward of similar age and upside and not lose anything defensively. High risk move, and probably hard to find a forward who's similarly promising that another team would be willing to move, but if you could that might make sense since the left side of the top4 is locked up for years and have NMC's.
 

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Thoughts on Coyle for Bertuzzi?

We know Bert can play with Pasta so we get a 1st line again. I love Bertuzzi's compete level in the playoffs the last 2 years. Similar money, but Bert is signed for 4 years vs Coyle's 2.

Nick Foligno is currently Chicago's 2nd line center so they get an upgrade at C and they can reunite Hall and Coyle who also have chemistry. Heck, they can ice Hall-Coyle-Smith which was a good line for us a few years ago.

(Fwiw, I'm not a Coyle hater, just trying to figure out a deal we could afford that would move the needle.)

Not with the current version of Pasta.

At this point whoever he plays with looks useless.
 

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Boston Globe:

Still no move on TJ​

Veteran forward Tyler Johnson, whose toolkit could be a huge asset to the struggling Bruins right now, was not on this road trip. Signed to a PTO prior to the start of varsity camp Sept. 18, the two-time Cup winner remains a man without a country.

Prior to puck drop, Montgomery said he had not talked to Johnson recently when asked if the ex-Lightning standout was growing “antsy.”

“I’m sure he is,” added Montgomery. “Human nature is that he wants to get in, but that’s not happened yet.”

Johnson, like all players who sign PTOs, remains an unrestricted free agent, making him eligible to sign with any of the league’s other 31 teams if he has not come to a contract agreement with the Bruins.

Per puckpedia.com, the Bruins began the day with slightly more than $1.25 million in available cap space. That should be enough to sign Johnson to a one-year pact.

The tangential issue could be varsity roster slots and the potential that the Bruins would have to demote someone to AHL Providence in order to add Johnson to the mix.
 
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Thoughts on Coyle for Bertuzzi?

We know Bert can play with Pasta so we get a 1st line again. I love Bertuzzi's compete level in the playoffs the last 2 years. Similar money, but Bert is signed for 4 years vs Coyle's 2.

Nick Foligno is currently Chicago's 2nd line center so they get an upgrade at C and they can reunite Hall and Coyle who also have chemistry. Heck, they can ice Hall-Coyle-Smith which was a good line for us a few years ago.

(Fwiw, I'm not a Coyle hater, just trying to figure out a deal we could afford that would move the needle.)
He isn't coming back! Not now, not ever! Move on!
 

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He was the same way with Vancouver after they traded for him and they were trying to move him at the TDL, he did however play well in the playoffs. I think he is a little over paid and is more a #2 center. They need a real #1 C someone like MacKinnon, Eichel, Barkov, Aho etc. To get a #1C, they would need to move someone like Swayman or McAvoy or Pastrnak. E.Lindholm though may get you a top 6 winger?
Trevor Zegras is making more sense to me everyday. Let's be realistic, they aren't trading Sway, Mac or Pasta any time soon and those real #1 centers aren't available. They need just need a young #1C to support that group and then the foundational core pieces are there.

Pastrnak needs a playmaking center and Lindholm needs to be the 2C with Marchand.

Zegras' value is at an all time low but I think they need to take the risk. The 1st, Lysell and Geekie should all be on the table.

Zacha Zegras Pastrnak
Marchand Lindholm Poitras
Frederic Coyle Brazeau
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Trevor Zegras is making more sense to me everyday. Let's be realistic, they aren't trading Sway, Mac or Pasta any time soon and those real #1 centers aren't available. They need just need a young #1C to support that group and then the foundational core pieces are there.

Pastrnak needs a playmaking center and Lindholm needs to be the 2C with Marchand.

Zegras' value is at an all time low but I think they need to take the risk. The 1st, Lysell and Geekie should all be on the table.

Zacha Zegras Pastrnak
Marchand Lindholm Poitras
Frederic Coyle Brazeau
4th
Sorry this isn't PlayStation you're not going to get zagres for one pic and 2 terrible players
 
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Sorry this isn't PlayStation you're not going to get zagres for one pic and 2 terrible players
What has Zegres accomplished that makes you think it will take more?

I will agree its not playstation because he's better on that than he is as a real NHLplayer, no?
 

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Sorry this isn't PlayStation you're not going to get zagres for one pic and 2 terrible players
You might if they are serious about moving him.

Zegras isn’t getting it done. He is the softest player in the nhl for sure. His trade value is very low at this point I’m sure.
 
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Trevor Zegras is making more sense to me everyday. Let's be realistic, they aren't trading Sway, Mac or Pasta any time soon and those real #1 centers aren't available. They need just need a young #1C to support that group and then the foundational core pieces are there.

Pastrnak needs a playmaking center and Lindholm needs to be the 2C with Marchand.

Zegras' value is at an all time low but I think they need to take the risk. The 1st, Lysell and Geekie should all be on the table.

Zacha Zegras Pastrnak
Marchand Lindholm Poitras
Frederic Coyle Brazeau
4th

IMO, Zegras isn't worth it. 18 points in his last 41 games, 40 percent career at the faceoff dot and dropping so badly, they don't even have him taking draws regularly anymore. Non existent physical game will see him burned alive here. Maybe a change of scenery is what he needs but I don't think he's going to find that here in Boston, especially at his cap hit. Lindholm isn't going anywhere after signing that big deal and I think the plan is for Poitras to become the 2nd line center in the near future.
 
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Trevor Zegras is making more sense to me everyday. Let's be realistic, they aren't trading Sway, Mac or Pasta any time soon and those real #1 centers aren't available. They need just need a young #1C to support that group and then the foundational core pieces are there.

Pastrnak needs a playmaking center and Lindholm needs to be the 2C with Marchand.

Zegras' value is at an all time low but I think they need to take the risk. The 1st, Lysell and Geekie should all be on the table.

Zacha Zegras Pastrnak
Marchand Lindholm Poitras
Frederic Coyle Brazeau
4th
I may take a chance on Zegras, but salary has to go back and I would not trade any top picks right now if I were Sweeney.
 
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Bruins have no potential #1 dman in the system if McAvoy is traded. While McAvoy has had his issues ( TBH, last year was inconsistent too ), he would leave a massive hole behind with nobody to fill those shoes. I think the right play to make is let McAvoy work thru his issues - sometimes, good players have down year(s) before they revert back to the player they were. I think it's very premature to start talking about trading McAvoy.
I was just asking if the posters what they thought about moving him, I have not said he should be moved, but he is not playing well at all, and does not belong on the PP. what has happened to him is a mystery, many thought he was overpaid with that contract, I might have agreed it would be nice if he came in a little less, but to be honest it was not a big issue. with me. His play right now though is concerning.
 
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