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Armourboy said:
Only way to stop legal hits from causing injuries is to remove hitting. When you have the variances the NHL does in height, weight, and strength someone is always going to get injured.

Frankly I put Carrier's injury on his teammates. They poked the bear, don't complain when he wakes up.
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Yeah I don’t really agree with this. It’s not a perfect analogy- tackling is a different thing than hockey hitting- but the NFL/college football cracked down on targeting and it turns out it’s really difficult to blow people up while avoiding head contact, so you just see way fewer of those types of hits now. Sure it changed the game to some degree, it’s harder to break up passes for example when you can’t just lay a guy out, but the league is still doing just fine. IIHF has way less tolerance for blowing people up and is still a good product IMO.

Honestly you could just change the rule from “principal point of contact” to “head contact” like many leagues do and take care of plenty of it. It’s not about getting rid of all injuries, of course that’s never gonna happen. Nor is it about banning all physical play. Just that I don’t think the thrill or whatever of seeing Tom Wilson destroy someone (while still hitting him in the head btw) is really worth potentially maiming people.
 
wmupreds said:
Yeah I don’t really agree with this. It’s not a perfect analogy- tackling is a different thing than hockey hitting- but the NFL/college football cracked down on targeting and it turns out it’s really difficult to blow people up while avoiding head contact, so you just see way fewer of those types of hits now. Sure it changed the game to some degree, it’s harder to break up passes for example when you can’t just lay a guy out, but the league is still doing just fine. IIHF has way less tolerance for blowing people up and is still a good product IMO.

Honestly you could just change the rule from “principal point of contact” to “head contact” like many leagues do and take care of plenty of it. It’s not about getting rid of all injuries, of course that’s never gonna happen. Nor is it about banning all physical play. Just that I don’t think the thrill or whatever of seeing Tom Wilson destroy someone (while still hitting him in the head btw) is really worth potentially maiming people.
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Oh I'd disagree, I can't stand to watch football much anymore because of it. Anytime there is a decent play made there is some freaking penalty called. You gotta protect players, but you gotta also understand you are playing a contact sport and sometimes things happen.

What you want to stop is the guys going for the head on purpose, especially the hits they knew were going to cause injuries, and the ones that are just done with no thought for the status of the other player. They've already pretty much done that for the most part. I can't remember that last time I saw a guy get hammered like you used to see Scott Stevens do all the time.
 
wmupreds said:
On a different note, I think that Wilson hit is exactly the type the NHL should be trying to phase out of the game. Probably won’t be a popular take, and I know that by the book it was probably a legal hit, but Carrier is probably concussed and that type of injury is extremely likely to come from a hit like that on that area of the ice. Just knowing what we now know, I’m not much of a fan of blowing guys up for the sake of it. It led to a goal, yes, but you don’t have to hammer a guy like that to separate them from the puck.
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Yeah it's a balance between an entertainment product and long term health concerns of the performers. I love big hits, but the brutal consequences saddens me at the same time.
 
Kat Predator said:
One move that never happened was the all-in signing of Taylor Hall. Poile dodged a few bullets back in his day.
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Taylor Hall is such a weird case. From a #1OA and Hart Trophy winner to Craig Smith clone... there aren't ever many guys like that in the history of the league. Aside from maybe Jose Theodore, who are the non-HHOF Hart winners? It just doesn't happen often. :dunno:
 
Porter Stoutheart said:
Taylor Hall is such a weird case. From a #1OA and Hart Trophy winner to Craig Smith clone... there aren't ever many guys like that in the history of the league. Aside from maybe Jose Theodore, who are the non-HHOF Hart winners? It just doesn't happen often. :dunno:
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Theodore, Price, and Perry. All the other active players since Hall won it also seem likely to get in. Price also will likely get in.
 
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Bringer of Jollity said:
Theodore, Price, and Perry. All the other active players since Hall won it also seem likely to get in. Price also will likely get in.
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TBH, I kind of thought Perry's career numbers might be better than they are. Still, if Price is considered a possibility to get in, so might Perry, even without 1,000 pts. :dunno:

Hall and Theodore are bigger outliers I guess. :dunno:
 
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Porter Stoutheart said:
TBH, I kind of thought Perry's career numbers might be better than they are. Still, if Price is considered a possibility to get in, so might Perry, even without 1,000 pts. :dunno:

Hall and Theodore are bigger outliers I guess. :dunno:
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Perry is a weird player in that his longevity really hurts his HoF case. Him willingly embracing a bottom 6 role for so many years torpedoed his PPG stats. I'm don't think his numbers just with the Ducks were enough anyway, but (similar to Price) having a Hart, Richard, several gold medals, and (unlike Price) a Cup might have done it.
 
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Bringer of Jollity said:
Perry is a weird player in that his longevity really hurts his HoF case. Him willingly embracing a bottom 6 role for so many years torpedoed his PPG stats. I'm don't think his numbers just with the Ducks were enough anyway, but (similar to Price) having a Hart, Richard, several gold medals, and (unlike Price) a Cup might have done it.
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Yeah he is definitely a weird case. I think to be a Hall of Famer you either need to have a significantly better peak than he did or remain a top line player into your late 30s. I think it's impressive Perry was able to reinvent his game to be a contributor on many teams making runs to the Finals later in his career, but I'd probably put him in the hall of very good personally.
 
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Very nice to see the new Parssinen contract for the Rangers.

He got bounced around IMO a little unfairly here, then in both Colorado and New York? At a certain point, ok, you have to acknowledge the player is actually not panning out. But I still think there is runway with him, he shields the puck and sees the ice well, I think he's a potentially solid middle-6 center in this league, I do hope his new coach can see that and deploy him in situations which allow him to shine. It still might not happen (esp. if Mike Sullivan is the new NYR coach). But at least he has a nice contract that will enable him to pursue that. :thumbu:
 
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NoNecksCurse said:
GWG scored by the guy we bought out. I love it here.
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Although, Duchene has 1g-5a in 14gp now. Along with a stinky -11. I'm not sure how he's sticking at center on that team, but he's definitely not playing well in these playoffs.

PredsV82 said:
Holy shit Granlund could end up winning the Conn Smythe if Dallas wins the Cup. Not bad for a guy everyone assumed was washed up two years ago
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Rantanen has 20 pts.... Granlund has 9. So yeah, no Conn Smythe on the horizon for Granny, sorry.
 
Porter Stoutheart said:
Although, Duchene has 1g-5a in 14gp now. Along with a stinky -11. I'm not sure how he's sticking at center on that team, but he's definitely not playing well in these playoffs.


Rantanen has 20 pts.... Granlund has 9. So yeah, no Conn Smythe on the horizon for Granny, sorry.
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He isn't a guy who excels in the playoffs, ever. I still enjoyed seeing it. Granlund had been the same, but he is really starting to have an impact.
 
NoNecksCurse said:
He isn't a guy who excels in the playoffs, ever. I still enjoyed seeing it. Granlund had been the same, but he is really starting to have an impact.
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Granlund is tenacious, so I'm not surprised he's a net positive asset on a playoff team. I never disliked him as a player... just disliked the way Hynes treated him like his own son and over-utilized him. He's a solid hard-working middle-six asset, for sure. Just not a 20+ minute a night star player.

As for Duchene... uh, no comment. ;) I don't think a buyout was smart, particularly with the way the loadings played out, but he's definitely not a player I would ever put any faith in, and I think these playoffs are more evidence of that. Stars are winning a lot more "despite Duchene" as opposed to "thanks to Duchene". That his 1st goal in the playoffs happened to be tagged as a GWG in a game they won by 3 goals is mere coincidence. It will be interesting to see if he's willing to keep taking the hometown discounts to stay in Dallas, or if he gets paid what the market might bring him on July 1st.
 
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